From es20490446e at gmail.com Thu Jun 1 01:28:26 2017 From: es20490446e at gmail.com (Alberto Salvia Novella) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 03:28:26 +0200 Subject: [Ubuntu-bugcontrol] I have written a draft for the Reporting Bugs guide In-Reply-To: References: <839c46e1-eacc-0ac0-ef2b-120892e21c22@gmail.com> <20170426220133.076326b9.hggdh2@ubuntu.com> <67265f65-fb0a-8ba3-098e-5d1fdc58ba01@canonical.com> <5f36acf1-6514-a7fa-9a3e-b825b18f0dd0@gmail.com> <1814819d-3281-2a43-39db-a963452efdc6@gmail.com> <9e945776-da6c-87d9-a655-c582f7e0c393@gmx.co.uk> <20170511185505.GM4213@murraytwins.com> <20170511185506.21f8f0c3.hggdh2@ubuntu.com> <2c0fadcc-28a6-6337-127d-6cefc7118629@gmail.com> <22d3d29d-0e9a-833f-2d04-cd0df70fedd0@gmail.com> <20170528102715.21d70d49.hggdh2@ubuntu.com> <254cd8b0-22ce-8dd8-6a0b-46a671386354@gmail.com> Message-ID: <51ee9b35-858b-304e-9385-be63bbef1852@gmail.com> On one hand we have meritocracies, like GNOME, where some people have the final saying about what things are going to be. On the other we have democracies, like Debian, where all the decisions shall be agreed before taken on. The first one has the drawback of usually ignoring individual needs, and favoring some people's agendas over the others. The second one usually ends in long discussions, some clueless people included in brain surgery, and eventually in very little job done. What I'm proposing is that we take an hybrid approach. That we come and agree in what the output of the work should be, and what's important for everyone. But that we trust that the person in charge of that will come with a solution themselves. Once the work is done we can simply see if it fits the agreed output well enough to start with. And if it doesn't to correct it till it does. After that we can polish the small details with real world feedback. We can provide a link to ask to the Quality mailing list, and if someone seems to have recurring trouble with something in the manual, just correct it immediately. Have third opinions if you wish: - Steve Jobs, founder of Apple: (https://youtu.be/f60dheI4ARg) - Richard Branson, founder of Virgin: (https://youtu.be/VH35Iz9veM0?t=3m2s) - 37 Signals, creators of Ruby on Rails: (https://goo.gl/q5K1Iv) - Robert Kiyosaki, rich and author of the bestseller "Rich Dad Poor Dad" (https://youtu.be/xyY5YMV2woU) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 4747 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From noreply at ubuntu.com Thu Jun 1 01:51:08 2017 From: noreply at ubuntu.com (Ubuntu Wiki) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 01:51:08 -0000 Subject: =?utf-8?q?=5BUbuntu_Wiki=5D_Update_of_=22LibreOfficeBugWrangling=22_by_pe?= =?utf-8?q?nalvch?= Message-ID: <20170601015108.9073.85358@mangaba.canonical.com> Dear Wiki user, You have subscribed to a wiki page or wiki category on "Ubuntu Wiki" for change notification. The "LibreOfficeBugWrangling" page has been changed by penalvch: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibreOfficeBugWrangling?action=diff&rev1=33&rev2=34 Comment: 1) Due to LP#1641264 rm manual instructions as folks stop reading/ignore instructions and don't file crash reports. 2) Emphasize new report. * libreoffice-dbg * uno-libs3-dbg * ure-dbg - 1. Please file a crash report via the apport process. Instructions on this are available from [[https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport]]. + 1. Please file a new crash report via the apport process. Instructions on this are available from [[https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport]]. - 1. If this happened while a particular document was open or you were manipulating the document in a certain way, please attach that document to the bug report with detailed, click-for-click steps on how to reproduce the crash. + 1. If the crash happened while a particular document was open or you were manipulating the document in a certain way, please attach that document to the new bug report you created with detailed, click-for-click steps on how to reproduce the crash. 1. For suspected GUI/desktop environment driven crashes (ex. reproducible in Kubuntu but not Xubuntu), please remove the following packages and comment on if this changes anything: * libreoffice-gtk * libreoffice-gnome * libreoffice-gtk3 * libreoffice-kde - 1. Only if it is confirmed apport is enabled, but the crash isn't captured, please capture the crash manually following [[https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash]]. Once captured, please file a bug report manually via [[https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+filebug]]. == The Whole system hangs or boots to the login screen == From es20490446e at gmail.com Tue Jun 6 19:57:55 2017 From: es20490446e at gmail.com (Alberto Salvia Novella) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 21:57:55 +0200 Subject: I'm stopping contributing In-Reply-To: <130c84f2-0ace-a804-28e5-4f9aba958201@gmail.com> References: <487395465.2126936.1496645086071@mail.yahoo.com> <27de1551-5f38-dae3-f4aa-576191bdc451@gmail.com> <3e747de6-e595-e0f2-2819-ef97ae079035@ubuntu.com> <9da30811-390b-9733-4374-de4b0395f32d@gmail.com> <37e5f541-fe1a-49bd-3244-016c07c3268b@ubuntu.com> <130c84f2-0ace-a804-28e5-4f9aba958201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0b252bb4-85d0-9345-c376-3acce94747ee@gmail.com> Speaking