From micahg at ubuntu.com Sun Sep 2 22:28:28 2012 From: micahg at ubuntu.com (Micah Gersten) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2012 17:28:28 -0500 Subject: Core vs. Non-Core definitions In-Reply-To: References: <20120712221937.GP13466@murraytwins.com> <501F9F83.1040305@connectfree.co.uk> <50210C86.40406@connectfree.co.uk> <20120807135222.GE3199@gerdhr.shipstone> Message-ID: <5043DD8C.2060303@ubuntu.com> Corrected top posting... On 08/29/2012 11:42 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: > On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Thomas Ward > > wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Emmet Hikory > wrote: > > Marcel Admiraal wrote: > > If we use the "Task" field to identify whether or not an > application > > is "core". We should ensure that the "Task" field is defined > > somewhere. This definition should explain why it can be used to > > define whether or not an application is "core", and what values > > would define an application as "core". Since this is part of the > > Debian package control file, I would expect this to be done at a > > Debian level. Although it could be made Ubuntu specific, I don't > > think that would be the right approach. Personally I don't > > understand what the "Task" field is for, or why it signifies > that an > > application is important. > > > The tasks are generated by launchpad based on the content > of the > seeds used to define the flavours, by a process that is similar to > the means by which the common metapackages are generated > (e.g. xubuntu-desktop). You can compare the similarity by > looking at the > output of the following commands: > > `apt-cache show xubuntu-desktop` (describes the metapackage) > `apt-cache show xubuntu-desktop^' (describes the content of > the task) > > Note that the set of packages described by the second command > matches the set of packages listed as dependencies and > recommendations > in the first command (barring the potential for intentional > variation). > > Packages that are included in tasks are considered > important because > the developers of the various Ubuntu flavours have deemed them > important: > this information is Ubuntu specific and entirely independent > of any > information included in source packages imported from Debian. > It ought > be safe to consider these "core" packages, because they are > packages that > are specifically identified as being important to one or > another flavour > of Ubuntu, or the (transitive) dependencies and > recommendations of these > packages so identified. > > Note that reliance entirely on tasks isn't quite > sufficient, as > there exist some packages that are transitive > build-dependencies of > the "core" packages that also need the same level of attention and > triage as bugs there may affect packages in tasks, but it is most > likely that most users would report bugs against packages in > tasks, > which we would then reassign to packages not in tasks as they > became > understood, making the use of tasks an acceptable heuristic > for most > regular bug triage activity. > > It is worth mentioning that during any given development > cycle, there > are unavoidable delays between changes in the seeds and the > availability > of updated binary metapackages, so that there may be observed > skew between > the packages considered transitive dependencies of a > metapackage and the > packages included in a task: this ought only be a temporary > phenomenon, and > should never be the case once a given cycle as completed > (release happened). > > > Clearly this discussion is based on the fact that the > definition of > > "core" is open to interpretation; so there will be > disagreement on > > what people consider "core", but personally I think the fact > that an > > application is important to the system is what defines an > > application as core, and not whether it's important to a > user. This > > is why I suggested using the "Priority" field, which is > defined at > > the Debian level, and consider both "required" and "important" > > applications as "core". > > The issue here is that if we only consider "required" and > "important" > packages as core, we end up defining nearly every package > users notice or > intentionally use as "non-core". With a few exceptions, just > about everything > of direct user interest is Priority: optional (as an example, > xserver-xorg is > optional). Making everything that the flavours consider > critical higher > than optional would mean we had no differentiation of > flavours, and a >5GB > download for install, as every user would be required to > install all the > packages used for all the flavours. Making all the packages > not considered > critical by the flavours less than optional would involve a > massive amount > of work (more than 10,000 packages affected, and needing > continued maintenance > over time, as such a change would be unsuitable for Debian), > and then fail > to usefully distinguish packages users are encouraged not to > use (Priority: > extra). > > > I agree that all "core" packages should be in the "main" > repository > > i.e. they are free and supported. However, we should note > that this > > shouldn't be used as part of a definition, because there is a > > theoretical possibility that a "core" application may not be in > > "main", because it's been removed, which itself would be a > bug. I > > know this has happened to free applications that are removed > from > > the universe repository for some reason e.g. when VLC and > mplayer, > > which are both free, were not included. Saying that it's not > "core" > > because it's not in "main" would lead to a circular argument. > > I don't think it is appropriate to declare a package "core" or > "non-core" based on the component in which it happens to fall: if > such an approach is taken, all flavours will need to put all the > packages of direct interest into main, requiring a vast amount > of processing of main inclusion reports, and similar. While there > are historical reasons that the component definitions were > interesting, > we ought not limit ourselves by adding more complexity to the > currently > existing semantics surrounding