Fwd: Time to regroup and move on. (fwd)

Daniel Robitaille robitaille at gmail.com
Wed May 25 16:41:44 UTC 2005

It seems some people have problem sending messages to the mailing list
with messages sometimes bounce back.  Here is a message from Ryan
intended to the list:

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 12:17:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ryan Thiessen <ryan at ryanthiessen.com>
To: Ubuntu Canada <ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com>
Subject: Re: Time to regroup and move on.

On Wed, 25 May 2005, Daniel Robitaille wrote:

> 1)  mailing list (http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ca)
>  Obviously it is working :)  Who has administrative access to it? And out of
> curisity, how many users do we have?

Alex is the administrator of that list.  At one time I asked him for the
ability to help manage the list, he agreed to this but I do not currently have
the access to the subscriber list.

> 2) IRC channel (#ubuntu-ca)
>  Also working; but awfully quiet most of the time I'm on it (but I tend to be
> on it late evenings west coast time). Who is channel op? It's nice to see the
> logger is running (http://threeducks.net/ubuntu-ca-log/). Who is doing that?

I registered the channel, and set myself, alex, and Corey as channel ops. This
can be altered pretty easily by either of us and was set arbitrarily. We don't
have much of a need for channel ops on such a small channel, I hoped that
between the three of us we'd have some sort of permanent ability to maintain

To answer the other question, the logger was set up after a request from Alex,
which I run off my server, full source code (modified from the example
python-twisted irc log bot) provided on the site you linked to.

> 3) Contact person.
>  We need one, period.  This is the person that represent us to the Ubuntu
> world, and on the other side, the person the "world" talk to. Important
> point: it is NOT a leader job; it is just the contact person to make sure
> information flow in and out between the LoCo team and the rest of the Ubuntu
> community.
> Right now we have a voting page, with one person on it (Alex):
> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CanadianLocoContactVote
> Alex?  Do you still want the job?  Anyone else wants to throw their
> hat in the ring?

As you've said before, we have some high profile members of the Ubuntu
community on this list.  I suggest that Corey or Daniel take on this role as
they have a very stable presence in the wider Ubuntu community.  I don't think
this needs to be a politicized process, if one of you would like to wear this
hat I suggest we just act on it with no voting or debate.

> 4) Leader.  Do we want one?  Do we need one? Personally I don't think we need
> that job, but that's only my personal opinion. A community leadership for a
> group like this one is not a function of a specific leader, but is very much
> a function of various individuals putting the effort into the portions of the
> community and getting things done. It should pretty clear to anyone what
> needs to be done.  It's not rocket science here, but only a Canadian LoCo
> team. But maybe people feel more confortable with a "leader", who may or may
> not be the same person than our contact person.

I concur, I don't think we need a person designated as leader and think that
would just lead to more conflict.  Obviously we have several people interested
in the ongoing nature of Ubuntu Canada -- shown by the fact that you and Andrew
have kickstarted discussions when they went stale. What we need is for people
to understand who is responsible for what and act accordingly.  This email is a
step in the right direction.

On Wed, 25 May 2005, Andrew VanSpronsen wrote:

> I am partial to the ubuntu/ca site. I would like to see ubuntu-org redirect
> to ubuntu.ca <http://ubuntu.ca> to unify the presence. There is a cost to
> the current hosting situation with ubuntu.ca <http://ubuntu.ca>; however, I
> would like to followup with a note on the
> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamProcess page that talks about having a
> linode setup. This would give us the flexibility we need to run what we  want
> and sounds like it might be free? maybe once we have the conatct sorted out
> they could followup? It would also give us the added clout of running on a
> ubuntu platform.

I don't think we need to spend money out of pocket on this.  For one, I already
have a linode with spare capacity running Ubuntu Hoary right now, and of course
Mathias has offered us free hosting as well (even though it is uncertain who
can currently access it).  If the long term goal is for Ubuntu LoCo groups to
be hosted on a Xen virtual server at Linode, we should work with that in mind.
In the interim we can work on getting either ubuntu.ca or ubuntu-ca.org up to
speed, I am not partial to either but I am currently contributing to ubuntu.ca
as that is the server I have access to.

In the end I agree fully with Daniel, we should only have one website and all
work together on it.  Eventually once everything is merged I would like to see
ubuntu.ca abandoned or point at the more official and permanent ubuntu-ca.org.
That should not be taken as a sign that I am unappreciative of the efforts by
the people who set up ubuntu.ca -- instead I thank the people involved for
keeping things moving when they are stalled.

-Ryan Thiessen-

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