about the Roman's king, I have just received this email from a familiar which I have installed Ubuntu: Cousin: > It gets worse every time, especially at start-up, it hangs and > needs to restart. Other mentions in the latests two months: Father: > It usually hangs at start-up, and mouse stops working from time to > time. Friend: > Ubuntu was no longer booting up. I needed it for my end of career > work, so you know what I did? Removed it and installed Windows 10. So it seems that all of these happens nearly all of the time: (https://askubuntu.com/questions/760934/graphics-issues-after-while-installing-ubuntu-16-04-16-10-with-nvidia-graphics) Root cause: nobody is reporting bugs and nobody is triaging them, as it's too hard to read the manuals. And people won't allow the needed change because of: (https://plus.google.com/+AlbertoSalviaNovella/posts/6fmD4E2vKfP) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 4747 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From hggdh2 at ubuntu.com Tue Jun 6 23:51:34 2017 From: hggdh2 at ubuntu.com (C de-Avillez) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 18:51:34 -0500 Subject: I'm stopping contributing In-Reply-To: <0b252bb4-85d0-9345-c376-3acce94747ee@gmail.com> References: <487395465.2126936.1496645086071@mail.yahoo.com> <27de1551-5f38-dae3-f4aa-576191bdc451@gmail.com> <3e747de6-e595-e0f2-2819-ef97ae079035@ubuntu.com> <9da30811-390b-9733-4374-de4b0395f32d@gmail.com> <37e5f541-fe1a-49bd-3244-016c07c3268b@ubuntu.com> <130c84f2-0ace-a804-28e5-4f9aba958201@gmail.com> <0b252bb4-85d0-9345-c376-3acce94747ee@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20170606185134.0534cde4.hggdh2@ubuntu.com> On Tue, 6 Jun 2017 21:57:55 +0200 Alberto Salvia Novella wrote: > Speaking about the Roman's king, I have just received this email from > a familiar which I have installed Ubuntu: > > Cousin: > > It gets worse every time, especially at start-up, it hangs and > > needs to restart. > > > Other mentions in the latests two months: > > Father: > > It usually hangs at start-up, and mouse stops working from time to > > time. > > Friend: > > Ubuntu was no longer booting up. I needed it for my end of career > > work, so you know what I did? Removed it and installed Windows > > 10. So would you open a bug with the following description: "it gets worse every time, specially at start-up, it hangs and needs to restart" What are we supposed to do with this bug? > So it seems that all of these happens nearly all of the time: > (https://askubuntu.com/questions/760934/graphics-issues-after-while-installing-ubuntu-16-04-16-10-with-nvidia-graphics) Ah. So these are all symptoms of a nVidia driver issue? I agree this is a bug. The problem -- specifically for nVidia -- is: who fixes it? It is closed source, so we cannot; or it depends (as what happened on 16.04 release) on a future kernel support, at the time to be coded, tested, and released (perhaps some of us would be able to code it in; I am not, though. I also do not know if this has been solved, I left nVida a long time ago because I was tired of their crappy coding and continuous bugs. I am pretty sure there are already many nVidia bugs recorded in LP, still open. I wonder what having more of them (supposing all new bugs are clearly set against nVidia, not against Ubuntu, or other wrong package) would help. > Root cause: nobody is reporting bugs and nobody is triaging them, as > it's too hard to read the manuals. Wrong root cause, but let's move on. So, by all means, let's re-write the Reporting Bugs wiki and related pages. But keep in mind my point, throughout this series of email threads: it does NOT help triagers and maintainers to have a LOT of badly-reported bugs. We need *good quality* bugs. [A good start on re-writing, perhaps, would be adding a list of high-impact bugs, that people can look at and add a "me too" if their bug fits). For whatever definition of "high-impact".] But what you proposed is not a good re-write, as far as I can see it. You proposed to simplify to such a point the reporting bugs could as well be written as "go to LP and write whatever you want". There. One single line (if you replace "LP" by the correct link). Which is BAD bug reporting, but so what? > And people won't allow the needed > change because of: > > (https://plus.google.com/+AlbertoSalviaNovella/posts/6fmD4E2vKfP) [Now I am completely lost. What does political correctness have to do with good reporting of bugs? Anyway.] For the record, "people won't allow the needed change" is wrong in a few points: * you have the power to re-write the wiki. Other people *also* have the power to undo what they perceive as wrong. The same right you have others have. If this escalates, some with more power will take whatever actions deemed necessary to stop the write/re-write cycle. * or, perhaps, you want those that did not agree with you *NOT* to be able to do so? * nobody prohibited you on working on the re-write. Many did not agree with it, I grant. But you were NOT, by a long shot, prohibited from giving a new view. * what once happened was you changing a wiki page *without* a proposal, and doing it in a way that some that were working with it disagreed. This was, indeed, *your* fault: you do