them, especially when we have > significantly > more flexible and richer tools available from which to select > those same > semantics, and heuristics to apply those semantics. > > For the avoidance of doubt, my personal definition of > "core" is packages > that affect the content of shipping products, these being the > ogre-model > constrained set of transitive dependencies, recommendations, > and build > dependencies for all packages referenced in the seeds for all > products, plus > those packages in the unconstrained transitive dependencies, > recommendations, > and build dependencies of the infrastructure used to produce > product images. > In practice, the use of the Task: header in local apt caches > is close enough > to the above that the exceptions can often be held in the > heads of those > developers with direct intrest in the production of product > artifacts. > > Those bugsquad members with an exclusive interest in a > subset of flavours > may wish to avoid work on packages only represented in Tasks: > for which they > have little interest. > > So, now that we've pretty much agreed on using the task field in > practice, I spoke with Brian Murray (bdmurray on IRC). We just > need to add to the BugSquad documentation > (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance) and anywhere else in the > documentation where we reference "core" vs. "non-core" with > footnotes on how to define them. As far as I am aware, its only > in the Importance docs where we actually have such a definition. > > Now, time to do the wording. We do want to keep this somewhat > non-complex, for the newer or less experienced people who wish to > suggest importances for *a bug's importance*. > > I came up with some wording as a start, but I'd welcome > suggestions as they come up before we throw this into the wiki's > documentation (because i think the idea is to not change that > document often). If we decide to use that wording, i'll go ahead > and add this to the wiki page: > > "core" | A core package can be identified as being part of a task > in the apt-cache headers. You can see the apt-cache headers by > running `apt-cache show [package]` in a terminal, and looking at > the "Task: " field in the output. > > "non-core" | A non-core package can be identified as a package > that is not part of a task, and is not in 'main'. You can see the > apt-cache headers by running `apt-cache show [package]` in a > terminal, and looking at the "Task: " field in the output. > > Clarification: I meant "a bug's importance" (see bold changes in the > quote below) The one issue I see with this is that the task headers and the component change from release to release. One should have to check them for the releases in question that the bug affects. Maybe we can get seeded-in-ubuntu (in ubuntu-dev-tools) extended to allow querying stable releases as well. In that case, anything marked as supported or on an image should qualify. Thanks, Micah -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The "ReportingBugs" page has been changed by r-ehl: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs?action=diff&rev1=188&rev2=189 * [[ReportingBugs_ru|Русский]] * [[ReportingBugs_zh-cn|中文（中国）－－ 建设中]] * [[ReportingBugs-it|Italiano]] + * [[https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs_de|Deutsch] [[#Top|Back to top]] = See Also = From michael at eacott.org.uk Thu Sep 6 11:30:53 2012 From: michael at eacott.org.uk (Michael Eacott) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2012 12:30:53 +0100 Subject: Ubuntu 12.04 Unity glitches Message-ID: <5048896D.6010606@eacott.org.uk> I like Ubuntu 12.04 Unity but it continues to have problems in applications sometimes hanging or misbehaving when they are doing things that are not simple. This has happened too often with FireFox and occasionally with LibreOffice writer. The latter had a problem today when its windows to cut/paste/save popped up blank. I'd like to know how to report such bugs but don't know what logs may have recorded the problems. Please advise. Mike From melchiaros at aol.com Thu Sep 6 11:43:09 2012 From: melchiaros at aol.com (melchiaros) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2012 13:43:09 +0200 Subject: Ubuntu 12.04 Unity glitches In-Reply-To: <5048896D.6010606@eacott.org.uk> References: <5048896D.6010606@eacott.org.uk> Message-ID: <50488C4D.9040300@aol.com> Am 06.09.2012 13:30, schrieb Michael Eacott: > I like Ubuntu 12.04 Unity but it continues to have problems in > applications sometimes hanging or misbehaving when they are doing > things that are not simple. > This has happened too often with FireFox and occasionally with > LibreOffice writer. The latter had a problem today when its windows to > cut/paste/save popped up blank. > I'd like to know how to report such bugs but don't know what logs may > have recorded the problems. > > Please advise. > > Mike > Hello Mike, you should be helped with https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs For short on variant: You can use from terminal(or for a simple command line use ALT +F2): ubuntu-bug -w with this your mouse get the ability to click on the running application you have trouble with. This gathers the needed informtions/logs and bring you to the website were you can open up a ticket for. All this automatically. Thing of a good summary(which gives a ideo of what is wrong), give a good algorithmic description for reproducing(which can also guide a beginner to the point where the problem occures) and stay tuned for questions that we have to you to work out the bug in deep. BTW: This mailing list is used for people who help to resolv bugs, not for reporting. But anyway, you are welcome. greetings melchiaros From brian at ubuntu.com Thu Sep 6 14:42:56 2012 From: brian at ubuntu.com (Brian Murray) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 07:42:56 -0700 Subject: Ubuntu 12.04 Unity glitches In-Reply-To: <50488C4D.9040300@aol.com> References: <5048896D.6010606@eacott.org.uk> <50488C4D.9040300@aol.com> Message-ID: <20120906144255.GN4245@murraytwins.com> On Thu, Sep 06, 2012 at 01:43:09PM +0200, melchiaros wrote: > Am 06.09.2012 13:30, schrieb Michael Eacott: > >I like Ubuntu 