not, unilaterally, change something that is used by a lot of people. You *propose* your changes, and reach a consensus. * but you do not seem to want a consensus. You want *your* way, or the highway. This is not how a community, be it a democracy or meritocracy, works. This is, on the other hand, how dictatorships work. So what you have experienced is /not/ people not allowing the "needed change", it was people -- community members just like you -- disagreeing with your proposed changes. Let me be clear on this: I *know* the Reporting Bugs is a mess. I *agree* the pages have to be re-organised, cleaned up, re-written. I *disagree* with your approach, for reasons already discussed ad nauseam. But this is *my* view. OK, I agree it is biased by my years of technical support. But it is still my view. Personal. I do not speak, formally, for the project -- I have no authority to do so. But I *do* speak in the community based on my personal interest in bugs and triaging. After all, I am a member of this community -- which, by the way, would be as true if I were not to be an official Ubuntu member(as you also are). Cheers, ..C.. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My answer was: give a Mate desktop to a 5year old child which can't read and tell him to start a game. No problem in Mate, mission impossible in Unity. I slowed down my contribution for Ubuntu with the 12.04 release cause I'm like a good market player who sees which company/project is worth investing. It was clear for me that Unity will not succeed. Ubuntu 11.xx was one of the first and last releases where Bluetooth used to work correctly and without problems with all devices. Someone decided to replace that working packages with new ones: bug reports for this decision are open till today and Ubuntu payed for that a few months ago with Ubuntu Touch project. Someone wanted to built convergence devices without working Bluetooth. "First things first"! I know development is needed to not finish the way Nokia did but I support with all my heart Alberto: someone make thoughtless decisions who makes system unreliable and unstable. I caused that many people stoped using Windows and started using Linux but if I had installed them Ubuntu version from 12.04 they would have come back to Windows. I do not agree with Your Greenpeace comparison but I can confirm that Ubuntu as a system for people is dead. Ubuntu is a system for playing developers who show their fantasy without respect for an end user. I thank God that there are still people like guys from Ubuntu Mate who just show respect for end users. Cheers Marcin Dnia śr., cze 7, 2017 o 1:03, Alberto Salvia Novella napisał: Speaking about the Roman's king, I have just received this email from a familiar which I have installed Ubuntu: Cousin: > It gets worse every time, especially at start-up, it hangs and > needs to restart. Other mentions in the latests two months: Father: > It usually hangs at start-up, and mouse stops working from time to > time. Friend: > Ubuntu was no longer booting up. I needed it for my end of career > work, so you know what I did? Removed it and installed Windows 10. So it seems that all of these happens nearly all of the time: (https://askubuntu.com/questions/760934/graphics-issues-after-while-installing-ubuntu-16-04-16-10-with-nvidia-graphics) Root cause: nobody is reporting bugs and nobody is triaging them, as it's too hard to read the manuals. And people won't allow the needed change because of: (https://plus.google.com/+AlbertoSalviaNovella/posts/6fmD4E2vKfP) -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From belkinsa at ubuntu.com Wed Jun 7 00:45:29 2017 From: belkinsa at ubuntu.com (Svetlana Belkin) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 20:45:29 -0400 Subject: I'm stopping contributing In-Reply-To: <20170606185134.0534cde4.hggdh2@ubuntu.com> References: <487395465.2126936.1496645086071@mail.yahoo.com> <27de1551-5f38-dae3-f4aa-576191bdc451@gmail.com> <3e747de6-e595-e0f2-2819-ef97ae079035@ubuntu.com> <9da30811-390b-9733-4374-de4b0395f32d@gmail.com> <37e5f541-fe1a-49bd-3244-016c07c3268b@ubuntu.com> <130c84f2-0ace-a804-28e5-4f9aba958201@gmail.com> <0b252bb4-85d0-9345-c376-3acce94747ee@gmail.com> <20170606185134.0534cde4.hggdh2@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: On 06/06/2017 07:51 PM, C de-Avillez wrote: > Let me be clear on this: I*know* the Reporting Bugs is a mess. I > *agree* the pages have to be re-organised, cleaned up, re-written Sorry if this is a useless plug and/or wrong place but I don't follow the bug mailing list. Having that said, instead of the wiki, after it's re-written to make more sense, would be worth it to have those pages on community.u.c or help.u.c? Just a thought here. -- Svetlana Belkin A.K.A: belkinsa User Wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/belkinsa From es20490446e at gmail.com Wed Jun 7 22:40:31 2017 From: es20490446e at gmail.com (Alberto Salvia Novella) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 00:40:31 +0200 Subject: I'm stopping contributing In-Reply-To: <20170606185134.0534cde4.hggdh2@ubuntu.com> References: <487395465.2126936.1496645086071@mail.yahoo.com> <27de1551-5f38-dae3-f4aa-576191bdc451@gmail.com> <3e747de6-e595-e0f2-2819-ef97ae079035@ubuntu.com> <9da30811-390b-9733-4374-de4b0395f32d@gmail.com> <37e5f541-fe1a-49bd-3244-016c07c3268b@ubuntu.com> <130c84f2-0ace-a804-28e5-4f9aba958201@gmail.com> <0b252bb4-85d0-9345-c376-3acce94747ee@gmail.com> <20170606185134.0534cde4.hggdh2@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <1ba6f1ae-2bcb-ef14-1214-451f53b1c6db@gmail.com> Why we have malformed bug reports: (https://youtu.be/sC6wG5Owu4E) Why decisions are better delegated: (https://youtu.be/9PWW8sryNec) Where to place these help pages: (https://youtu.be/vob02C4dGWI) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Especially 10 or 20 minutes long. I understand that people suspect I'm doing things on resistance. Understand me when I choose to point an UI issue actually seeing the UI. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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While using a video may be unorthodox it doesn't violate any community rules and those who dislike it are free to scroll past. On Jun 7, 2017 7:00 PM, "Alberto Salvia Novella" wrote: > Marcin Xc: > >> "Why" are You still ignoring people who told You that a mailing list is >> not a right place for links and videos? Especially 10 or 20 minutes long. >> > > I understand that people suspect I'm doing things on resistance. > Understand me when I choose to point an UI issue actually seeing the UI. > > > > -- > Ubuntu-community-team mailing list > Ubuntu-community-team at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ > mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-community-team > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From es20490446e at gmail.com Thu Jun 8 03:58:40 2017 From: es20490446e at gmail.com (Alberto Salvia Novella) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 05:58:40 +0200 Subject: I'm stopping contributing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Stephen Kellat: > Within the strains of my civil service posting, even machine > translated text is easier for me to approach than video. Before I made video-responses widespread I wanted to warrant it wouldn’t exclude too much people. So I picked up a web-site which was English written, but had a wide diversity of people from around the world, and made this poll: (http://girlsaskguys.com/education-career/q2272280-do-you-understand-spoken-english) It throws that about 92% of people in an English written website will also be able to understand spoken English well. Also the web-media format is incredible efficient at compressing videos, and watching a video response will only take as much as visualising a 6MP photo. At that point we can discuss that videos are longer to pay attention to, but that's only if you choose to do a long explanation versus a minimal one. The idea of making video responses came out because I realised that most arguments which happen online, on a text basis, would never occur in a face to face manner. After sending around a hundred of messages in a questions and answers board, where you can usually find political extremists and social justice warriors, it shown that very little people would answer my video-messages in a rude manner. Even when they usually did when interacting with other users, and my points were as upfront as usual. So even when text has some obvious advantages, those things suggests me that video has hidden benefits. And perhaps it's far better suited for having discussions with people you are working with than plain text or a hangout, which is by far longer. Not to say these emails takes me long time to write, compared with just shooting a quick video. Instead of working, I find myself spending the time trying to convince people of details that doesn't really matter. Lately, when answering my latest message, I could had taken into account that it would be rejected anyway if it was on video. But that particular explanation had been way harder to understand on text, as it was about the disposition of elements in an interface. I'm usually only showing you the tip of the iceberg. That something is short, unorthodox or casual doesn't mean it isn't well designed. The papercuts logo, that circle with a heart origami in the middle, took me 30 hours to design. Imagine if I had to discuss its design in depth with someone. Take this email as specimen, took me 2 hours to write. I need my life! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It is not inappropriate to let someone know that he is acting in a way that prevents his communication from being received and understood by the majority of his audience. > While using a video may be unorthodox it doesn't violate any community > rules and those who dislike it are free to scroll past. These mailing lists are for text discussion, not promotion of his social media channels. If he truly does wish to communicate with the people on these mailing lists, then he should do so on these mailing lists. Empty emails with blind links to videos or social media with no context are unlikely to be followed by many. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ From gtriderxc at yahoo.com Thu Jun 8 00:01:23 2017 From: gtriderxc at yahoo.com (Marcin Xc) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 00:01:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Odp: Re: I'm stopping contributing In-Reply-To: <1ba6f1ae-2bcb-ef14-1214-451f53b1c6db@gmail.com> References: <487395465.2126936.1496645086071@mail.yahoo.com> <27de1551-5f38-dae3-f4aa-576191bdc451@gmail.com> <3e747de6-e595-e0f2-2819-ef97ae079035@ubuntu.com> <9da30811-390b-9733-4374-de4b0395f32d@gmail.com> <37e5f541-fe1a-49bd-3244-016c07c3268b@ubuntu.com> <130c84f2-0ace-a804-28e5-4f9aba958201@gmail.com> <0b252bb4-85d0-9345-c376-3acce94747ee@gmail.com> <20170606185134.0534cde4.hggdh2@ubuntu.com> <1ba6f1ae-2bcb-ef14-1214-451f53b1c6db@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2118055257.4952701.1496880083315@mail.yahoo.com> "Why" are You still ignoring people who told You that a mailing list is not a right place for links and videos? 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By having those videos sent, he disables people to follow on the discussion as expected on a mailing list. If Alberto chooses to keep on sending videos, I will have to stop discussing the matter, since it is impossible for me to carefully watch those videos and express an opinion, contrary to what I could've done if there was written text. I have the best of intentions on trying to get this matter solved, so that no one, even Alberto, feel left out of the discussion and community in general. I don't want to keep on with this useless discussion (since it doesn't provide any benefit to keep on passing the ball like this), so if Alberto keeps on sending those videos, I have nothing further to say on the matter. And I think several other have expressed the same. Sorry. On 06/07/2017 09:09 PM, Benjamin Kerensa wrote: > It really continues to be inappropriate for people to police how you > choose to communicate and express yourself Alberta. > > While using a video may be unorthodox it doesn't violate any community > rules and those who dislike it are free to scroll past. > > On Jun 7, 2017 7:00 PM, "Alberto Salvia Novella" > wrote: > > Marcin Xc: > > "Why" are You still ignoring people who told You that a mailing > list is not a right place for links and videos? Especially 10 or > 20 minutes long. > > > I understand that people suspect I'm doing things on resistance. > Understand me when I choose to point an UI issue actually seeing the UI. > > > > -- > Ubuntu-community-team mailing list > Ubuntu-community-team at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-community-team > > > > -- José Antonio Rey From jeff at ubuntu.com Thu Jun 8 17:56:39 2017 From: jeff at ubuntu.com (Jeffrey Lane) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 13:56:39 -0400 Subject: I'm stopping contributing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Ian Bruntlett wrote: > Hi Jono, > > On 8 June 2017 at 17:22, Jono Bacon wrote: > >> There is a huge amount of value in video communication, and it can be an >> easier form of communication for non native-English speakers too. >> > Yes, I appreciate that. My point of view is that, whilst I would like to > make time available to watch YouTube messages, I don't have the time. This is my concern as well (my only concern). I simply don't have time to devote to watching videos that range anywhere from 30 seconds to 30 minutes, when I could easily read/skim an email in a matter of seconds. My opinion may be a bit moot, as I'm more a lurker on mailing lists these days, but I do try to follow interesting threads to stay current on what's going on in the community, and there's a big discord for me on this topic because I can only really see half the conversation. Otherwise, as Jono says, live and let live. > BW, > > > Ian > > -- > -- ACCU - Professionalism in programming - http://www.accu.org > -- My writing - https://sites.google.com/site/ianbruntlett/ > -- Free Software page - > https://sites.google.com/site/ianbruntlett/home/free-software > -- > Ubuntu-quality mailing list > Ubuntu-quality at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality -- Jeff Lane - Server Certification Lead, Tools Developer, Warrior Poet, Lover of Pie Ubuntu Ham: W4KDH Freenode IRC: bladernr or bladernr_ gpg: 1024D/3A14B2DD 8C88 B076 0DD7 B404 1417 C466 4ABD 3635 3A14 B2DD From es20490446e at gmail.com Thu Jun 8 17:59:29 2017 From: es20490446e at gmail.com (Alberto Salvia Novella) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 19:59:29 +0200 Subject: I'm stopping contributing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jono Bacon: > There is though a practicality issue of how people respond to content in > a video. 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Moreover they make me worry if people are getting what I mean or not. So I tend to write longer and longer and longer, till the point the conversation no longer makes sense. In fact most people outside of this conjuncture says that they feel flattened when I took the time to answer like that. Probably we are reaching the tunnel effect, and close to make a quantum jump to a new dimension. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Ralph aka 'RedWar'‎ , aka 'thegreatspace' Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.   