12.04 Unity but it continues to have problems in > >applications sometimes hanging or misbehaving when they are doing > >things that are not simple. > >This has happened too often with FireFox and occasionally with > >LibreOffice writer. The latter had a problem today when its > >windows to cut/paste/save popped up blank. > >I'd like to know how to report such bugs but don't know what logs > >may have recorded the problems. > > > >Please advise. > > > >Mike > > > Hello Mike, > > you should be helped with > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs > > For short on variant: > > You can use from terminal(or for a simple command line use ALT +F2): > > ubuntu-bug -w > > with this your mouse get the ability to click on the running > application you have trouble with. This gathers the needed > informtions/logs and bring you to the website were you can open up a > ticket for. All this automatically. Thing of a good summary(which > gives a ideo of what is wrong), give a good algorithmic description > for reproducing(which can also guide a beginner to the point where > the problem occures) and stay tuned for questions that we have to > you to work out the bug in deep. > > BTW: This mailing list is used for people who help to resolv bugs, > not for reporting. Actually the description of the mailing list says: "Discussion about reporting, triaging and working with bugs" Additionally, if we can help people report higher quality bugs in the first place then it will be easier to triage and fix them. -- Brian Murray Ubuntu Bug Master -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm asking this because so people asks me why boinc-app-seti is packaged only for 386 and amd64 (almost useless on these two architectures) and not for other archs. Unfortunately ubuntu is really behind upstream versions 6.12~svn1305-2ubuntu1 VS 6.97~svn1409-1 (new fourier transforms and so on, so useful for arm* and powerpc) [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+source/boinc-app-seti/6.12~svn1305-2ubuntu1 [2] https://code.launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/boinc [3] https://code.launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/locutusofborg-ppa many thanks for the attention Just my 0.02 $ Gianfranco -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From micahg at ubuntu.com Thu Sep 13 22:36:36 2012 From: micahg at ubuntu.com (Micah Gersten) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 17:36:36 -0500 Subject: ppa builds for In-Reply-To: <1347575472.60608.YahooMailNeo@web133006.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> References: <1347575472.60608.YahooMailNeo@web133006.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <50525FF4.9010406@ubuntu.com> On 09/13/2012 05:31 PM, Gianfranco Costamagna wrote: > Hi everyone, just a simple question, boinc-app-seti according to [1] is built for 5 platforms, may I know why into my ppa [2] and [3] I can build only for 386 and amd64? > > I'm asking this because so people asks me why boinc-app-seti is packaged only for 386 and amd64 (almost useless on these two architectures) and not for other archs. > > Unfortunately ubuntu is really behind upstream versions > 6.12~svn1305-2ubuntu1 VS 6.97~svn1409-1 > > (new fourier transforms and so on, so useful for arm* and powerpc) > > [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+source/boinc-app-seti/6.12~svn1305-2ubuntu1 > [2] https://code.launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/boinc > [3] https://code.launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/locutusofborg-ppa > > many thanks for the attention > Just my 0.02 $ > > Gianfranco > This would probably make more sense on the Launchpad users list, but PPAs only build for i386 and amd64. If you'd like to get a new version onto older Ubuntu releases for other archs, simply request a backport. (requestbackport is in ubuntu-dev-tools on 12.04 and later) Thanks, Micah -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cruzjbishop at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 22:49:54 2012 From: cruzjbishop at gmail.com (Cruz Julian Bishop) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 08:49:54 +1000 Subject: ppa builds for In-Reply-To: <50525FF4.9010406@ubuntu.com> References: <1347575472.60608.YahooMailNeo@web133006.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <50525FF4.9010406@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <1347576594.1334.1.camel@Cruz-ASPIRE> Perhaps the OpenSUSE build service will build it for other architectures? I know they do at least i386 and amd64, but not sure about the others On Thu, 2012-09-13 at 17:36 -0500, Micah Gersten wrote: > On 09/13/2012 05:31 PM, Gianfranco Costamagna wrote: > > Hi everyone, just a simple question, boinc-app-seti according to [1] > is built for 5 platforms, may I know why into my ppa [2] and [3] I can > build only for 386 and amd64? > > > > I'm asking this because so people asks me why boinc-app-seti is > packaged only for 386 and amd64 (almost useless on these two > architectures) and not for other archs. > > > > Unfortunately ubuntu is really behind upstream versions > > 6.12~svn1305-2ubuntu1 VS 6.97~svn1409-1 > > > > (new fourier transforms and so on, so useful for arm* and powerpc) > > > > [1] > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+source/boinc-app-seti/6.12~svn1305-2ubuntu1 > > [2] https://code.launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/boinc > > [3] > https://code.launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/locutusofborg-ppa > > > > many thanks for the attention > > Just my 0.02 $ > > > > Gianfranco > > > This would probably make more sense on the Launchpad users list, but > PPAs only build for i386 and amd64. If you'd like to get a new > version onto older Ubuntu releases for other archs, simply request a > backport. (requestbackport is in ubuntu-dev-tools on 12.04 and later) > > Thanks, > Micah > From melchiaros at aol.com Sun Sep 16 12:26:08 2012 From: melchiaros at aol.com (melchiaros) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 14:26:08 +0200 Subject: wrongly dedub from a private report Message-ID: <5055C560.6050108@aol.com> On report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/1050656 apport-retrace has identified it as a dublicate of https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1036958 ,which is a private one. The reporter has recognized the last report as not exiting with respect to the "Lost something" page that launchpad shows on private bugs to users without permission to see them. He has dedublicated. Unfortunally I have not the priviledges to mark it again as dublicate of bug 1036958. Could someone do who is allowed to? Or - alternativly - set 1036958 to public. Thank you melchiaros From omer.akram at canonical.com Sun Sep 16 12:29:57 2012 From: omer.akram at canonical.com (Omer Akram) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 17:29:57 +0500 Subject: wrongly dedub from a private report In-Reply-To: <5055C560.6050108@aol.com> References: <5055C560.6050108@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi! bug 1036958 is now public, I have also marked bug 1050656 as duplicate. Thanks! On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 5:26 PM, melchiaros wrote: > On report > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/**ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/**1050656 > > apport-retrace has identified it as a dublicate of > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/**bugs/1036958 > > ,which is a private one. > > The reporter has recognized the last report as not exiting with respect to > the "Lost something" page that launchpad shows on private bugs to users > without permission to see them. > > He has dedublicated. > > Unfortunally I have not the priviledges to mark it again as dublicate of > bug 1036958. > > Could someone do who is allowed to? Or - alternativly - set 1036958 to > public. > > Thank you > > melchiaros > > -- > Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list > Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.**com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/**mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-**bugsquad > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnkim.ubuntu at gmail.com Sun Sep 16 13:27:22 2012 From: johnkim.ubuntu at gmail.com (John Kim) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 06:27:22 -0700 Subject: Apport says duplicate bug, but source bug is broken. Message-ID: I received an error and confirmed this crash report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/1050221 However, apport says that the reported bug was a duplicate. Though it gave the number, the link is broken. I confirmed the bug, but was that ok? -- John Kim Ubuntu enthusiast lookjohn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From melchiaros at aol.com Sun Sep 16 13:42:59 2012 From: melchiaros at aol.com (melchiaros) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 15:42:59 +0200 Subject: Apport says duplicate bug, but source bug is broken. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5055D763.3040404@aol.com> Am 16.09.2012 15:27, schrieb John Kim: > I received an error and confirmed this crash report. > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/1050221 > > However, apport says that the reported bug was a duplicate. Though it > gave the number, the link is broken. > > I confirmed the bug, but was that ok? > -- > John Kim > Ubuntu enthusiast > lookjohn.com > > > > @Omer, are you still there for handeling? (Or who has priviledges to access private reports.) This is the same as I have one hour ago posted on. The original report is private and with this the link seems to be broken, when you have not the priviledges to access it. @John: Confirmation is o.K you have hitten this bug too and this is enough for. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From melchiaros at aol.com Sun Sep 16 13:57:51 2012 From: melchiaros at aol.com (melchiaros) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 15:57:51 +0200 Subject: The launchpad "Lost something" page Message-ID: <5055DADF.90108@aol.com> Following the last two reports on the mailing list https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/1050656 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/1050221 the "Lost Something?" launchpad website that is presented to users who have no priviledges for accessing private bugs seems to be misidentified by users as error or bug or broken link of launchpad. May be the message should be a bit clearer than the actual one for users that are guided from a dublicate entry of their own report to such a page. Given scenario here: User report - > Apport-retracing identification as a dub of a already known private bug and automatically closing as such -> user misidentifies the "Lost Something" page as broken link and dedub their report wrongly Comments? From cruzjbishop at gmail.com Sun Sep 16 23:17:02 2012 From: cruzjbishop at gmail.com (Cruz Julian Bishop) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:17:02 +1000 Subject: The launchpad "Lost something" page In-Reply-To: <5055DADF.90108@aol.com> References: <5055DADF.90108@aol.com> Message-ID: <1347837422.1789.1.camel@CruzBishop-LAP> Someone randomly looking over my shoulder looked at this email and said that it should say "Sorry, Dave, I can't let you do that" OT: I agree, this will be quite annoying for people that can't, as you made an example for, access a bug that has been marked as the duplicate. On Sun, 2012-09-16 at 15:57 +0200, melchiaros wrote: > Following the last two reports on the mailing list > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/1050656 > > and > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/1050221 > > the "Lost Something?" launchpad website that is presented to users who > have no priviledges for accessing private bugs seems to be misidentified > by users as error or bug or broken link of launchpad. > > May be the message should be a bit clearer than the actual one for users > that are guided from a dublicate entry of their own report to such a page. > > Given scenario here: > > User report - > Apport-retracing identification as a dub of a already > known private bug and automatically closing as such -> user > misidentifies the "Lost Something" page as broken link and dedub their > report wrongly > > > Comments? > From trekcaptainusa.tw at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 01:37:31 2012 From: trekcaptainusa.tw at gmail.com (Thomas Ward) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 21:37:31 -0400 Subject: The launchpad "Lost something" page In-Reply-To: <1347837422.1789.1.camel@CruzBishop-LAP> References: <5055DADF.90108@aol.com> <1347837422.1789.1.camel@CruzBishop-LAP> Message-ID: <2922747602006202703@unknownmsgid> I suggest amending the message to say that the dupe crash bug may be private, and not accessible, or similar. *Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse any typos, as they are likely to happen by accident.