Original Message   From: Jeffrey Lane Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 1:57 PM To: Ian Bruntlett Cc: Ubuntu Community Team; Ubuntu Quality Team; Ubuntu BugSquad; Jono Bacon Subject: Re: I'm stopping contributing On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Ian Bruntlett wrote: > Hi Jono, > > On 8 June 2017 at 17:22, Jono Bacon wrote: > >> There is a huge amount of value in video communication, and it can be an >> easier form of communication for non native-English speakers too. >> > Yes, I appreciate that. My point of view is that, whilst I would like to > make time available to watch YouTube messages, I don't have the time. This is my concern as well (my only concern). I simply don't have time to devote to watching videos that range anywhere from 30 seconds to 30 minutes, when I could easily read/skim an email in a matter of seconds. My opinion may be a bit moot, as I'm more a lurker on mailing lists these days, but I do try to follow interesting threads to stay current on what's going on in the community, and there's a big discord for me on this topic because I can only really see half the conversation. Otherwise, as Jono says, live and let live. > BW, > > > Ian > > -- > -- ACCU - Professionalism in programming - http://www.accu.org > -- My writing - https://sites.google.com/site/ianbruntlett/ > -- Free Software page - > https://sites.google.com/site/ianbruntlett/home/free-software > -- > Ubuntu-quality mailing list > Ubuntu-quality at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality -- Jeff Lane - Server Certification Lead, Tools Developer, Warrior Poet, Lover of Pie Ubuntu Ham: W4KDH Freenode IRC: bladernr or bladernr_ gpg: 1024D/3A14B2DD 8C88 B076 0DD7 B404 1417 C466 4ABD 3635 3A14 B2DD -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality From jono at jonobacon.com Thu Jun 8 21:05:41 2017 From: jono at jonobacon.com (Jono Bacon) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 14:05:41 -0700 Subject: I'm stopping contributing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Alberto Salvia Novella < es20490446e at gmail.com> wrote: > Alberto: > >> Okay, text. >> > > Well, I really don't feel like it's something I wanted to do any more. > Apart from if it practically makes sense or not. > > Simply I spend a big part of my time alone writing in front of a computer, > and the latest thing that appeals to me is relating with people through > text. More of the same thing. > > I simply don't see myself spending years and years like that, it's dull. > Probably I would end avoiding the conversations. In fact this is what has > been happening till now. > > As I said these emails takes me plenty of time to write. Moreover they > make me worry if people are getting what I mean or not. So I tend to write > longer and longer and longer, till the point the conversation no longer > makes sense. > > In fact most people outside of this conjuncture says that they feel > flattened when I took the time to answer like that. Probably we are > reaching the tunnel effect, and close to make a quantum jump to a new > dimension. > > I also agree that sometimes writing text can be a little dull, but there are two things to consider here: (1) what is the most effective way for an individual to collaborate (what do you prefer), and (2) what is the most effective way for a community to collaborate (what is the best thing for us all together). In many cases, the preference of the individual is not the preferred method for the community. Speaking personally, I don't particularly enjoy mailing list discussions. I get loads of email anyway, and I find doing yet more email frustrating. I also enjoy 1-on-1 discussion via in-person meetings, hangouts, and calls. The problem is, those in-person meetings and calls simply don't scale. Communities are a many-to-many entity. We have lots of people talking with lots of other people, and what this results in is mediums that support a many-to-many approach. Text is the most efficient way for people to communicate in this manner for many reasons - it is low bandwidth, you can access it on mobile phones, blind people can understand it with screen readers, multiple clients support it, you can do machine translation on it, etc. I entirely agree with you that it might not be as quick and accessible and filming a video, but that is the compromise me make in a collaborative community. So, in summary, I agree with your frustrations with text, but as I said, this is the compromise we make to ensure we have accessible forms of communication for everyone. When someone comes up with something as accessible as text which works for everyone, I will be the first to join! :-) Thanks, -- Homepage · About Me · Consulting Services · Twitter · LinkedIn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jono at jonobacon.com Thu Jun 8 16:22:59 2017 From: jono at jonobacon.com (Jono Bacon) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 09:22:59 -0700 Subject: I'm stopping contributing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There is a huge amount of value in video communication, and it can be an easier form of communication for non native-English speakers too. This is though, a mailing list. It is a medium designed for *text* discussion and collaboration. The purpose of a mailing list is to discuss ideas, approaches, and problems in a way that the threads of the discussion can be easily connected. When you throw in another medium (such as video, audio, PDFs, presentation decks etc), it makes discussion (referencing and responding to sub-points) waaaaay more complicated