* On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:17 PM, Cruz Julian Bishop wrote: > Someone randomly looking over my shoulder looked at this > email and said that it should say > > "Sorry, Dave, I can't let you do that" > > OT: I agree, this will be quite annoying > for people that can't, as you made an example for, > access a bug that has been marked as the duplicate. > > On Sun, 2012-09-16 at 15:57 +0200, melchiaros wrote: >> Following the last two reports on the mailing list >> >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/1050656 >> >> and >> >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/1050221 >> >> the "Lost Something?" launchpad website that is presented to users who >> have no priviledges for accessing private bugs seems to be misidentified >> by users as error or bug or broken link of launchpad. >> >> May be the message should be a bit clearer than the actual one for users >> that are guided from a dublicate entry of their own report to such a page. >> >> Given scenario here: >> >> User report - > Apport-retracing identification as a dub of a already >> known private bug and automatically closing as such -> user >> misidentifies the "Lost Something" page as broken link and dedub their >> report wrongly >> >> >> Comments? >> > > > > -- > Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list > Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad From valent.robert at neuf.fr Sun Sep 16 10:24:22 2012 From: valent.robert at neuf.fr (Robert Valent) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 12:24:22 +0200 Subject: update-manager bug Message-ID: <5055A8D6.4000900@neuf.fr> 'E:Encountered a section with no Package: header, E:Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/fr.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_precise_main_i18n_Translation-fr%5fFR, E:Les listes de paquets ou le fichier « status » ne peuvent être analysés ou lus.' From smartboyhw at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 13:10:52 2012 From: smartboyhw at gmail.com (Ho Wan Chan) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 21:10:52 +0800 Subject: update-manager bug In-Reply-To: <5055A8D6.4000900@neuf.fr> References: <5055A8D6.4000900@neuf.fr> Message-ID: Gee provide some French translation please:) smartboyhw 2012/9/16 Robert Valent : > 'E:Encountered a section with no Package: header, E:Problem with MergeList > /var/lib/apt/lists/fr.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_precise_main_i18n_Translation-fr%5fFR, > E:Les listes de paquets ou le fichier « status » ne peuvent être analysés ou > lus.' > > -- > Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list > Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad From jeanbaptiste.lallement at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 13:17:46 2012 From: jeanbaptiste.lallement at gmail.com (Jean-Baptiste Lallement) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 15:17:46 +0200 Subject: update-manager bug In-Reply-To: <5055A8D6.4000900@neuf.fr> References: <5055A8D6.4000900@neuf.fr> Message-ID: <505722FA.4080607@gmail.com> On 09/16/2012 12:24 PM, Robert Valent wrote: > 'E:Encountered a section with no Package: header, E:Problem with > MergeList > /var/lib/apt/lists/fr.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_precise_main_i18n_Translation-fr%5fFR, > E:Les listes de paquets ou le fichier « status » ne peuvent être > analysés ou lus.' > Launchpad is the right place to report bugs. Please refer to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/346386/+text for a workaround on this specific issue. Thanks. -- jibel From noreply at ubuntu.com Mon Sep 17 23:32:04 2012 From: noreply at ubuntu.com (Ubuntu Wiki) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 23:32:04 -0000 Subject: =?utf-8?q?=5BUbuntu_Wiki=5D_Update_of_=22DebuggingUbiquity=22_by_xnox?= Message-ID: <20120917233204.13352.43575@mangaba.canonical.com> Dear Wiki user, You have subscribed to a wiki page or wiki category on "Ubuntu Wiki" for change notification. The "DebuggingUbiquity" page has been changed by xnox: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUbiquity?action=diff&rev1=50&rev2=51 Additionally, if you are using OEM setup the bug should be tagged '''oem-config'''. + = Stock Reply = + '''WORK IN PROGRESS. DO NOT USE YET''' + + ## A stock reply to be used for initial bug reports basically asking for the stuff in "How to file". The Bugs/Responses page should include this reply. + + ## StockReplyStart + + == Unsupported Official Image == + + Use this reply if the image used is no longer support, e.g. End-of-life for that particular image type & architecture combo + + {{{ + Thank you for taking the time to report this bug and helping to make Ubuntu better. + }}} + + == Unsupported Unofficial Image == + + Use this reply if the image used is unofficial & unsupported image not build by Ubuntu Community, e.g. currently those are UCK customized images, Ultimate Ediction, Itchtux and similar + + {{{ + Thank you for taking the time to report this bug and helping to make Ubuntu better. + }}} + + == Missing debug info == + + Use this reply if the bug was not filed with apport collect data. + + == Support/Failed to install == + + Use this reply if the user did not try latest stable release, also ask to test with latest stable and/or +1 images as appropriate. + + ## StockReplyEnd + ------ '''Also see:''' From sanchitgangwar at outlook.com Tue Sep 18 20:19:29 2012 From: sanchitgangwar at outlook.com (Sanchit Gangwar) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 01:49:29 +0530 Subject: Slow Ubuntu on Virtualbox Message-ID: Hi! I've been noticing that Quantal releases have been too slow on virtualbox. Is this due to the new LLVM implementation? Also, there was a complaint (question) (http://askubuntu.com/questions/190330/slow-virtualbox-guest) concerning slow speed of Precise on virtualbox, however for me Precise works fine. Any ideas? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noreply at ubuntu.com Tue Sep 18 22:10:07 2012 From: noreply at ubuntu.com (Ubuntu Wiki) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 22:10:07 -0000 Subject: =?utf-8?q?=5BUbuntu_Wiki=5D_Update_of_=22Bugs/FindRightPackage=22_by_mfis?= =?utf-8?q?ch?= Message-ID: <20120918221007.10019.53018@mangaba.canonical.com> Dear Wiki user, You have subscribed to a wiki page or wiki category on "Ubuntu Wiki" for change notification. The "Bugs/FindRightPackage" page has been changed by mfisch: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage?action=diff&rev1=120&rev2=121 Some packages have changed names through versions of ubuntu and others need special care while reporting. This section lists these caveats. + === Kernel === + + The correct package for bugs about the kernel is `linux`. + + Please read [[KernelTeam/KernelTeamBugPolicies]] when reporting bugs against the kernel. + === Firefox === Please put Firefox bugs in the appropriate package depending on the version of Firefox. From costamagnagianfranco at yahoo.it Wed Sep 19 10:28:45 2012 From: costamagnagianfranco at yahoo.it (Gianfranco Costamagna) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 11:28:45 +0100 (BST) Subject: Branch not updating Message-ID: <1348050525.5557.YahooMailNeo@web133003.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> May I know why this page [1] is "updating" and never gets updated? seems to be a bug in bzr, but I don't know if I should report it or not, maybe during the last launchpad update someone triggered a bug... message: Updating branch... Launchpad is processing new changes to this branch which will be available in a few minutes. Reload to see the changes. [1] https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/chromium-browser/trunk Gianfranco -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Reload to see the changes. > > > > [1] https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/chromium-browser/trunk > > > Gianfranco > > This is a topic for the Launchpad Users mailing list, please join that list and ask there or ask in #launchpad on freenode. You can sign up here: https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-users -- Matthew (Matt) Fischer LP: http://launchpad.net/~mfisch IRC: mfisch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noreply at ubuntu.com Wed Sep 19 14:23:13 2012 From: noreply at ubuntu.com (Ubuntu Wiki) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:23:13 -0000 Subject: =?utf-8?q?=5BUbuntu_Wiki=5D_Update_of_=22Bugs/Importance=22_by_trekcaptai?= =?utf-8?q?nusa-tw?= Message-ID: <20120919142313.3407.1967@mangaba.canonical.com> Dear Wiki user, You have subscribed to a wiki page or wiki category on "Ubuntu Wiki" for change notification. The "Bugs/Importance" page has been changed by trekcaptainusa-tw: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance?action=diff&rev1=32&rev2=33 Comment: Added "core" and "non-core" footnotes in accordance with discussions with bdmurray and the BugSquad Mailing List ---- || '''Footnote:''' || ||[[http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/work-around|work-around]]:||a plan or method to circumvent a problem ''without'' eliminating it || + ||"core":||A core package can be identified as being part of a task in the apt-cache headers. You can see the apt-cache headers by running `apt-cache show [package]` in a terminal, and looking at the "Task: " field in the output.|| + ||"non-core":||A non-core package can be identified as a package that is not part of a task, and is not in 'main'. You can see the apt-cache headers by running `apt-cache show [package]` in a terminal, and looking at the "Task: " field in the output.|| ---- CategoryBugSquad From noreply at ubuntu.com Wed Sep 19 20:20:51 2012 From: noreply at ubuntu.com (Ubuntu Wiki) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 20:20:51 -0000 Subject: =?utf-8?q?=5BUbuntu_Wiki=5D_Update_of_=22DebuggingTouchpadDetection=22_by?= =?utf-8?q?_chasedouglas?= Message-ID: <20120919202051.4447.57@mangaba.canonical.com> Dear Wiki user, You have subscribed to a wiki page or wiki category on "Ubuntu Wiki" for change notification. The "DebuggingTouchpadDetection" page has been changed by chasedouglas: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingTouchpadDetection?action=diff&rev1=28&rev2=29 '''Before filing new bug please look in the '''common bugs''' section.''' + === Enabling right button click for clickpads on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS === + + Ubuntu 12.04 LTS added support for clickpads. The buttons are pressed by pressing the surface of the trackpad itself. All known clickpads, with the exception of the Apple Magic Trackpad, have indications on the trackpad for where the left and right buttons are. Clicking in the right button area should cause a right button click action. However, right button click support was added too late in the 12.04 LTS development cycle to be enabled by default. It is enabled by default in Ubuntu 12.10 and on. + + Fortunately, the right click functionality is present and working in the release. It simply needs to be enabled. The attached [[attachment:enable-rightbutton.sh]] script may be used to simplify the process. After downloading the script, execute the following: + + {{{ + $ chmod a+x enable-rightbutton.sh + $ ./enable-rightbutton.sh + }}} + + Be sure to use the device id or name of your specific trackpad. You can list the devices on your computer using the "xinput" command. + = Some general work flow for Triagers = If the features of your Touchpad (like Tapping, Scrolling) do '''not''' work at all. In this case, user will not see the '''Touchpad''' Tab in System>Administration>Mouse in Main menu. This means that Touchpad is misdetected as PS/2 mouse. Here the following workflow must be followed. From noreply at ubuntu.com Wed Sep 19 20:21:25 2012 From: noreply at ubuntu.com (Ubuntu Wiki) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 20:21:25 -0000 Subject: =?utf-8?q?New_attachment_added_to_page_DebuggingTouchpadDetection_on_Ubun?= =?utf-8?q?tu_Wiki?= Message-ID: <20120919202125.4429.71034@mangaba.canonical.com> Dear Wiki user, You have subscribed to a wiki page "DebuggingTouchpadDetection" for change notification. An attachment has been added to that page by chasedouglas. Following detailed information is available: Attachment name: enable-rightbutton.sh Attachment size: 500 Attachment link: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingTouchpadDetection?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=enable-rightbutton.sh Page link: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingTouchpadDetection From anne.schmidt at dbmail.com Thu Sep 20 05:18:00 2012 From: anne.schmidt at dbmail.com (anne.schmidt) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 07:18:00 +0200 Subject: Apport-collect thinks that a package is a third-party one although it's not Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brian at ubuntu.com Thu Sep 20 22:49:45 2012 From: brian at ubuntu.com (Brian Murray) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 15:49:45 -0700 Subject: Apport-collect thinks that a package is a third-party one although it's not In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120920224945.GK16533@murraytwins.com> On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 07:18:00AM +0200, anne.schmidt wrote: > Hi, > > First, I'd like to thank you for the marvellous work you're all doing on > Ubuntu. > > The problem I'm reporting now is related to Ubuntu Quantal-Quetzal Gnome Shell > Remix 12.10 alpha. I hope I'm doing right in emailing you because the whole > process described here seems quite complicated to me. Sorry, I'm slightly dumb > on procedures. > > On launching Quantal, "Appot-collect" launched itself saying Ubuntu 12.10 had > had a problem and asking if I wanted to report it. I clicked on "yes" and the > process begun. After a while, another window opened saying that the package > that had had a problem was a third-party package but the description said that > this package was "packagekit". This package belongs to Ubuntu 12.10. as you can > see: > > anne at anne-QuantalQuetzalGSR:~$ apt-cache policy packagekit > packagekit: > Installed: 0.7.6-1 > Candidate: 0.7.6-1 > Version table: > *** 0.7.6-1 0 > 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status > anne at anne-QuantalQuetzalGSR:~$ Something is wrong, or missing, with information in the version table shown above. I would also expect there to a location for the package listed there. For example here is what I have for one package: terminator: Installed: 0.96-0ubuntu1 Candidate: 0.96-0ubuntu1 Version table: *** 0.96-0ubuntu1 0 500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ quantal/universe amd64 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status The 500 line indicates where I installed the package from. Are you encountering this issue on a Live CD from which you haven't run apt-get update? Thanks for bringing this up! -- Brian Murray From nicholas.skaggs at canonical.com Fri Sep 21 12:37:20 2012 From: nicholas.skaggs at canonical.com (Nicholas Skaggs) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 08:37:20 -0400 Subject: Slow Ubuntu on Virtualbox In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <505C5F80.5010008@canonical.com> For 12.10 unity2d is no more. Therefore, the releases may seem slower to you depending on your hardware as you are now running unity3d inside vbox. Try the newer images, they are much better in this regard for llvm; beta2 included. If your using unity2d in vbox on precise, you should be fine. Nicholas On 09/18/2012 04:19 PM, Sanchit Gangwar wrote: > Hi! > > I've been noticing that Quantal releases have been too slow on > virtualbox. Is this due to the new LLVM implementation? > > Also, there was a complaint (question) > (http://askubuntu.com/questions/190330/slow-virtualbox-guest) > concerning slow speed of Precise on virtualbox, however for me Precise > works fine. > > Any ideas? > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crafty2judy at yahoo.com Fri Sep 21 13:03:47 2012 From: crafty2judy at yahoo.com (judith webster) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 06:03:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Pls remove me from mailing list Message-ID: <1348232627.13760.YahooMailClassic@web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Hi,    Not quite sure how I got on the e-mail list, but please remove my name.  I am a "tester" and refurbisher of many old computers.  But I'm not a coder!    Thank you for all you are doing.  Ubuntu Is the nicest O/S imaginable!  It is a great gift to society.     Best regards,     Gale Webster (brothergale) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The "DebuggingEmacs" page has been changed by era: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingEmacs?action=diff&rev1=11&rev2=12 Comment: Update for 2012; expand on installation logs = Introduction = - There are multiple Emacs packages, collectively referred to as "Emacsen". They all depend on a package called `emacsen-common`, and they are divided into "flavors". The main flavors are GNU Emacs (AKA FSF Emacs; `emacs23` and `emacs-snapshot`) and `xemacs21`. These in turn are divided into multiple packages, in order to separate architecture-independent components (for which only one package is needed) from architecture-dependent ones (which need to be built separately for each architecture), and mandatory components from optional ones. + There are multiple Emacs packages, collectively referred to as "Emacsen". They all depend on a package called `emacsen-common`, and they are divided into "flavors". The main flavors are GNU Emacs (AKA FSF Emacs; `emacs24` and `emacs23` etc) and `xemacs21`. These in turn are divided into multiple packages, in order to separate architecture-independent components (for which only one package is needed) from architecture-dependent ones (which need to be built separately for each architecture), and mandatory components from optional ones. - If you only need one Emacs flavor, the stable GNU Emacs (currently `emacs23`) is recommended. `emacs-snapshot` contains a relatively recent non-release version of the developer sources, though you might want to obtain a more recent version from a PPA or other non-Ubuntu source if you want the really latest and greatest. Finally, `xemacs21` is rather old and not very actively maintained, but if you are an Xemacs fan, it's still available. + If you only need one Emacs flavor, the stable GNU Emacs (currently `emacs24`) is recommended. At one point, Ubuntu provided an `emacs-snapshot` package containing a relatively recent non-release version of the developer sources; you can still find a PPA with what at least at some point contained the really latest and greatest. Finally, `xemacs21` is rather old and not very actively maintained, but if you are an Xemacs fan, it's still available. There is a plethora of Emacs add-on packages. Most of these are supported on all flavors, but there are notable exceptions. Some add-ons are not needed on some flavors, and some add-ons provide newer and / or different versions of components which are also included with a base Emacs install (e.g. Gnus). @@ -18, +18 @@ If you get an error message from Emacs, you may be able to trigger a backtrace which shows which Lisp functions were being processed when the error hit. Enable backtraces with `M-: (setq debug-on-error t)` and attach the `*Backtrace*` buffer to your bug report. + == Installation Logs == + + For many installation problems, you need to examine the installation logs. + + When you install with Synaptic or Update-Manager, the terminal log is not necessarily shown to you. You will need to examine your system's log files and dig out the useful information. + + + + If the problematic installation was part of an upgrade of your Ubuntu installation, the log file is `/var/log/dist-upgrade/term.log`; otherwise look for `/var/log/apt/term.log`. You will probably need `sudo` to access these read-protected files, or add yourself to the group `adm`). + + == Package Installation Errors == Apparent Emacs errors are often caused by an add-on package which contains a bug or incompatibility with the installed Emacs flavor. If `dpkg` prints an error message indicating that the package `postinst` failed, the actual error message is probably a few lines before this message in the `dpkg` output. + `emacs-install: /usr/lib/emacsen-common/packages/install/ecb emacs23 + ` failed at /usr/lib/emacsen-common/emacs-install line 28, line 17. + `dpkg: error processing emacs23 (--configure): + ` subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 + + This points to `ecb` as the culprit (bug || [[https://launchpad.net/bugs/466531|466531]] + + `dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of emacs: + ` emacs depends on emacs23 | emacs23-lucid | emacs23-nox; however: + ` Package emacs23 is not configured yet. + ` Package emacs23-lucid is not installed. + ` Package emacs23-nox is not installed. + `dpkg: error processing emacs (--configure): + ` dependency problems - leaving unconfigured + + This particular snippet just means that an earlier problem prevented Emacs from installing successfully. You need to go further back in the log file to see what's wrong. + == Byte Compilation Errors == A particular type of installation error is the byte compilation error. With `emacs22` and `emacs-snapshot` the terminal log will contain a message like this: + {{{ - `!! Byte-compilation for <> failed!`<
> + !! Byte-compilation for <> failed! - `!! This indicates a bug in one of the add-on packages`<
> + !! This indicates a bug in one of the add-on packages - `!! installed on your system, or a bug in Emacs itself.`<
> + !! installed on your system, or a bug in Emacs itself. - `!! Please file a bug report against <>`<
> + !! Please file a bug report against <> - `!! and attach the file /tmp/<>.<>` + !! and attach the file /tmp/<>.<> + }}} The file name will be different each time. This file is required in order to analyze the problem. @@ -41, +71 @@ You can file bugs against Emacs using Apport. - There is also the built-in`M-x emacs-bug-report` but it is not fully customized for sending bug reports to Ubuntu. + There is also the built-in `M-x emacs-bug-report` but it is not fully customized for sending bug reports to Ubuntu. = Bug tags = @@ -49, +79 @@ = How to Triage = - Apport bugs are generally triggered by a package failing to install, and usually include DpkgTerminalLog or VarDistUpgradeTermLog as an attachment; this log file is usually the first one to examine. + Apport bugs are generally triggered by a package failing to install, and usually include Dpkg``Terminal``Log or Var``DistUpgrade``Term``Log as an attachment; this log file is usually the first one to examine. If it's missing, see the section "Installation Logs" above. Typically, it will contain an error message near the end which indicate which package failed installation and why. From noreply at ubuntu.com Thu Sep 27 09:26:53 2012 From: noreply at ubuntu.com (Ubuntu Wiki) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 09:26:53 -0000 Subject: =?utf-8?q?=5BUbuntu_Wiki=5D_Update_of_=22DebuggingEmacs=22_by_era?= Message-ID: <20120927092653.999.44942@mangaba.canonical.com> Dear Wiki user, You have subscribed to a wiki page or wiki category on "Ubuntu Wiki" for change notification. The "DebuggingEmacs" page has been changed by era: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingEmacs?action=diff&rev1=13&rev2=14 Comment: #466531 is The Bug '''Open''' || '''Bug''' || '''Subject''' || '''Symptom''' || - || [[https://launchpad.net/bugs/8896|8896]] || The subject from LP || This bug can be identified by ... || + || [[https://launchpad.net/bugs/466531|466531]] || ecb: incompatible with emacs23, breaks installation / upgrade || The typical symptom is just the emacs23 post-install exiting with a non-zero exit code (but of course this is not the only reason that could happen; see triage tips above) || '''Closed''' || '''Bug''' || '''Subject''' || '''Symptom''' ||