than it needs to be. Trust me, I can't stand it when people are overly prescriptive about communication...I am a firm believer in a "live and let live" approach in how we communicate and share. As an example, note how I am top-posting. ;-) There is though a practicality issue of how people respond to content in a video. If Alberto makes a valid and salient point in one of his videos (which he indeed has), it is difficult to reference and discuss that part of that video. Sure, people could provide timestamps, but that will get messy quickly.: one thing I have learned is that if people are expected to include too much meta-data in their work (such as timestamps), it just won't happen. My take is this: people should feel free to post videos of on-topic videos to this mailing list, but if you are expecting a discussion of the concepts in that video, it isn't going to happen. If you want a discussion, post text to the mailing list and you will more likely get some good discussion and debate. Thanks, On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 8:58 PM, Alberto Salvia Novella < es20490446e at gmail.com> wrote: > Stephen Kellat: > > Within the strains of my civil service posting, even machine > > translated text is easier for me to approach than video. > > Before I made video-responses widespread I wanted to warrant it wouldn’t > exclude too much people. > > So I picked up a web-site which was English written, but had a wide > diversity of people from around the world, and made this poll: > > (http://girlsaskguys.com/education-career/q2272280-do-you- > understand-spoken-english) > > It throws that about 92% of people in an English written website will also > be able to understand spoken English well. > > > Also the web-media format is incredible efficient at compressing videos, > and watching a video response will only take as much as visualising a 6MP > photo. > > At that point we can discuss that videos are longer to pay attention to, > but that's only if you choose to do a long explanation versus a minimal one. > > > The idea of making video responses came out because I realised that most > arguments which happen online, on a text basis, would never occur in a face > to face manner. > > After sending around a hundred of messages in a questions and answers > board, where you can usually find political extremists and social justice > warriors, it shown that very little people would answer my video-messages > in a rude manner. Even when they usually did when interacting with other > users, and my points were as upfront as usual. > > So even when text has some obvious advantages, those things suggests me > that video has hidden benefits. And perhaps it's far better suited for > having discussions with people you are working with than plain text or a > hangout, which is by far longer. > > Not to say these emails takes me long time to write, compared with just > shooting a quick video. Instead of working, I find myself spending the time > trying to convince people of details that doesn't really matter. > > > Lately, when answering my latest message, I could had taken into account > that it would be rejected anyway if it was on video. But that particular > explanation had been way harder to understand on text, as it was about the > disposition of elements in an interface. > > I'm usually only showing you the tip of the iceberg. That something is > short, unorthodox or casual doesn't mean it isn't well designed. > > The papercuts logo, that circle with a heart origami in the middle, took > me 30 hours to design. Imagine if I had to discuss its design in depth with > someone. Take this email as specimen, took me 2 hours to write. I need my > life! > > > > -- > Ubuntu-community-team mailing list > Ubuntu-community-team at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ > mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-community-team > > -- Homepage · About Me · Consulting Services · Twitter · LinkedIn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Furthermore I think that's the future, and the way I liked to communicate and make business with anyone online. We saw a jump from reading articles on the Internet to getting the same information through video, and I think the next logical step is having the same for communications. Just bandwidth wasn't good enough till recently to enable it, so still no software really supports that. The jump will be from the social web to the interactive web. People instead of posting contents for others to consume, will interact through contents themselves. Because that's what really people is looking for, not spam from others but to interact with them. Just my thoughts. Have a nice day. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I think this conversation has went a little through > the roof, and better stepped away a little bit to regain perspective. > > Right now I simply think text is better at those things, but only slightly > better in practice. Not to make a choice based on it. > > I just liked to have a way of communication which has the benefits of > hangouts, while keeping some from email. Face to face, briefness, and the > possibility to communicate when it better fits you. > > Furthermore I think that's the future, and the way I liked to communicate > and make business with anyone online. > > We saw a jump from reading articles on the Internet to getting the same > information through video, and I think the next logical step is having the > same for communications. Just bandwidth wasn't good enough till recently to > enable it, so still no software really supports that. > > The jump will be from the social web to the interactive web. People > instead of posting contents for others to consume, will interact through > contents themselves. Because that's what really people is looking for, not > spam from others but to interact with them. > > Just my thoughts. Have a nice day. > > > -- Homepage · About Me · Consulting Services · Twitter · LinkedIn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tuxace45 at gmail.com Fri Jun 9 10:49:08 2017 From: tuxace45 at gmail.com (Tux Ace) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 20:49:08 +1000 Subject: I'm stopping contributing In-Reply-To: References: <2836cf92-a2f0-750b-de95-45aa72d05b74@gmail.com> Message-ID: ​Hi Alberto, I only check e-mails on weekends and only heard about you leaving right now. Best luck in your future whatever you choose to do. You have made a big difference to Ubuntu and I think people shouldn't ​be arguing about how videos in mailing lists are bad and stuff and can somebody explain to me why you think text is better. I don't want to spend years and years typing up something. Writing is time consuming and boring and I think a video can help express peoples opinion better than a speech. On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 9:49 AM, Jono Bacon wrote: > Hi Alberto, > > Thanks for the interesting discussion, and all the best in your future > endeavors! > > Thanks, > > On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 4:46 PM, Alberto Salvia Novella < > es20490446e at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Jono Bacon: > > > >> it is low bandwidth, you can access it on mobile phones, blind people > can > >> understand it with screen readers, multiple clients support it, you can > do > >> machine translation on it, etc. > >> > > > > Thanks for your input. I think this conversation has went a little > through > > the roof, and better stepped away a little bit to regain perspective. > > > > Right now I simply think text is better at those things, but only > slightly > > better in practice. Not to make a choice based on it. > > > > I just liked to have a way of communication which has the benefits of > > hangouts, while keeping some from email. Face to face, briefness, and the > > possibility to communicate when it better fits you. > > > > Furthermore I think that's the future, and the way I liked to communicate > > and make business with anyone online. > > > > We saw a jump from reading articles on the Internet to getting the same > > information through video, and I think the next logical step is having > the > > same for communications. Just bandwidth wasn't good enough till recently > to > > enable it, so still no software really supports that. > > > > The jump will be from the social web to the interactive web. People > > instead of posting contents for others to consume, will interact through > > contents themselves. Because that's what really people is looking for, > not > > spam from others but to interact with them. > > > > Just my thoughts. Have a nice day. > > > > > > > > > -- > > Homepage · About Me > · Consulting Services > · Twitter > · LinkedIn > > -- > Ubuntu-quality mailing list > Ubuntu-quality at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ > mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality > -- Tux -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From es20490446e at gmail.com Mon Jun 19 14:23:09 2017 From: es20490446e at gmail.com (Alberto Salvia Novella) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 16:23:09 +0200 Subject: Shall this report about Ubuntu Testcases be closed? Message-ID: (https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-50459) When answering please include my email address as recipient, as I'm not subscribed to these mailing lists. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From c.lobrano at gmail.com Fri Jun 23 07:08:12 2017 From: c.lobrano at gmail.com (Carlo Lobrano) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 09:08:12 +0200 Subject: A Beginner: want to get started In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Abhishek, being basically in the same situation, I can also suggest you to look at this page to find out what's the best fit for your skills http://community.ubuntu.com/contribute/ I started looking at Ubuntu BugSquad as well, it's nice to understand the process and the packages. Regards On 23 June 2017 at 04:31, Leo Arias wrote: > Hello Abhishek, > > I've just made two calls for testing today, where your help will be > very appreciated: > > https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/call-for-testing-ipfs/97 > > https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/call-for-testing-vault/497 > > If these sound good to you as a place to get started, we can help you > in https://rocket.ubuntu.com/channel/snapcraft > > pura vida. > > -- > Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list > Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: