From connor6892 at ovi.com Sat May 1 10:26:00 2010 From: connor6892 at ovi.com (Connor Russell) Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 11:26:00 +0100 Subject: Membership Request Message-ID: <20100501102600.5318E1A6D93@c-in3ws--02-02.sv2.lotusliveops.com> Hi, I'd like to join the bugsquad to help triage bugs. I've read and signed the Code of Conduct, and also read the Triage Guide. My launchpad ID is connor6892. Thanks, Connor -------------------------------------------------------------- Ovi Store: Fresh apps and more http://store.ovi.com/?cid=ovistore-fw-bac-na-acq-na-ovimail-g0-na-4 From hggdh2 at ubuntu.com Sat May 1 21:51:42 2010 From: hggdh2 at ubuntu.com (C de-Avillez) Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 16:51:42 -0500 Subject: Membership Request In-Reply-To: <20100501102600.5318E1A6D93@c-in3ws--02-02.sv2.lotusliveops.com> References: <20100501102600.5318E1A6D93@c-in3ws--02-02.sv2.lotusliveops.com> Message-ID: <1272750702.12385.0.camel@xango2> On Sat, 2010-05-01 at 11:26 +0100, Connor Russell wrote: > Hi, > > I'd like to join the bugsquad to help triage bugs. I've read and signed the Code of Conduct, and also read the Triage Guide. My launchpad ID is connor6892. > > Thanks, > > Connor Hi Connor, You are all set. Thank you for joining, and helping make Ubuntu better. Cheers, ..C.. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From hggdh2 at ubuntu.com Sun May 2 18:57:38 2010 From: hggdh2 at ubuntu.com (C de-Avillez) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 13:57:38 -0500 Subject: Apply for membership In-Reply-To: <201005021501.05333.sskyman@web.de> References: <201005021501.05333.sskyman@web.de> Message-ID: <1272826658.12385.4.camel@xango2> On Sun, 2010-05-02 at 15:00 +0200, Tobias Hirning wrote: > Hi! > > I would like to apply for membership on the BugSquad team please. :-) > > My Launchpad ID is: sskyman > I read the Triage Guide. Hello Tobias, You are all set. Thank you for joining and helping make Ubuntu better! ..C.. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Third point: even though you can upgrade via the update manager, I never recommend it.  Any one of the 200+ packages can become corrupted during download and extraction, thus breaking a system.  If you insert the Ubuntu install CD while logged into Ubuntu, you will be asked whether or not you want to upgrade your system.  This elimanates many packages having to be downloaded, and I believe leads to a better success rate in upgrading. Four point: Never worry when something like this happens, the entire community is here to help: ubuntuforums.org, this mailing list, help.ubuntu.com, etc.  Most of the time someone else has the same issue as you and the solution is easy.  Try finding that kind of support for Windows without paying :) Hope this helps! Dan Buhrman -- Sent from my Palm Pre On May 3, 2010 11:40 AM, Richard Frankowski <rfranko at telus.net> wrote: I upgraded my system to Ubuntu 10.04 today.  When I open any application the computer freezes.  I just lost 2 years of data.  Does anybody test this shit before posting upgrades?  Contact me on my XP account. Regards…….R. Frankowski -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brian at ubuntu.com Mon May 3 16:12:41 2010 From: brian at ubuntu.com (Brian Murray) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 09:12:41 -0700 Subject: Ubuntu 10.04 In-Reply-To: <19740415034512.047B03667C931062@edmwaa15.telusplanet.net> References: <19740415034512.047B03667C931062@edmwaa15.telusplanet.net> Message-ID: <20100503161241.GK2840@murraytwins.com> On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 05:52:05PM -0600, Richard Frankowski wrote: > I upgraded my system to Ubuntu 10.04 today. When I open any application the > computer freezes. I just lost 2 years of data. Does anybody test this shit > before posting upgrades? Contact me on my XP account. I'm sorry to hear about your experience. We do test upgrades [1] and Ubuntu [2] a lot before releasing it however we don't have access to every piece of hardware in the world. While I can understand your frustration it would be good to consider the fact that we put a lot of time and effort into Ubuntu and please bear in mind the Ubuntu Code of Conduct. One thing you might consider doing is running 10.04 as a Live CD and see if the situation persists. Then from there you might be able to get some further assistance at http://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ or by reporting a bug. [1] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/upgrade/all [2] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/all -- Brian Murray Ubuntu Bug Master -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From noreply at ubuntu.com Tue May 4 18:49:43 2010 From: noreply at ubuntu.com (=?utf-8?q?Ubuntu_Wiki_?=) Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 18:49:43 -0000 Subject: =?utf-8?q?=5BUbuntu_Wiki=5D_Update_of_=22Bugs/FindRightPackage=22_by_yofe?= =?utf-8?q?l?= Message-ID: <20100504184943.16180.54116@jostaberry.canonical.com> Dear Wiki user, You have subscribed to a wiki page or wiki category on "Ubuntu Wiki" for change notification. The following page has been changed by yofel: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage?action=diff&rev1=106&rev2=107 The comment on the change is: Add display manager for lxde: lxdm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ * In Ubuntu and Edubuntu it is `gdm`. * In Kubuntu it is `kdm`. + * In Lubuntu it is `lxdm`. === Graphical Environment === From zipperback at gmail.com Fri May 7 03:26:32 2010 From: zipperback at gmail.com (Jack Thomas) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 20:26:32 -0700 Subject: Hello Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list Message-ID: Hello, My name is Jack Thomas I just signed up for this ubuntu bug squad email list and I would like to become a member of the Ubuntu Bug Squad. On the web page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad it says the following: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you want to join the Bug Squad team you need to: * sign the Ubuntu Code of Conduct. * Read the Triage Guide. * Subscribe to the Bug Squad Mailing List If you completed the previous steps, apply for membership on the BugSquad team at Launchpad and send an email to the Bug Squad Mailing List, the email should contain at minimum: * Your Launchpad ID * A confirmation that you read the Triage Guide, if you have any questions please drop a separate email to the list. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have signed the Ubuntu Code of Conduct. I have read the Triage Guide. I have signed up for this mailing list. I have applied for membership as a BugSquad team member. My Launchpad id is: zipperback I confirm that I have read the Triage Guide. I am also an active member of the UbuntuForums.org website and my user name on the forums is: zipperback - Jack Thomas From hggdh2 at ubuntu.com Fri May 7 13:17:53 2010 From: hggdh2 at ubuntu.com (C de-Avillez) Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 08:17:53 -0500 Subject: Hello Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1273238273.15974.0.camel@xango2> On Thu, 2010-05-06 at 20:26 -0700, Jack Thomas wrote: > Hello, > > My name is Jack Thomas I just signed up for this ubuntu bug squad > email list and I would like to become a member of the Ubuntu Bug > Squad. > My Launchpad id is: zipperback > I confirm that I have read the Triage Guide. > > I am also an active member of the UbuntuForums.org website and my user > name on the forums is: zipperback Hello Jack, Welcome to the BugSquad, and thank you for helping make Ubuntu better. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate in asking them in this ML, or at irc.ubuntu.com, channel ubuntu-bugs. ..C.. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From tom at linux.com Fri May 7 17:45:34 2010 From: tom at linux.com (Thomas Rollins) Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 13:45:34 -0400 Subject: Becoming a member of the Ubuntu Bug Squad Message-ID: <1273254334.15317.11.camel@jag.optix.net> Hello, My name is Thomas Rollins I just signed up on the ubuntu bug squad mailing list and I would like to become a member of the Ubuntu Bug Squad. I have read and signed the Ubuntu Code of Conduct with my GPG key I have read the Triage Guide. I will be reading it again and again. I have signed up for this mailing list. My Launchpad id is: tlr I am also on the IRC channel #ubuntu-bug as "optix" Thank You -- Thomas Rollins < tom at linux.com > From timo.t.karki at gmail.com Sat May 8 11:19:51 2010 From: timo.t.karki at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Timo_K=E4rki?=) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 14:19:51 +0300 Subject: Joining to BugSquad Message-ID: Hi, My name is Timo Kärki I would like to become a member of the Ubuntu Bug Squad. I have read and signed the Ubuntu Code of Conduct I have read and understood the Triage Guide. I have signed up for this mailing list. My Launchpad id is: Yanti Kind Regards: Timo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From teppu06 at gmail.com Sat May 8 16:05:32 2010 From: teppu06 at gmail.com (Teemu Ilmakangas) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 19:05:32 +0300 Subject: Joining Message-ID: Hello, I'm Teemu Ilmakangas and I confirm thatI have read the Triage guide and I would like to join to the Ubuntu BugSquad. 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URL: From mailbox at mistrynitesh.net Wed May 12 18:24:43 2010 From: mailbox at mistrynitesh.net (Nitesh Mistry) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 23:54:43 +0530 Subject: Why join bugsquad? Message-ID: <20100512182442.GA3791@mistrys> No, don't get me wrong, but just wanted to know if there is any difference in previleges on launchpad for a person who is member of bugsquad or not a member. A quick flip through initial bugsquad docs did not mention anywhere that only bugsquad member, can work on bugs (i.e. make changes to the bug reports). I am asking this so that I can ask a user (non-member) to change the status of bugs to confirmed, etc. without being replied that 'I am unable the change the status'. Pardon me if this is mentioned somewhere in the bugsquad wiki pages but I could not lay my hands on. Regards, Nitesh From kartman314 at gmail.com Wed May 12 23:32:03 2010 From: kartman314 at gmail.com (Kevin Muran) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 16:32:03 -0700 Subject: My application to join BugSquad Message-ID: To whom it may concern, I have recently submitted an application to become a member of the BugSquad via Launchpad. This email is to provide you with what I believe is my Launchpad ID, https://launchpad.net/~kartman314, and to confirm that I have read the Triage Guide Documentation. If I have missed a required step in the appliaction process or failed to include any other needed information, contact me and I will do my best to comply. Thank you, -Kevin M. From macoafi at gmail.com Thu May 13 02:55:49 2010 From: macoafi at gmail.com (Mackenzie Morgan) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 22:55:49 -0400 Subject: Why join bugsquad? In-Reply-To: <20100512182442.GA3791@mistrys> References: <20100512182442.GA3791@mistrys> Message-ID: <201005122255.49985.macoafi@gmail.com> On Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:24:43 pm Nitesh Mistry wrote: > No, don't get me wrong, but just wanted to know if there is any > difference in previleges on launchpad for a person who is member of > bugsquad or not a member. A quick flip through initial bugsquad docs did > not mention anywhere that only bugsquad member, can work on bugs (i.e. > make changes to the bug reports). I am asking this so that I can ask a > user (non-member) to change the status of bugs to confirmed, etc. > without being replied that 'I am unable the change the status'. > > Pardon me if this is mentioned somewhere in the bugsquad wiki pages but > I could not lay my hands on. No there's no difference in privileges. Bug Control is the one with more privileges. I think joining BugSquad is more about the mentorship opportunities and the handy mailing list. -- Mackenzie Morgan http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com apt-get moo From hggdh2 at ubuntu.com Thu May 13 11:42:12 2010 From: hggdh2 at ubuntu.com (C de-Avillez) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 06:42:12 -0500 Subject: Why join bugsquad? In-Reply-To: <20100512182442.GA3791@mistrys> References: <20100512182442.GA3791@mistrys> Message-ID: <1273750932.2485.7.camel@xango2> On Wed, 2010-05-12 at 23:54 +0530, Nitesh Mistry wrote: > No, don't get me wrong, but just wanted to know if there is any > difference in previleges on launchpad for a person who is member of > bugsquad or not a member. A quick flip through initial bugsquad docs did > not mention anywhere that only bugsquad member, can work on bugs (i.e. > make changes to the bug reports). I am asking this so that I can ask a > user (non-member) to change the status of bugs to confirmed, etc. > without being replied that 'I am unable the change the status'. > > Pardon me if this is mentioned somewhere in the bugsquad wiki pages but > I could not lay my hands on. Not really clear, indeed. We will make it clearer. Sorry. In terms of special privileges for bug work, no, there is no difference in joining (or not) BugSquad. If you want to move on to BugControl, then... yes, you should first join BugSquad. Bug access privileges start to be available on BugControl, and one of the requirements to join BugControl is to have a track record on BugSquad work. You might look at it this way: when you join the Ubuntu BugSquad, the princical message you are passing is that you are really interested in helping triage bugs. Good question :-) Thank you, -- C de-Avillez IRC: hggdh -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From qense at ubuntu.com Thu May 13 16:08:25 2010 From: qense at ubuntu.com (Sense Hofstede) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 18:08:25 +0200 Subject: BugSquad Meeting Times In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 13 May 2010 17:34, Draycen DeCator wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I was wondering if it would be possible for us to have different times that > BugSquad meetings are held that we can alternate through each month. Right > now, having the same time every month, many team members may not be able to > make it due to their timezone, or due to obligations at that time. For > example, I have yet to make it to a BugSquad meeting because I am in class > during that time. I don't have any suggestions for what the times could be > (probably just two different times to keep it simple?) but I just want to > open this to discussion. > > Thanks, > Draycen DeCator [ddecator] > Hello, It is true that in a global community it is very hard to pick times that are fine with everyone. Rotating them seems like the best idea, but I wouldn't use too many different times. What I'd suggest is to pick two times and strive to cover as much of the world as possible with those two times and alternate them every week. Regards, -- Sense Hofstede [ˈsɛn.sə ˈɦɔf.steː.də] From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Thu May 13 16:12:41 2010 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 10:12:41 -0600 Subject: BugSquad Meeting Times In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100513101241.7e796eaa@teamcharliesangels.com> On Thu, 13 May 2010 18:08:25 +0200 Sense Hofstede wrote: > On 13 May 2010 17:34, Draycen DeCator wrote: > > Hey everyone, > > > > I was wondering if it would be possible for us to have different times that > > BugSquad meetings are held that we can alternate through each month. Right > > now, having the same time every month, many team members may not be able to > > make it due to their timezone, or due to obligations at that time. For > > example, I have yet to make it to a BugSquad meeting because I am in class > > during that time. I don't have any suggestions for what the times could be > > (probably just two different times to keep it simple?) but I just want to > > open this to discussion. > > > > Thanks, > > Draycen DeCator [ddecator] > > > Hello, > > It is true that in a global community it is very hard to pick times > that are fine with everyone. Rotating them seems like the best idea, > but I wouldn't use too many different times. > > What I'd suggest is to pick two times and strive to cover as much of > the world as possible with those two times and alternate them every > week. > > > Regards, I second this idea. Even alternating times by 8 hours every other week allows more people to attend at least one of the meetings. -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From joaquinruizluque at gmail.com Fri May 14 01:55:20 2010 From: joaquinruizluque at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Joaqu=EDn_Ruiz_Luque?=) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 22:55:20 -0300 Subject: New Member Message-ID: Hi! My Launchpad ID is drkenobi Yes, I have read the Triage Guide -- www.joaquin.com.ar -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cyan.spam at gmail.com Fri May 14 15:18:29 2010 From: cyan.spam at gmail.com (David Tombs) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 11:18:29 -0400 Subject: Hello, I faces with bug. What is this?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BED69C5.3080707@gmail.com> On 05/11/2010 11:59 PM, 조정욱 wrote: > > > Hello, everyone. > > I ran programs in ubuntu 9.04. > The machine has 4 cores which frequency is 1Ghz. > The memory size is 4Gbyte. > > > I ran 4 programs and then the message appeared. > > > > [ 2192.584002] BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 61s! [pdflush:47] > [ 2226.941502] BUG: soft lockup - CPU#3 stuck for 61s! > [hald-addon-acpi:2246] > [ 2229.089002] BUG: soft lockup - CPU#2 stuck for 61s! > [console-kit-dae:2124] > [ 2258.080021] BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 61s! [pdflush:47] > > I wander the meaning of [ 2258.080021]. > And what is soft lockup?? Is it lock the core hold?? > Lastly, in 61s! , s means second?? > > And is there any method to avoid this problems? > Hi, The numbers in brackets [] are the timestamps of the messages, so [ 2192.584002] means it's been about 2192 seconds since the computer has booted. This definitely sounds like a kernel bug to me, you might want to check out or file your own bug report with "ubuntu-bug linux". Thanks! David From andreas at noteng.no Fri May 14 17:00:28 2010 From: andreas at noteng.no (Andreas Noteng) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 19:00:28 +0200 Subject: Kernel source packages Message-ID: <4BED81AC.4080805@noteng.no> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello, I'm git-bisecting a kernel bug, but my computer is really slow and the kernels takes forever to build. So I was thinking about making launchpad build it for me in a PPA. How can I create a source package from the current revision in the kernel git-bisect? (lucid kernel if it matters...) Regards Andreas Noteng -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkvtgasACgkQc3gI15Pmn+9dPACfcTIRHXfBPQHGSvVsVpnPS1Zs Iq4An1T6zIubXHiNZedzFiCe3HB7LDy/ =y1uH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From liquidiridium2 at gmail.com Sat May 15 20:59:40 2010 From: liquidiridium2 at gmail.com (Liquidiridium) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 22:59:40 +0200 Subject: membership request Message-ID: <4BEF0B3C.4090508@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I would like the join the Bug Squad. My Launchpad ID is liquidiridium2, I've read the triage guide and I signed the code of conduct. Danielle -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJL7ws8AAoJEDGzFad4giENFLEH/jewIBEXf5vFAL+gh1JmXnf4 ornDG7pjMBavd5HGNMKvN9gYwYVWpmf8dkP/u4+vvj6JPrMf3hLsT8m32oJeUaqf rl1iXXxRvQpkF0P9Zz5oOHtqPV8kzafN5XmiIthyMRnorlQcIEeKlnxgIyvc1MZT 6neaYYLpmyCXc9w0xzPGt431UtsOPhjwqPO0r4uKhK3/MVhNG9/4OMtlpLCx3JLk il8sBSdSd6wCWaBaaMZTadT7Bb4YYU3XweyBQrGvbNHIN8tUskHjrfuFxuf/Wxvn xOJnkQ9KPjBtEZWwvEjtsti+6KFva5IU11cRMDS/n4vu3CETLdxbfKl8K16/aVk= =82Px -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From christopher.hotchkiss at gmail.com Sun May 16 01:22:32 2010 From: christopher.hotchkiss at gmail.com (Christopher Hotchkiss) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 21:22:32 -0400 Subject: Membership Request Message-ID: Hello everyone, I would like to join the ubuntu bug squad. I have read the triage guide, joined the mailing list and signed the code of conduct. My launchpad id is: https://launchpad.net/~christopher-hotchkiss -- Christopher Hotchkiss "chotchki" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From zusvonnelem at gmail.com Sun May 16 11:24:58 2010 From: zusvonnelem at gmail.com (Zus Von Nelem) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 07:24:58 -0400 Subject: joining the bug squad Message-ID: hello i have met all the requirements: joining the mailing list and reading the triage guide here is my launchpad id: https://launchpad.net/~zusvonnelem thank you zus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anirban.pal.2009 at gmail.com Sun May 16 18:04:15 2010 From: anirban.pal.2009 at gmail.com (Anirban Pal) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 23:34:15 +0530 Subject: Membership request in bug squad Message-ID: Hi, I am interested to join the bug squad.Please accept my request. I have read the triage guide and signed the code of conduct. My launchpad id is: https://launchpad.net/~anirban-pal-2009 Thanks Anirban -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hggdh2 at ubuntu.com Sat May 15 00:14:43 2010 From: hggdh2 at ubuntu.com (C de-Avillez) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 19:14:43 -0500 Subject: BugSquad Meeting Times In-Reply-To: <20100513101241.7e796eaa@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <20100513101241.7e796eaa@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <1273882483.2551.1.camel@xango2> On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 10:12 -0600, Charlie Kravetz wrote: > > It is true that in a global community it is very hard to pick times > > that are fine with everyone. Rotating them seems like the best idea, > > but I wouldn't use too many different times. > > > > What I'd suggest is to pick two times and strive to cover as much of > > the world as possible with those two times and alternate them every > > week. > > > > > > Regards, > > I second this idea. Even alternating times by 8 hours every other week > allows more people to attend at least one of the meetings. +1. I think we should consider voting for the times, now... Cheers, ..C.. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mrand at pobox.com Mon May 17 03:26:36 2010 From: mrand at pobox.com (Marc Randolph) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 22:26:36 -0500 Subject: BugSquad Meeting Times In-Reply-To: <1273882483.2551.1.camel@xango2> References: <20100513101241.7e796eaa@teamcharliesangels.com> <1273882483.2551.1.camel@xango2> Message-ID: On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 7:14 PM, C de-Avillez wrote: > On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 10:12 -0600, Charlie Kravetz wrote: >> > >> > It is true that in a global community it is very hard to pick times >> > that are fine with everyone. Rotating them seems like the best idea, >> > but I wouldn't use too many different times. >> > >> > What I'd suggest is to pick two times and strive to cover as much of >> > the world as possible with those two times and alternate them every >> > week. >> >> I second this idea. Even alternating times by 8 hours every other week >> allows more people to attend at least one of the meetings. > > +1. > > I think we should consider voting for the times, now... Let's try a web 2.0 tool for this! Place your Bug Squad meeting time availability on the site below, using UTC, not your local time. http://www.when2meet.com/?30657-7nGss I've never used it before, but I assume that we'll be able to glean more than one good meeting time. Anyone and everyone is welcome to put their times in, but please only do so if you are serious about attending the meeting. have fun! Marc From rohan16garg at gmail.com Mon May 17 10:17:32 2010 From: rohan16garg at gmail.com (Rohan Garg) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 15:47:32 +0530 Subject: Application For joining Bug squad Message-ID: Hi My name is Rohan Garg, I am a B. Tech student pursuing ECE in India, and i would like to help out the ubuntu bug squad from now on.I have already triaged a few bugs earlier and have also provided answers on answers.launchpad.net apart from packaging a few KDE apps in my PPA. 1) My launchpad id is : rohangarg 2) Yes,i have read the bug triaging guide Regards Rohan Garg www.launchpad.net/~rohangarg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brian at ubuntu.com Mon May 17 15:43:30 2010 From: brian at ubuntu.com (Brian Murray) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 08:43:30 -0700 Subject: Hello, I faces with bug. What is this?? In-Reply-To: <4BED69C5.3080707@gmail.com> References: <4BED69C5.3080707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100517154330.GY29399@murraytwins.com> On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 11:18:29AM -0400, David Tombs wrote: > On 05/11/2010 11:59 PM, 조정욱 wrote: > > > > > > Hello, everyone. > > > > I ran programs in ubuntu 9.04. > > The machine has 4 cores which frequency is 1Ghz. > > The memory size is 4Gbyte. > > > > > > I ran 4 programs and then the message appeared. > > > > > > > > [ 2192.584002] BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 61s! [pdflush:47] > > [ 2226.941502] BUG: soft lockup - CPU#3 stuck for 61s! > > [hald-addon-acpi:2246] > > [ 2229.089002] BUG: soft lockup - CPU#2 stuck for 61s! > > [console-kit-dae:2124] > > [ 2258.080021] BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 61s! [pdflush:47] > > > > I wander the meaning of [ 2258.080021]. > > And what is soft lockup?? Is it lock the core hold?? > > Lastly, in 61s! , s means second?? > > > > And is there any method to avoid this problems? > > > > Hi, > > The numbers in brackets [] are the timestamps of the messages, so > [ 2192.584002] means it's been about 2192 seconds since the computer has > booted. > > This definitely sounds like a kernel bug to me, you might want to check > out or > file your own bug report with "ubuntu-bug linux". Thanks! Please keep in mind that linux, the kernel for Ubuntu, is a very hardware specific package and subsequently the best thing to do is submit a new bug report as you likely have different hardware, or a different BIOS version, as other bug reporters. -- Brian Murray Ubuntu Bug Master -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From javivi72 at gmail.com Fri May 7 17:15:10 2010 From: javivi72 at gmail.com (Javier =?iso-8859-1?q?L=F3pez_P=E9rez?=) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 18:15:10 +0100 Subject: Trying to report a bug through launchpad without success Message-ID: <201005071815.11119.javivi72@gmail.com> Dear all, Sorry if this not the proper list to ask, but it is the only one I have found. I am trying to report a bug through launchpad (I already opened an account), but I seem to be unable. [Although I know this is not a list for reporting bugs, I will clarify that the bug in question is a missing symbolic link in package lib32stdc++6, that is, a 32 bit library for a 64 bit Lucid installation; there should be a soft link from /usr/lib32/libstdc++.so to /usr/lib32/libstdc++.so.6, but there isn't]. I have tried to do as the howto on reporting bugs says to open a new bug: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lib32stdc++6/+filebug?no-redirect (in case there is some problem with the + character I have also tried: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lib32stdc%2B%2B6/+filebug?no-redirect) but I get an error page stating that there is no such package. Any help in reporting the bug would be greatly appreciated, as without the symbolic link (that I had to create manually) no 32 bit C++ compilation in a 64 bit machine is possible. Thank you very much in advanced. PS: I am not subscribed to the list, so forward any answer to my email, please. Thanks! -- Javier López From yo at elopio.net Fri May 7 19:16:25 2010 From: yo at elopio.net (Leo Arias F.) Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 13:16:25 -0600 Subject: introduction Message-ID: <4BE46709.4060209@elopio.net> Hello bug squad, I've just joined the team. My name is Leo Arias, and I'm from Costa Rica. I'll be happy to help as much as I can. I'm also interested in the Mentoring Programme. I filled all the information required in my wiki page and in launchpad. You can find my application here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/elopio#Application%20for%20Bug%20Squad%20mentoring%20programme Is there any mentor that would like to adopt me? :) thanks, pura vida. -- ¡paz y baile! http://elopio.net From carl.anderson at gmail.com Mon May 10 17:00:03 2010 From: carl.anderson at gmail.com (Carl Anderson) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 12:00:03 -0500 Subject: Upgrade disaster - grub update failed and now my machine won't boot Message-ID: I went through the GUI upgrade from 9.04 to 10.04 last night. I habitually keep my machine up to date, so this upgrade was not from some random or uncommon configuration. Everything went fine until grub was being installed / upgraded. I got a popup asking me to select a device where grub should be installed - in a way it resembled fdisk output, there were the individual devices listed (/dev/sda, /dev/sdb, etc) as well as the individual partitions on each. I selected the partition that contains my kernel images /dev/sda2 and tried to install grub there. I saw a message saying that the operation failed. Luckily I was able to retry selecting a partition and so I select different partitions. I ended up trying all of my partitions individually until I had tried them all. I got the impression that I needed to select the drive device rather than the partition. So I ended up selecting both /dev/sda and /dev/sdb and none of the individual partitions. It reported success and continued on the upgrade. When it came time to reboot, I discovered that the machine was locked at the point where GRUB usually pops up with a kernel selection. I don't see anything but a black screen. I sure wish I knew what I did wrong! Any help is appreciated - I'm writing from my work machine and won't be able to try anything until i get home tonight. Carl Anderson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl.anderson at gmail.com Mon May 10 17:05:08 2010 From: carl.anderson at gmail.com (Carl Anderson) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 12:05:08 -0500 Subject: Upgrade disaster - grub update failed and now my machine won't boot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Also, I meant to say I went from 9.10 to 10.04, not 9.04. I had followed the instructions and had just upgraded all my 9.10 packages before doing the 10.04 upgrade... Carl On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Carl Anderson wrote: > I went through the GUI upgrade from 9.04 to 10.04 last night. I habitually > keep my machine up to date, so this upgrade was not from some random or > uncommon configuration. > > Everything went fine until grub was being installed / upgraded. I got a > popup asking me to select a device where grub should be installed - in a way > it resembled fdisk output, there were the individual devices listed > (/dev/sda, /dev/sdb, etc) as well as the individual partitions on each. I > selected the partition that contains my kernel images /dev/sda2 and tried to > install grub there. I saw a message saying that the operation failed. > Luckily I was able to retry selecting a partition and so I select different > partitions. I ended up trying all of my partitions individually until I had > tried them all. I got the impression that I needed to select the drive > device rather than the partition. So I ended up selecting both /dev/sda and > /dev/sdb and none of the individual partitions. It reported success and > continued on the upgrade. When it came time to reboot, I discovered that > the machine was locked at the point where GRUB usually pops up with a kernel > selection. I don't see anything but a black screen. > > I sure wish I knew what I did wrong! > > Any help is appreciated - I'm writing from my work machine and won't be > able to try anything until i get home tonight. > > Carl Anderson > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noreply at ubuntu.com Mon May 17 08:49:47 2010 From: noreply at ubuntu.com (=?utf-8?q?Ubuntu_Wiki_?=) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 08:49:47 -0000 Subject: =?utf-8?q?=5BUbuntu_Wiki=5D_Update_of_=22Bugs/Responses=22_by_jibel?= Message-ID: <20100517084947.5630.75704@jostaberry.canonical.com> Dear Wiki user, You have subscribed to a wiki page or wiki category on "Ubuntu Wiki" for change notification. The following page has been changed by jibel: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses?action=diff&rev1=293&rev2=294 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Before using this, ''please'' check "rmadison " to see if the package version has changed between when the bug was reported and the current development release. If it has not changed, there is no need to ask. If it has changed, check the changelog (via aptitude changelog $PKGNAME) to see if this issue has been specifically addressed. - || Thank you for taking the time to report this bug and helping to make Ubuntu better. The issue that you reported is one that should be reproducible with the live environment of the Desktop CD of the development release - Lucid Lynx. It would help us greatly if you could test with it so we can work on getting it fixed in the next release of Ubuntu. You can find out more about the development release at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/ . 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It won't be fixed in previous versions of Ubuntu because the package doesn't fit the requirements for backporting. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports for more information. || == Reported by someone not respecting the Code of Conduct == From brian at ubuntu.com Mon May 17 16:43:14 2010 From: brian at ubuntu.com (Brian Murray) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 09:43:14 -0700 Subject: Trying to report a bug through launchpad without success In-Reply-To: <201005071815.11119.javivi72@gmail.com> References: <201005071815.11119.javivi72@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100517164313.GZ29399@murraytwins.com> On Fri, May 07, 2010 at 06:15:10PM +0100, Javier López Pérez wrote: > Dear all, > > Sorry if this not the proper list to ask, but it is the only > one I have found. > > I am trying to report a bug through launchpad (I already > opened an account), but I seem to be unable. > > [Although I know this is not a list for reporting bugs, I > will clarify that the bug in question is a missing symbolic > link in package lib32stdc++6, that is, a 32 bit library for > a 64 bit Lucid installation; there should be a soft link > from /usr/lib32/libstdc++.so to /usr/lib32/libstdc++.so.6, > but there isn't]. > > I have tried to do as the howto on reporting bugs says to > open a new bug: > http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lib32stdc++6/+filebug?no-redirect > (in case there is some problem with the + character I have > also tried: > http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lib32stdc%2B%2B6/+filebug?no-redirect) > > but I get an error page stating that there is no such > package. Bugs need to be reported against source packages, not the binary packages produced by them. 'apt-cache show lib32stdc++6' can help you out: ... Source: gcc-4.4 ... Another way to approach this would have been to use "Find a Package" search feature at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu. -- Brian Murray Ubuntu Bug Master -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From gomyhr at gmail.com Mon May 17 16:41:23 2010 From: gomyhr at gmail.com (Geir Ove Myhr) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 18:41:23 +0200 Subject: Trying to report a bug through launchpad without success In-Reply-To: <201005071815.11119.javivi72@gmail.com> References: <201005071815.11119.javivi72@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Javier, lib32stdc++6 is a binary package, and bugs are filed against the corresponding source package (hence the .../+source/... in the URL). On http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/lib32stdc++6 you can see that lib32stdc++6 comes from the source package gcc-4.4. So the URL you are looking for is http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-4.4/+filebug?no-redirect Geir Ove 2010/5/7 Javier López Pérez : > Dear all, > > Sorry if this not the proper list to ask, but it is the only > one I have found. > > I am trying to report a bug through launchpad (I already > opened an account), but I seem to be unable. > > [Although I know this is not a list for reporting bugs, I > will clarify that the bug in question is a missing symbolic > link in package lib32stdc++6, that is, a 32 bit library for > a 64 bit Lucid installation; there should be a soft link > from /usr/lib32/libstdc++.so to /usr/lib32/libstdc++.so.6, > but there isn't]. > > I have tried to do as the howto on reporting bugs says to > open a new bug: > http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lib32stdc++6/+filebug?no-redirect > (in case there is some problem with the + character I have > also tried: > http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lib32stdc%2B%2B6/+filebug?no-redirect) > > but I get an error page stating that there is no such > package. > > Any help in reporting the bug would be greatly appreciated, > as without the symbolic link (that I had to create > manually) no 32 bit C++ compilation in a 64 bit machine is > possible. > > Thank you very much in advanced. > > PS: I am not subscribed to the list, so forward any answer > to my email, please. Thanks! > > -- > Javier López > > > -- > Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list > Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad > From cyan.spam at gmail.com Mon May 17 16:45:12 2010 From: cyan.spam at gmail.com (David Tombs) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 12:45:12 -0400 Subject: Upgrade disaster - grub update failed and now my machine won't boot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BF17298.7020302@gmail.com> Hi Carl, Sorry that your upgrade experience was so terrible. I'm not too familiar with GRUB, but I can point you to the options on where you may be able to find help. This list is not for support discussions and you will probably have better luck there. Thanks, David On 05/10/2010 01:05 PM, Carl Anderson wrote: > Also, I meant to say I went from 9.10 to 10.04, not 9.04. I had > followed the instructions and had just upgraded all my 9.10 packages > before doing the 10.04 upgrade... > > Carl > > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Carl Anderson > wrote: > > I went through the GUI upgrade from 9.04 to 10.04 last night. I > habitually keep my machine up to date, so this upgrade was not from > some random or uncommon configuration. > > Everything went fine until grub was being installed / upgraded. I > got a popup asking me to select a device where grub should be > installed - in a way it resembled fdisk output, there were the > individual devices listed (/dev/sda, /dev/sdb, etc) as well as the > individual partitions on each. I selected the partition that > contains my kernel images /dev/sda2 and tried to install grub > there. I saw a message saying that the operation failed. Luckily I > was able to retry selecting a partition and so I select different > partitions. I ended up trying all of my partitions individually > until I had tried them all. I got the impression that I needed to > select the drive device rather than the partition. So I ended up > selecting both /dev/sda and /dev/sdb and none of the individual > partitions. It reported success and continued on the upgrade. When > it came time to reboot, I discovered that the machine was locked at > the point where GRUB usually pops up with a kernel selection. I > don't see anything but a black screen. > > I sure wish I knew what I did wrong! > > Any help is appreciated - I'm writing from my work machine and won't > be able to try anything until i get home tonight. > > Carl Anderson > > From hggdh2 at ubuntu.com Mon May 17 17:57:07 2010 From: hggdh2 at ubuntu.com (C de-Avillez) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 12:57:07 -0500 Subject: [Ubuntu-bugcontrol] Application from Jeremy Bicha (jbicha) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1274119027.14599.97.camel@xango2> On Thu, 2010-05-06 at 20:44 +0300, Jeremy Bicha wrote: Hello Jeremy, and thank you for your interest in helping. We *do* appreciate it. > 1. Do you promise to be polite to bug reporters even if they are rude > to you or Ubuntu? Have you signed the Ubuntu Code of Conduct? > > Yes, I promise to be polite to bug reporters even if they are not-polite to me or my friends. I signed the Code of Conduct 4 years ago so it's about time I get more involved! > 2. Have you read Bugs/HowToTriage, Bugs/Assignment, Bugs/Status and > Bugs/Importance? Do you have any questions about that documentation? > > Yes, I've read through the wiki. No questions at this time but I know where to ask questions if needed. > 3. What sensitive data should you look for in a private Apport crash > report bug before making it public? See Bugs/HowToTriage for more > information. > > Passwords & private keys, personally identifiable information (name and username are ok, I'd look for things like address, credit card info), CoreDump.gz > 4. Is there a particular package or group of packages that you are > interested in helping out with? > > 6 months ago, I took a special interest in Edubuntu, and have subscribed to their bugs. I help out occasionally with a wide variety of bugs that interest or affect me. > 5. Please list five or more bugs which you have triaged. These bugs > should demonstrate your understanding of the triage process and how to > properly handle bugs. If there is a bug in your list that does not > have an importance indicate what importance (and explain the > reasoning) you would give it after becoming a member of Ubuntu Bug > Control. Please use urls in your list of bugs. > > I presume I can list bugs that I've reported too. You can list bugs you have reported, as long as they indicate a triaging flow *you* performed. Usually this is not the case, though. So, in general, one should not use one's own bugs as the examples we seek. On the example bugs you provided us, I can see you seem to know the process... but not all bugs show *you* triaging. Even more, you do not suggest an Importance on most of them. I will use this reply to try and clarify the process a bit more. *WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR* First of all, given a problem, we must identify the root cause(s) from the description and supporting documentation (and keep in mind that correlation is not causation). For example, "I cannot run Ubuntu" states a *consequence* -- we must now go and try to find out what *causes* this failure. Triaging deals with this process. After root causes are identified, one can then go and develop a fix (or invalidate the problem, as needed)-- but this is problem _resolution_, not problem triaging! We are trying to verify your knowledge of triaging (and, specifically, your knowledge of the Ubuntu processes for bug triaging). This involves a series of things: * how you interact with the original poster (OP): being courteous is as important as being knowledgeable. Even more, courtesy is not an inbred trait, but must be exercised continuously. * explaining why some action is needed and how to get it done. We should never assume (unless we know the OP) that the OP understands Ubuntu, Linux, etc. * explaining the reason of a status change. We should not blindly change the status (or importance) of a bug. Always add a sentence, or comment, on the reason. * your problem identification process. How -- and why! -- you identified the basic issue, your backtracks ("I am sorry, but indeed my previous explanation/view/analysis in comment xx was wrong because of whadda gimpa blahblah"), etc. * keep in mind that others will (eventually) read the bug and its comments, trying to figure out what to do. Please make their life easier. Explain. Comment. Point out examples. By giving us 5 bugs you triaged, you provide us with a chance to glimpse your work on this area. We are not required to search for your contributions, although we *can* do so. *HAH! SO YOU _CAN_ SEARCH. WHY DON'T YOU, AND FREE ME FROM DOING IT?* Well. If you cannot be bothered with finding five bugs to show your work, why should *we* be bothered to search for it? Yes, we understand you are most probably busy, perhaps within the Ubuntu community, perhaps without. But, most of the times, so are we. You spend some time selecting your five examples of bug triaging, and we spend some time reviewing them. You can *choose* which ones to show off, and we will accept them. *WHY DO I NEED TO PROVIDE MY VIEW OF IMPORTANCE?* The most important difference between a triager-at-large and a bug-controller is the ability to set the bug's importance. Yes, there are other differences, but I personally do not consider them as critical. As such, it stands to reason that we want to know your view on what would be the importance. You may even disagree with the one set in the bug, this is acceptable. But you *must* give us your view on the importance, and you *must* explain why. *SO YOU ARE ACTUALLY AN ELITIST* No, we are not. Er, yes, perhaps we are. Both apply. As a bug-controller you will have more access and control over what bugs are looked at, and worked on. This has been discussed many times, and is still being discussed. What we are doing here is our consensus, as of now. Again, it stands to reason that we should be a bit more selective. And, after all, we are not requiring too much: * sign the Ubuntu Code of Conduct -- this is basic. Being nice *is* a requirement, and I personally fully support it. This is one of the major differences between Ubuntu and other projects -- we strive to be nice to others. * understand the triaging flow for Ubuntu -- note that this is for *Ubuntu*. Eventually, one will also work with upstreams, and knowing *their* bug flow will then apply. * privacy considerations -- every so often a bug will have private (or potentially private) data. One should be careful, and respect the OP's privacy. * five bugs showing one's understanding of the three bullets above. I posit this is not unreasonable. > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/marble/+bug/574450 User > looking for marble wallpaper Correct answer, but too terse. Lacks being nice, and an explanation of how to install the wallpaper. Also lacks an explanation of why it was set to Invalid. > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gramps/+bug/549045 Feature > freeze exception request Good work, and good catch. But I do not see your triaging knowledge being used. > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/527503 > Icons not showing in KDE/XFCE I cannot see triaging work done by you here. You found a bug, and reported it, that's all. > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdegames/+bug/527516 > Missing .desktop icons, I would mark this as Low since it is a > cosmetic/usability issue This, again, is a bug you reported (and was triaged by somebody else). I cannot really see your triaging skill in use here. Agree on Importance. > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/moodle/+bug/452622 Incorrect > config, wrote patch Again a bug you opened. A question I have is *why* a second patch was necessary -- why is maintaining localhost important? Yes, I know why, but not everybody does. This bug shows your skill on identifying an issue, and fixing it. But I cannot see your skills on triaging. > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/launchpad-integration/+bug/477685 > Action should have ellipsis, submitted bzr branch Another good example of finding and fixing an issue, but not of triaging. On the other hand, this is a good example of *why* commenting on one's action is important -- Seb disregarded your branch because there was no comment about it. > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/516600 > Report a Problem didn't work in newly uploaded version Another nice example of bug reporting. But, again, I cannot see your triaging skills at work. +0.5 I personally think you do qualify, but I cannot see supporting bugs for it. Cheers, ..C.. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stefanivarsson at aol.se Mon May 17 19:03:21 2010 From: stefanivarsson at aol.se (Stefan Ivarsson) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 21:03:21 +0200 Subject: [Ubuntu-bugcontrol] Application from Jeremy Bicha (jbicha) In-Reply-To: <1274119027.14599.97.camel@xango2> References: <1274119027.14599.97.camel@xango2> Message-ID: Hi I have followed this list (ubuntu-bugscontrol) for about 3 months. This is my first insight into what is actually happening in this sub-culture. I have been working with IT/IS related questions for close to 15 years and have tried Linux for the last two. I thought that I was ready to start helping but after having read this I realize my skills are far below what is expected of the community. I have read the triage guide. I have a launchpad ID. I have subscribed to the list .I have read, understood and signed the Ubuntu CoC. Unfortunately, I do not see how I can help and if anyone would appreciate it. BRGDS //stefanivarsson On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 7:57 PM, C de-Avillez wrote: > On Thu, 2010-05-06 at 20:44 +0300, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > > Hello Jeremy, and thank you for your interest in helping. We *do* > appreciate it. > > > 1. Do you promise to be polite to bug reporters even if they are rude > > to you or Ubuntu? Have you signed the Ubuntu Code of Conduct? > > > Yes, I promise to be polite to bug reporters even if they are > not-polite to me or my friends. I signed the Code of Conduct 4 years ago so > it's about time I get more involved! > > 2. Have you read Bugs/HowToTriage, Bugs/Assignment, Bugs/Status and > > Bugs/Importance? Do you have any questions about that documentation? > > > Yes, I've read through the wiki. No questions at this time but I know > where to ask questions if needed. > > 3. What sensitive data should you look for in a private Apport crash > > report bug before making it public? See Bugs/HowToTriage for more > > information. > > > Passwords & private keys, personally identifiable information (name and > username are ok, I'd look for things like address, credit card info), > CoreDump.gz > > 4. Is there a particular package or group of packages that you are > > interested in helping out with? > > > 6 months ago, I took a special interest in Edubuntu, and have > subscribed to their bugs. I help out occasionally with a wide variety of > bugs that interest or affect me. > > 5. Please list five or more bugs which you have triaged. These bugs > > should demonstrate your understanding of the triage process and how to > > properly handle bugs. If there is a bug in your list that does not > > have an importance indicate what importance (and explain the > > reasoning) you would give it after becoming a member of Ubuntu Bug > > Control. Please use urls in your list of bugs. > > > I presume I can list bugs that I've reported too. > > You can list bugs you have reported, as long as they indicate a triaging > flow *you* performed. Usually this is not the case, though. So, in > general, one should not use one's own bugs as the examples we seek. On > the example bugs you provided us, I can see you seem to know the > process... but not all bugs show *you* triaging. Even more, you do not > suggest an Importance on most of them. > > I will use this reply to try and clarify the process a bit more. > > *WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR* > > First of all, given a problem, we must identify the root cause(s) from > the description and supporting documentation (and keep in mind that > correlation is not causation). For example, "I cannot run Ubuntu" states > a *consequence* -- we must now go and try to find out what *causes* this > failure. Triaging deals with this process. After root causes are > identified, one can then go and develop a fix (or invalidate the > problem, as needed)-- but this is problem _resolution_, not problem > triaging! > > We are trying to verify your knowledge of triaging (and, specifically, > your knowledge of the Ubuntu processes for bug triaging). This involves > a series of things: > > * how you interact with the original poster (OP): being courteous is as > important as being knowledgeable. Even more, courtesy is not an inbred > trait, but must be exercised continuously. > * explaining why some action is needed and how to get it done. We should > never assume (unless we know the OP) that the OP understands Ubuntu, > Linux, etc. > * explaining the reason of a status change. We should not blindly change > the status (or importance) of a bug. Always add a sentence, or comment, > on the reason. > * your problem identification process. How -- and why! -- you identified > the basic issue, your backtracks ("I am sorry, but indeed my previous > explanation/view/analysis in comment xx was wrong because of whadda > gimpa blahblah"), etc. > * keep in mind that others will (eventually) read the bug and its > comments, trying to figure out what to do. Please make their life > easier. Explain. Comment. Point out examples. > > By giving us 5 bugs you triaged, you provide us with a chance to glimpse > your work on this area. We are not required to search for your > contributions, although we *can* do so. > > *HAH! SO YOU _CAN_ SEARCH. WHY DON'T YOU, AND FREE ME FROM DOING IT?* > > Well. If you cannot be bothered with finding five bugs to show your > work, why should *we* be bothered to search for it? Yes, we understand > you are most probably busy, perhaps within the Ubuntu community, perhaps > without. But, most of the times, so are we. You spend some time > selecting your five examples of bug triaging, and we spend some time > reviewing them. You can *choose* which ones to show off, and we will > accept them. > > *WHY DO I NEED TO PROVIDE MY VIEW OF IMPORTANCE?* > > The most important difference between a triager-at-large and a > bug-controller is the ability to set the bug's importance. Yes, there > are other differences, but I personally do not consider them as > critical. > > As such, it stands to reason that we want to know your view on what > would be the importance. You may even disagree with the one set in the > bug, this is acceptable. But you *must* give us your view on the > importance, and you *must* explain why. > > *SO YOU ARE ACTUALLY AN ELITIST* > > No, we are not. Er, yes, perhaps we are. Both apply. As a bug-controller > you will have more access and control over what bugs are looked at, and > worked on. This has been discussed many times, and is still being > discussed. What we are doing here is our consensus, as of now. Again, it > stands to reason that we should be a bit more selective. And, after all, > we are not requiring too much: > > * sign the Ubuntu Code of Conduct -- this is basic. Being nice *is* a > requirement, and I personally fully support it. This is one of the major > differences between Ubuntu and other projects -- we strive to be nice to > others. > * understand the triaging flow for Ubuntu -- note that this is for > *Ubuntu*. Eventually, one will also work with upstreams, and knowing > *their* bug flow will then apply. > * privacy considerations -- every so often a bug will have private (or > potentially private) data. One should be careful, and respect the OP's > privacy. > * five bugs showing one's understanding of the three bullets above. > > I posit this is not unreasonable. > > > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/marble/+bug/574450 User > > looking for marble wallpaper > > Correct answer, but too terse. Lacks being nice, and an explanation of > how to install the wallpaper. Also lacks an explanation of why it was > set to Invalid. > > > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gramps/+bug/549045 Feature > > freeze exception request > > Good work, and good catch. But I do not see your triaging knowledge > being used. > > > > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/527503 > > Icons not showing in KDE/XFCE > > I cannot see triaging work done by you here. You found a bug, and > reported it, that's all. > > > > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdegames/+bug/527516 > > Missing .desktop icons, I would mark this as Low since it is a > > cosmetic/usability issue > > This, again, is a bug you reported (and was triaged by somebody else). I > cannot really see your triaging skill in use here. Agree on Importance. > > > > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/moodle/+bug/452622 Incorrect > > config, wrote patch > > Again a bug you opened. A question I have is *why* a second patch was > necessary -- why is maintaining localhost important? Yes, I know why, > but not everybody does. This bug shows your skill on identifying an > issue, and fixing it. But I cannot see your skills on triaging. > > > > > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/launchpad-integration/+bug/477685 > > Action should have ellipsis, submitted bzr branch > > Another good example of finding and fixing an issue, but not of > triaging. On the other hand, this is a good example of *why* commenting > on one's action is important -- Seb disregarded your branch because > there was no comment about it. > > > > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/516600 > > Report a Problem didn't work in newly uploaded version > > Another nice example of bug reporting. But, again, I cannot see your > triaging skills at work. > > +0.5 > > I personally think you do qualify, but I cannot see supporting bugs for > it. > > Cheers, > > ..C.. > > -- > Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list > Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hggdh2 at ubuntu.com Mon May 17 19:58:14 2010 From: hggdh2 at ubuntu.com (C de-Avillez) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 14:58:14 -0500 Subject: Is BugControl dense? In-Reply-To: References: <1274119027.14599.97.camel@xango2> Message-ID: <1274126294.14599.131.camel@xango2> On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 21:03 +0200, Stefan Ivarsson wrote: > Hi Hi Stefan > I have followed this list (ubuntu-bugscontrol) for about 3 months. > This is my first insight into what is actually happening in this > sub-culture. I am unsure on how to respond here. I am tending to look at it as a failure on our part -- it should have been easier for you to understand what happens. For that, I am sorry. Could you please tell us what you are missing/missed? How can we improve? Where did we fail? > I have been working with IT/IS related questions for close to 15 years > and have tried Linux for the last two. I thought that I was ready to > start helping but after having read this I realize my skills are far > below what is expected of the community. I humbly beg to differ. If you have 15 years of IT/IS-related questions and work, you most certainly have a wealth of experience that would help us all. Now, Ubuntu is comprised of thousands of packages, and many different expertise areas. I would not expect *anyone* to be an expert on all packages and areas. For example, you may not be a programmer -- so you cannot (at least until you start programming) work on extremely dense programming issues. But certainly there are at least one, probably many, other area(s) you know, and can help. And, for that, we will be extremely thankful, and we will appreciate your help. None of us started on Ubuntu already knowing what to do. *ALL* of us are still learning. There is another important point here: the Ubuntu community is made of people from all backgrounds, and with different skill sets. We *complement* each other -- the sum is greater than the parts. > I have read the triage guide. I have a launchpad ID. I have subscribed > to the list .I have read, understood and signed the Ubuntu CoC. > Unfortunately, I do not see how I can help and if anyone would > appreciate it. I am sorry if I sounded like I do not appreciate -- in this case -- Jeremy's work. I *do*. We -- the community -- do. Jeremy -- I apologise if I sounded this way. Please rest assured this is not the case. I just used the opportunity to try and explain a bit more on the process of getting into (or being approved as a member to) the BugController team. This is why I cross-posted to the BugSquad. Perhaps I did it wrong (or sounded wrong). I (again) apologise. Without knowing more about your specific case, I cannot comment on how you could help. But please rest assured that *any* help is welcome. Best regards, ..C.. p.s. One point that was raised last week on the Ubuntu Development Summit (UDS) is that we need to explain more, on the mailing lists, what is going on, what we would like to do, and request more input. Your email very much confirms we need this. Please keep on. We need you. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From carl.anderson at gmail.com Mon May 17 17:11:27 2010 From: carl.anderson at gmail.com (Carl Anderson) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 12:11:27 -0500 Subject: Upgrade disaster - grub update failed and now my machine won't boot In-Reply-To: <4BF17298.7020302@gmail.com> References: <4BF17298.7020302@gmail.com> Message-ID: David and Ian, I appreciate the follow-up. I am quite happy with 10.04 now that I have arrived there. I think you should know that the upgrade path is NOT fully baked in regards to updating GRUB - a crucial piece of the puzzle. My problem (I think) was that I had two SATA drives and on one of them I had something like 10 partitions. I couldn't remember which one was bootable and there was no indication in the list presented to me which one was. So instead of opening a terminal and checking fdisk or mount, I started picking them in semi-random order until I found something that satisfied the popup window (I selected the disk entry, not an individual partition). As a result I was totally bricked for a day. Eventually I was able to find *another computer *where I could download and burn an install CD to boot into my desktop. From there I tried to fix the boot partition and only made things worse for myself. The GUI partition manger during the install resized one of my large partitions without first asking me for confirmation. This wasted a couple hours of my time while I waited for it to complete (I know better than to interrupt a partition resize operation - you can imagine this made me very nervous though). Eventually I was able to figure out how to make things work - I deleted some of my old partitions and installed a fresh Ubuntu 10.04 there. All my old personal data is still sitting there in my old root partition waiting for me to find a dull afternoon to move it over. While this is not ideal, at least I can boot my machine. On a happy note, the install correctly identified my old partition and made it available as a boot option for me. The takeaway here should be: - GUI Upgrade - find a way to make the GRUB upgrade portion idiot proof. - INSTALL - don't *EVER* resize a user's partition without first popping up a confirmation dialog (Good LORD - this was a *major *WTF!!!) Thanks! Carl On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 11:45 AM, David Tombs wrote: > Hi Carl, > > Sorry that your upgrade experience was so terrible. I'm not too familiar > with GRUB, but I can point you to the options on > where you may be able to find help. This > list is not for support discussions and you will probably have better > luck there. > > Thanks, > David > > On 05/10/2010 01:05 PM, Carl Anderson wrote: > > Also, I meant to say I went from 9.10 to 10.04, not 9.04. I had > > followed the instructions and had just upgraded all my 9.10 packages > > before doing the 10.04 upgrade... > > > > Carl > > > > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Carl Anderson > > wrote: > > > > I went through the GUI upgrade from 9.04 to 10.04 last night. I > > habitually keep my machine up to date, so this upgrade was not from > > some random or uncommon configuration. > > > > Everything went fine until grub was being installed / upgraded. I > > got a popup asking me to select a device where grub should be > > installed - in a way it resembled fdisk output, there were the > > individual devices listed (/dev/sda, /dev/sdb, etc) as well as the > > individual partitions on each. I selected the partition that > > contains my kernel images /dev/sda2 and tried to install grub > > there. I saw a message saying that the operation failed. Luckily I > > was able to retry selecting a partition and so I select different > > partitions. I ended up trying all of my partitions individually > > until I had tried them all. I got the impression that I needed to > > select the drive device rather than the partition. So I ended up > > selecting both /dev/sda and /dev/sdb and none of the individual > > partitions. It reported success and continued on the upgrade. When > > it came time to reboot, I discovered that the machine was locked at > > the point where GRUB usually pops up with a kernel selection. I > > don't see anything but a black screen. > > > > I sure wish I knew what I did wrong! > > > > Any help is appreciated - I'm writing from my work machine and won't > > be able to try anything until i get home tonight. > > > > Carl Anderson > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jorrit at wafel.org Tue May 18 16:30:46 2010 From: jorrit at wafel.org (Jorrit Kronjee) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 18:30:46 +0200 Subject: [Ubuntu-bugcontrol] Application from Jeremy Bicha (jbicha) In-Reply-To: <1274119027.14599.97.camel@xango2> References: <1274119027.14599.97.camel@xango2> Message-ID: <4BF2C0B6.9040805@wafel.org> C., I recently joined this mailing list, but as I'm still trying to figure out if this is what I want to spend some of my spare time on, I have not officially joined the bug squad yet. I do have a strong opinion about one thing you said, and that's why I'm replying. > * how you interact with the original poster (OP): being courteous is as > important as being knowledgeable. Even more, courtesy is not an inbred > trait, but must be exercised continuously. > * explaining why some action is needed and how to get it done. We should > never assume (unless we know the OP) that the OP understands Ubuntu, > Linux, etc. > snip. >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/marble/+bug/574450 User >> looking for marble wallpaper > > Correct answer, but too terse. Lacks being nice, and an explanation of > how to install the wallpaper. Also lacks an explanation of why it was > set to Invalid. I looked at the bug report and some of the comments you made and I don't agree with you when it comes to making assumptions. You will always make assumptions. And I think the assumption that the OP knows a thing or two about Ubuntu is a reasonable assumption to make. There are plenty of other information sources out there for the absolute newbies. A bugtracker is not the right place for them. To put it in other words, if someone reports a bug including stack trace, explanation on how to reproduce and a patch, not assuming that that person knows his stuff, would be insulting. Concerning the courtesy, and I might be alone in this, but I just want the person dealing with the bug to be knowledgeable. Explain to me what is happening, but don't beat around the bush. I saw on the wiki page HowToTriage that most of the answer templates start with the sentence "Thank you for taking the time to make Ubuntu better". Actually, all of them have some form of gratitude in them. And it just doesn't look very sincere to me as a user. I won't feel insulted if someone just tells me that my bug was marked a duplicate. Or that they were unable to reproduce it. Especially with people whose native language isn't English (like me!), I understand very well that courtesy might not come naturally. And that is just fine with me. Regards, Jorrit Kronjee From robert.lummis at gmail.com Tue May 18 19:43:56 2010 From: robert.lummis at gmail.com (Robert Lummis) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 15:43:56 -0400 Subject: Is BugControl dense? In-Reply-To: <1274126294.14599.131.camel@xango2> References: <1274119027.14599.97.camel@xango2> <1274126294.14599.131.camel@xango2> Message-ID: I'm not sure whom these comments should be directed to, but I would like to reinforce some of Stefan's comments (at least as I interpret them). I also have many years IT experience including managing a Solaris-centric computing center and managing user support services in a UNIX environment. I joined bugsquad a few months ago thinking I could help and could learn about Linux in the process, but so far I've been unable to contribute one bit of help in spite of my willingness, and in spite of spending many hours reading how-tos and explanations and introductions, and searching through web page after web page. I keep going around in web page circles without ever getting to a place that actually lets me report a bug or work on a bug report from someone else. I tried to use the tools to report a bug I encountered but the tools didn't work (at least for my particular bug). Then I tried to report a bug in the tools but couldn't find how to do that. I've given up more than once then tried again but to no avail, at least so far. There must be a better way to organize the bug-reporting and triaging functions. I don't think better explanations will do it. I see that a lot of effort has already gone into explaining the process. But unfortunately the explanations don't do the job. If "outsiders" are going to be able to help, the process needs to be revamped somehow so the overall model of what's going on can be grasped. I know that's hard so I'm not feeling very critical of those of you who have brought it this far. I'm very grateful for your efforts and I admire your ability to get Ubuntu as good as it is. But I wanted to let you know that coming into the process as an outsider, willing to help and having a significant technical background, I've gotten lost in the maze. Maybe I need a better understanding of Linux internals to be helpful. That would be understandable and not surprising. But if that is the case please say so up front and don't pretend that willingness to help is the main prerequisite. On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:58 PM, C de-Avillez wrote: > On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 21:03 +0200, Stefan Ivarsson wrote: >> Hi > > Hi Stefan > >> I have followed this list (ubuntu-bugscontrol) for about 3 months. >> This is my first insight into what is actually happening in this >> sub-culture. > > I am unsure on how to respond here. I am tending to look at it as a > failure on our part -- it should have been easier for you to understand > what happens. For that, I am sorry. Could you please tell us what you > are missing/missed? How can we improve? Where did we fail? > >> I have been working with IT/IS related questions for close to 15 years >> and have tried Linux for the last two. I thought that I was ready to >> start helping but after having read this I realize my skills are far >> below what is expected of the community. > > I humbly beg to differ. If you have 15 years of IT/IS-related questions > and work, you most certainly have a wealth of experience that would help > us all. Now, Ubuntu is comprised of thousands of packages, and many > different expertise areas. I would not expect *anyone* to be an expert > on all packages and areas. For example, you may not be a programmer -- > so you cannot (at least until you start programming) work on extremely > dense programming issues. But certainly there are at least one, probably > many, other area(s) you know, and can help. And, for that, we will be > extremely thankful, and we will appreciate your help. > > None of us started on Ubuntu already knowing what to do. *ALL* of us are > still learning. > > There is another important point here: the Ubuntu community is made of > people from all backgrounds, and with different skill sets. We > *complement* each other -- the sum is greater than the parts. > >> I have read the triage guide. I have a launchpad ID. I have subscribed >> to the list .I have read, understood and signed the Ubuntu CoC. >> Unfortunately, I do not see how I can help and if anyone would >> appreciate it. > > I am sorry if I sounded like I do not appreciate -- in this case -- > Jeremy's work. I *do*. We -- the community -- do. > > Jeremy -- I apologise if I sounded this way. Please rest assured this is > not the case. > > I just used the opportunity to try and explain a bit more on the process > of getting into (or being approved as a member to) the BugController > team. This is why I cross-posted to the BugSquad. Perhaps I did it wrong > (or sounded wrong). I (again) apologise. > > Without knowing more about your specific case, I cannot comment on how > you could help. But please rest assured that *any* help is welcome. > > Best regards, > > ..C.. > > p.s. One point that was raised last week on the Ubuntu Development > Summit (UDS) is that we need to explain more, on the mailing lists, what > is going on, what we would like to do, and request more input. Your > email very much confirms we need this. Please keep on. We need you. > > > > > -- > Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list > Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad > > -- Robert Lummis From brian at ubuntu.com Tue May 18 20:08:31 2010 From: brian at ubuntu.com (Brian Murray) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 13:08:31 -0700 Subject: New standard tag 'touch' In-Reply-To: <1274121485.27329.5.camel@ubuntu> References: <1274121485.27329.5.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: <20100518200831.GL29399@murraytwins.com> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 02:38:05PM -0400, Michael Terry wrote: > As part of a discussion during UDS about touch support in Ubuntu, we > decided one thing that would help is a standard bug tag to find > touch-related issues. We figured 'touch' made sense. > > Brian Murray suggested I add it to the wiki and let ya'll know about it. > So I've added the tag to wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Tagging and am sending this > email. Since the tag is not X specific, as you mentioned applications too in the definition of the tag, I went ahead and added it to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Tags. That list is likely checked more frequently than the X tagging page. -- Brian Murray -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From ben.v.root at gmail.com Tue May 18 20:10:07 2010 From: ben.v.root at gmail.com (Benjamin Root) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 15:10:07 -0500 Subject: Is BugControl dense? In-Reply-To: References: <1274119027.14599.97.camel@xango2> <1274126294.14599.131.camel@xango2> Message-ID: Maybe we haven't made it clear that members contribute whatever they can. For example, some members can simply tag reports according to topic. Others can converse with the original reporter to gather more information through apport. Others can follow a bug report and update descriptions as new information become available. Some other things that can be done is to improve/fix misleading report titles. There are plenty of other things people can do, but those are some very basic tasks that members can start with to get into the habit of triaging. As for where to go to triage bugs, there really isn't any central place. Personally, I have an RSS feed of all the bug reports that come in and choose reports that might be interesting to me. Others use the Search page to search for bugs on a related topic. All of the bug controls are on the report page itself, there is no separate webpage for triaging a particular bug. Also, I highly recommend coming onto the IRC chat room (#ubuntu-bugs on freenode.net) from time to time and get to know us. I know I have been away for the past few months, but I will be around again this summer (WeatherGod). Don't be a stranger! I hope this answers some questions and concerns. Ben Root aka WeatherGod On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Robert Lummis wrote: > I'm not sure whom these comments should be directed to, but I would > like to reinforce some of Stefan's comments (at least as I interpret > them). I also have many years IT experience including managing a > Solaris-centric computing center and managing user support services in > a UNIX environment. I joined bugsquad a few months ago thinking I > could help and could learn about Linux in the process, but so far I've > been unable to contribute one bit of help in spite of my willingness, > and in spite of spending many hours reading how-tos and explanations > and introductions, and searching through web page after web page. I > keep going around in web page circles without ever getting to a place > that actually lets me report a bug or work on a bug report from > someone else. I tried to use the tools to report a bug I encountered > but the tools didn't work (at least for my particular bug). Then I > tried to report a bug in the tools but couldn't find how to do that. > I've given up more than once then tried again but to no avail, at > least so far. > > There must be a better way to organize the bug-reporting and triaging > functions. I don't think better explanations will do it. I see that a > lot of effort has already gone into explaining the process. But > unfortunately the explanations don't do the job. If "outsiders" are > going to be able to help, the process needs to be revamped somehow so > the overall model of what's going on can be grasped. I know that's > hard so I'm not feeling very critical of those of you who have brought > it this far. I'm very grateful for your efforts and I admire your > ability to get Ubuntu as good as it is. But I wanted to let you know > that coming into the process as an outsider, willing to help and > having a significant technical background, I've gotten lost in the > maze. > > Maybe I need a better understanding of Linux internals to be helpful. > That would be understandable and not surprising. But if that is the > case please say so up front and don't pretend that willingness to help > is the main prerequisite. > > On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:58 PM, C de-Avillez wrote: > > On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 21:03 +0200, Stefan Ivarsson wrote: > >> Hi > > > > Hi Stefan > > > >> I have followed this list (ubuntu-bugscontrol) for about 3 months. > >> This is my first insight into what is actually happening in this > >> sub-culture. > > > > I am unsure on how to respond here. I am tending to look at it as a > > failure on our part -- it should have been easier for you to understand > > what happens. For that, I am sorry. Could you please tell us what you > > are missing/missed? How can we improve? Where did we fail? > > > >> I have been working with IT/IS related questions for close to 15 years > >> and have tried Linux for the last two. I thought that I was ready to > >> start helping but after having read this I realize my skills are far > >> below what is expected of the community. > > > > I humbly beg to differ. If you have 15 years of IT/IS-related questions > > and work, you most certainly have a wealth of experience that would help > > us all. Now, Ubuntu is comprised of thousands of packages, and many > > different expertise areas. I would not expect *anyone* to be an expert > > on all packages and areas. For example, you may not be a programmer -- > > so you cannot (at least until you start programming) work on extremely > > dense programming issues. But certainly there are at least one, probably > > many, other area(s) you know, and can help. And, for that, we will be > > extremely thankful, and we will appreciate your help. > > > > None of us started on Ubuntu already knowing what to do. *ALL* of us are > > still learning. > > > > There is another important point here: the Ubuntu community is made of > > people from all backgrounds, and with different skill sets. We > > *complement* each other -- the sum is greater than the parts. > > > >> I have read the triage guide. I have a launchpad ID. I have subscribed > >> to the list .I have read, understood and signed the Ubuntu CoC. > >> Unfortunately, I do not see how I can help and if anyone would > >> appreciate it. > > > > I am sorry if I sounded like I do not appreciate -- in this case -- > > Jeremy's work. I *do*. We -- the community -- do. > > > > Jeremy -- I apologise if I sounded this way. Please rest assured this is > > not the case. > > > > I just used the opportunity to try and explain a bit more on the process > > of getting into (or being approved as a member to) the BugController > > team. This is why I cross-posted to the BugSquad. Perhaps I did it wrong > > (or sounded wrong). I (again) apologise. > > > > Without knowing more about your specific case, I cannot comment on how > > you could help. But please rest assured that *any* help is welcome. > > > > Best regards, > > > > ..C.. > > > > p.s. One point that was raised last week on the Ubuntu Development > > Summit (UDS) is that we need to explain more, on the mailing lists, what > > is going on, what we would like to do, and request more input. Your > > email very much confirms we need this. Please keep on. We need you. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list > > Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad > > > > > > > > -- > Robert Lummis > > -- > Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list > Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robert.lummis at gmail.com Tue May 18 20:11:10 2010 From: robert.lummis at gmail.com (Robert Lummis) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 16:11:10 -0400 Subject: Upgrade disaster - grub update failed and now my machine won't boot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I had exactly the same experience. I can't quote the text on the installer screen verbatim because it's different now that the wrong disk was partitioned, but whatever it said was misleading and needs to be fixed on future releases. The wording in question is on page 4 of 7 in the installer script. Screen 4 in the installer says something like "install side-by-side with the existing version" which I understood to mean install on the same drive as the existing version but in a different partition, which is what I wanted and expected. Instead it partitioned an *external* 500-GB USB drive that I use for backups and installed the new version there. The system was then unbootable. That also made my backup partition much smaller so now it's less useful for backups. It used to be the whole drive, now it's something like 250 GB with only a little empty space. All-in-all a bad start on 10.04. I suspect what happened is that it selected the largest available partition, which is definitely the wrong thing to do! But even worse is that it didn't clearly state what it was going to partition before starting. I'm pretty sure it never said anything about partitioning my external drive, or if it did it slipped below my radar. I tried to report this "bug" but couldn't figure out how to do it. I think the package the bug needs to be reported against is ubiquity but "ubuntu-bug ubiquity" fails because it can't read the ubiquity log file because it isn't root, and "sudo ubuntu-bug ubiquity" silently terminates without doing anything. I got this fixed on my own so I'm not looking for an answer here. I'm writing this in case it will help improve the next release, since I was unable to report the problem as a bug. On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Carl Anderson wrote: > I went through the GUI upgrade from 9.04 to 10.04 last night.  I habitually > keep my machine up to date, so this upgrade was not from some random or > uncommon configuration. > > Everything went fine until grub was being installed / upgraded.  I got a > popup asking me to select a device where grub should be installed - in a way > it resembled fdisk output, there were the individual devices listed > (/dev/sda, /dev/sdb, etc) as well as the individual partitions on each.  I > selected the partition that contains my kernel images /dev/sda2 and tried to > install grub there.  I saw a message saying that the operation failed. > Luckily I was able to retry selecting a partition and so I select different > partitions.  I ended up trying all of my partitions individually until I had > tried them all.  I got the impression that I needed to select the drive > device rather than the partition.  So I ended up selecting both /dev/sda and > /dev/sdb and none of the individual partitions.  It reported success and > continued on the upgrade.  When it came time to reboot, I discovered that > the machine was locked at the point where GRUB usually pops up with a kernel > selection.  I don't see anything but a black screen. > > I sure wish I knew what I did wrong! > > Any help is appreciated - I'm writing from my work machine and won't be able > to try anything until i get home tonight. > > Carl Anderson > > -- > Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list > Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad > > -- Robert Lummis From micahg at ubuntu.com Tue May 18 20:15:34 2010 From: micahg at ubuntu.com (Micah Gersten) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 15:15:34 -0500 Subject: [Ubuntu-bugcontrol] Application from Jeremy Bicha (jbicha) In-Reply-To: <4BF2C0B6.9040805@wafel.org> References: <1274119027.14599.97.camel@xango2> <4BF2C0B6.9040805@wafel.org> Message-ID: <4BF2F566.3060107@ubuntu.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 05/18/2010 11:30 AM, Jorrit Kronjee wrote: > C., > > I recently joined this mailing list, but as I'm still trying to figure > out if this is what I want to spend some of my spare time on, I have not > officially joined the bug squad yet. I do have a strong opinion about > one thing you said, and that's why I'm replying. > > >> * how you interact with the original poster (OP): being courteous is as >> important as being knowledgeable. Even more, courtesy is not an inbred >> trait, but must be exercised continuously. >> * explaining why some action is needed and how to get it done. We should >> never assume (unless we know the OP) that the OP understands Ubuntu, >> Linux, etc. >> > > snip. > >>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/marble/+bug/574450 User >>> looking for marble wallpaper >> >> Correct answer, but too terse. Lacks being nice, and an explanation of >> how to install the wallpaper. Also lacks an explanation of why it was >> set to Invalid. > > I looked at the bug report and some of the comments you made and I don't > agree with you when it comes to making assumptions. You will always make > assumptions. And I think the assumption that the OP knows a thing or two > about Ubuntu is a reasonable assumption to make. There are plenty of > other information sources out there for the absolute newbies. A > bugtracker is not the right place for them. > > To put it in other words, if someone reports a bug including stack > trace, explanation on how to reproduce and a patch, not assuming that > that person knows his stuff, would be insulting. > > Concerning the courtesy, and I might be alone in this, but I just want > the person dealing with the bug to be knowledgeable. Explain to me what > is happening, but don't beat around the bush. I saw on the wiki page > HowToTriage that most of the answer templates start with the sentence > "Thank you for taking the time to make Ubuntu better". Actually, all of > them have some form of gratitude in them. And it just doesn't look very > sincere to me as a user. > > I won't feel insulted if someone just tells me that my bug was marked a > duplicate. Or that they were unable to reproduce it. Especially with > people whose native language isn't English (like me!), I understand very > well that courtesy might not come naturally. And that is just fine with me. > > Regards, > > > Jorrit Kronjee While this is commonplace in most bugtrackers, Ubuntu is unique in that we try to make it extremely easy for any level user to report bugs. You are correct in the example you gave if a user is already providing content that implies a certain knowledge level, that one could infer something about the user. I think hggdh was referring to when that is not evident. Such is the case with the bug in question. The user might not know if they should install from KPackageKit or somewhere else. I think one of the goals is to be clear the first time so that back and forth is not necessary for how to do things. Micah -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkvy9WAACgkQTniv4aqX/VnTbQCfZCyTHV+8bd86VdzKhA03p6An 0L0AniaKyrxWqgNVpGMlsNFNR+W1G2aj =WgAD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hggdh2 at ubuntu.com Tue May 18 20:45:37 2010 From: hggdh2 at ubuntu.com (C de-Avillez) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 15:45:37 -0500 Subject: Is BugControl dense? In-Reply-To: References: <1274119027.14599.97.camel@xango2> <1274126294.14599.131.camel@xango2> Message-ID: <1274215537.28563.12.camel@xango2> On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 15:43 -0400, Robert Lummis wrote: (I have taken out Stefan, Jeremy, and bug-control from the CC, on the hope of controlling CC-growth. I am sure, however, that they are following this via the ML) > I'm not sure whom these comments should be directed to, but I would > like to reinforce some of Stefan's comments (at least as I interpret > them). This is a good place, in fact the *best* place, and your feedback is important. > I also have many years IT experience including managing a > Solaris-centric computing center and managing user support services in > a UNIX environment. I joined bugsquad a few months ago thinking I > could help and could learn about Linux in the process, but so far I've > been unable to contribute one bit of help in spite of my willingness, > and in spite of spending many hours reading how-tos and explanations > and introductions, and searching through web page after web page. I > keep going around in web page circles without ever getting to a place > that actually lets me report a bug or work on a bug report from > someone else. I tried to use the tools to report a bug I encountered > but the tools didn't work (at least for my particular bug). Then I > tried to report a bug in the tools but couldn't find how to do that. > I've given up more than once then tried again but to no avail, at > least so far. This is really *not* the experience we would like you to have. I would appreciate if you could give us a more detailed description of this going roundabout -- I, for one, already know where to go, and will not be able to understand it otherwise. But certainly we should do better. We need to do better. > > There must be a better way to organize the bug-reporting and triaging > functions. I don't think better explanations will do it. I see that a > lot of effort has already gone into explaining the process. But > unfortunately the explanations don't do the job. If "outsiders" are > going to be able to help, the process needs to be revamped somehow so > the overall model of what's going on can be grasped. I know that's > hard so I'm not feeling very critical of those of you who have brought > it this far. I'm very grateful for your efforts and I admire your > ability to get Ubuntu as good as it is. But I wanted to let you know > that coming into the process as an outsider, willing to help and > having a significant technical background, I've gotten lost in the > maze. > > Maybe I need a better understanding of Linux internals to be helpful. > That would be understandable and not surprising. But if that is the > case please say so up front and don't pretend that willingness to help > is the main prerequisite. This is not the case. You do not need to have a better understanding of Linux internals, not at all. Willingness to help is indeed the major, er, requirement. Which means we need to adapt. So... what is bad? How can we get it better? Your input is important: I have a serious bias, in that I know how the system works -- and, as such, this type of problem is not as visible for me. Cheers, -- C de-Avillez IRC: hggdh -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From hggdh2 at ubuntu.com Tue May 18 21:02:34 2010 From: hggdh2 at ubuntu.com (C de-Avillez) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 16:02:34 -0500 Subject: [Ubuntu-bugcontrol] Application from Jeremy Bicha (jbicha) In-Reply-To: <4BF2C0B6.9040805@wafel.org> References: <1274119027.14599.97.camel@xango2> <4BF2C0B6.9040805@wafel.org> Message-ID: <1274216554.28563.28.camel@xango2> On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 18:30 +0200, Jorrit Kronjee wrote: > C., Hi Jorrit, > > I recently joined this mailing list, but as I'm still trying to figure > out if this is what I want to spend some of my spare time on, I have not > officially joined the bug squad yet. I do have a strong opinion about > one thing you said, and that's why I'm replying. > > > > * how you interact with the original poster (OP): being courteous is as > > important as being knowledgeable. Even more, courtesy is not an inbred > > trait, but must be exercised continuously. > > * explaining why some action is needed and how to get it done. We should > > never assume (unless we know the OP) that the OP understands Ubuntu, > > Linux, etc. > > > > snip. > > >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/marble/+bug/574450 User > >> looking for marble wallpaper > > > > Correct answer, but too terse. Lacks being nice, and an explanation of > > how to install the wallpaper. Also lacks an explanation of why it was > > set to Invalid. > > I looked at the bug report and some of the comments you made and I don't > agree with you when it comes to making assumptions. You will always make > assumptions. And I think the assumption that the OP knows a thing or two > about Ubuntu is a reasonable assumption to make. There are plenty of > other information sources out there for the absolute newbies. A > bugtracker is not the right place for them. I stand corrected. We all make assumptions, continuously. But I disagree in that it should be assumed the OP knows "enough" about Ubuntu, package management, and bugs in general. We should use common sense, and adjust to the *perceived* level of expertise of the OP. There is just one caveat I would like to keep: if in doubt, assume (yes, there we go) the OP does *not* know, and explain. This actually helps make the whole process faster, minimising the back-and-forth. This, though, is based on my own experience and, as such, YMMV. > > To put it in other words, if someone reports a bug including stack > trace, explanation on how to reproduce and a patch, not assuming that > that person knows his stuff, would be insulting. I agree. There is a fine line between being helpful and condescending. Your example is of someone with a probable deep knowledge of programming and dump reading. > > Concerning the courtesy, and I might be alone in this, but I just want > the person dealing with the bug to be knowledgeable. Explain to me what > is happening, but don't beat around the bush. I saw on the wiki page > HowToTriage that most of the answer templates start with the sentence > "Thank you for taking the time to make Ubuntu better". Actually, all of > them have some form of gratitude in them. And it just doesn't look very > sincere to me as a user. I feel that being nice is not beating around the bushes: it does not take that much time, after all. Additionally, email is known not to carry all the clues we use when we are talking face-to-face (or ear-to-ear)... so being nice *may* help to take out a potential sting. > > I won't feel insulted if someone just tells me that my bug was marked a > duplicate. Or that they were unable to reproduce it. Especially with > people whose native language isn't English (like me!), I understand very > well that courtesy might not come naturally. And that is just fine with me. I, personally, do not *require* others to be nice to me. Very much like you, I can live without it. I also agree that 'nice but ignorant' is not much of a help. But I would rather be 'nice and knowledgeable' than otherwise. > > Regards, Thank you. I do hope we keep on and get Ubuntu to be better. Cheers, ..C.. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jorrit at wafel.org Wed May 19 06:48:08 2010 From: jorrit at wafel.org (Jorrit Kronjee) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 08:48:08 +0200 Subject: confirmed bugs Message-ID: <4BF389A8.7060603@wafel.org> Dear list, How do I bring confirmed bugs to the attention of bug control? I believe I have a few that can be set to triaged. Regards, Jorrit From nigelbabu at ubuntu.com Wed May 19 07:57:29 2010 From: nigelbabu at ubuntu.com (Nigel Babu) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 13:27:29 +0530 Subject: confirmed bugs In-Reply-To: <4BF389A8.7060603@wafel.org> References: <4BF389A8.7060603@wafel.org> Message-ID: You can just ask in the channel. Most of the time someone should be around. Warm Regards Nigel Babu On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Jorrit Kronjee wrote: > Dear list, > > How do I bring confirmed bugs to the attention of bug control? I believe > I have a few that can be set to triaged. > > Regards, > > Jorrit > > -- > Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list > Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bookmark it, add it to your calendars, turn over those egg-timers! * Thursday 20th May 2010 * https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100520 Are you looking for a way to start giving some love back to your adorable Ubuntu Project? Did you ever wonder what Triage is? Want to learn about that? This is a perfect time!, Everybody can help in a Bug Day! open your IRC Client and go to #ubuntu-bugs (FreeNode) the BugSquad will be happy to help you to start contributing! Wanna be famous? Is easy! remember to use 5-A-day so if you do a good work your name could be listed at the top 5-A-Day Contributors in the Ubuntu Hall of Fame page! We are always looking for new tasks or ideas for the Bug Days, if you have one add it to the Planning page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Planning If you're new to all this, head to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs Have a nice day, pedro. From macoafi at gmail.com Wed May 19 14:39:59 2010 From: macoafi at gmail.com (Mackenzie Morgan) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 10:39:59 -0400 Subject: Is BugControl dense? In-Reply-To: References: <1274119027.14599.97.camel@xango2> <1274126294.14599.131.camel@xango2> Message-ID: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Robert Lummis wrote: > I > keep going around in web page circles without ever getting to a place > that actually lets me report a bug or work on a bug report from > someone else. http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs Pick one. > I tried to use the tools to report a bug I encountered > but the tools didn't work (at least for my particular bug). The "ubuntu-bug" command didn't work? > Maybe I need a better understanding of Linux internals to be helpful. > That would be understandable and not surprising. But if that is the > case please say so up front and don't pretend that willingness to help > is the main prerequisite. I wouldn't be surprised if part of the issue was Launchpad being confusing. After nearly 4 years of using it, I still find pages I didn't know existed. -- Mackenzie Morgan http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com apt-get moo From macoafi at gmail.com Wed May 19 15:20:22 2010 From: macoafi at gmail.com (Mackenzie Morgan) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 11:20:22 -0400 Subject: Little information about uploading a ppa In-Reply-To: <343981.22137.qm@web26708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <343981.22137.qm@web26708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 4:33 AM, Gianfranco Costamagna wrote: > Hi, I want upload my package into my ppa, but in my network I cannot use ftp mode... > > How could I upload it via http mode? > I get this error Upload failed: 405 Method Not Allowed You can't. dput just uses ftp on the backend. *Maybe* you can scp them? -- Mackenzie Morgan http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com apt-get moo From nigelbabu at ubuntu.com Wed May 19 15:39:46 2010 From: nigelbabu at ubuntu.com (Nigel Babu) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 21:09:46 +0530 Subject: Make more apport hooks Message-ID: <1274283586.1800.8.camel@nigelbabu-laptop> Hello fellow triagers: Over the past cycles, we've seen that bugs with an apport hook are easier to triage since most of the required information is collected and we can easily identify the source of the bug. Not many people know how to write a hook though. Last cycle, I wrote 2 hooks, one for rhythmbox and one for cheese, and I can say I have a good idea on how to go about it. I'd like to share this knowledge with anyone interested. Most of the time, upstream doesn't know how to write a hook and are confused as to whom to ask for help. The idea is to train a bunch of people to be able to write hooks. Now, I'd like to open a discussion on how we go about it. Option A We create a wiki page where there would be a table with package name, bug number, and upstream contact name/irc nick. Upstream contacts or Ubuntu developers can open a bug with the information that a hook should collect and list the bug there with their nickname so we can get in touch with them if we run into any issues. Anyone interested can subscribe to the wiki page and assign the bug to themselves if they're working on writing the hook. Once upstream is happy with the information, package it, and request sponsorship for the bug fix. Option B We create a tag like 'apport-hook-request' (or whatever) and we keep track of all the bugs with that tag. Anyone who wants can assign the bug to themselves and work on it. Disadvantage here would be that its difficult to get a nudge when a new 'apport-hook-request' tag is added, which might mean more infrastructure to be set up like a team being subscribed, etc. Or we could mix both. Anyone would like to offer comments or suggestions? From rohan16garg at gmail.com Wed May 19 15:55:33 2010 From: rohan16garg at gmail.com (Rohan Garg) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 21:25:33 +0530 Subject: Make more apport hooks In-Reply-To: <1274283586.1800.8.camel@nigelbabu-laptop> References: <1274283586.1800.8.camel@nigelbabu-laptop> Message-ID: Hey Nigel I think option A is better as it gives us a wider scope covering more people,also more people can contribute to the wiki and improve the quality.Whereas option B just concerns people who actually know how to write a apport hook. But thats just my 2 cents. Regards Rohan Garg www.launchpad.net/~rohangarg On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Nigel Babu wrote: > Hello fellow triagers: > > Over the past cycles, we've seen that bugs with an apport hook are > easier to triage since most of the required information is collected and > we can easily identify the source of the bug. Not many people know how > to write a hook though. Last cycle, I wrote 2 hooks, one for rhythmbox > and one for cheese, and I can say I have a good idea on how to go about > it. I'd like to share this knowledge with anyone interested. > > Most of the time, upstream doesn't know how to write a hook and are > confused as to whom to ask for help. The idea is to train a bunch of > people to be able to write hooks. Now, I'd like to open a discussion on > how we go about it. > > Option A > We create a wiki page where there would be a table with package name, > bug number, and upstream contact name/irc nick. Upstream contacts or > Ubuntu developers can open a bug with the information that a hook should > collect and list the bug there with their nickname so we can get in > touch with them if we run into any issues. Anyone interested can > subscribe to the wiki page and assign the bug to themselves if they're > working on writing the hook. Once upstream is happy with the > information, package it, and request sponsorship for the bug fix. > > Option B > We create a tag like 'apport-hook-request' (or whatever) and we keep > track of all the bugs with that tag. Anyone who wants can assign the > bug to themselves and work on it. Disadvantage here would be that its > difficult to get a nudge when a new 'apport-hook-request' tag is added, > which might mean more infrastructure to be set up like a team being > subscribed, etc. > > Or we could mix both. > > Anyone would like to offer comments or suggestions? > > > -- > Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list > Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From qense at ubuntu.com Wed May 19 15:52:16 2010 From: qense at ubuntu.com (Sense Hofstede) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 17:52:16 +0200 Subject: Make more apport hooks In-Reply-To: <1274283586.1800.8.camel@nigelbabu-laptop> References: <1274283586.1800.8.camel@nigelbabu-laptop> Message-ID: On 19 May 2010 17:39, Nigel Babu wrote: > Hello fellow triagers: > > Over the past cycles, we've seen that bugs with an apport hook are > easier to triage since most of the required information is collected and > we can easily identify the source of the bug.  Not many people know how > to write a hook though.  Last cycle, I wrote 2 hooks, one for rhythmbox > and one for cheese, and I can say I have a good idea on how to go about > it.  I'd like to share this knowledge with anyone interested. > > Most of the time, upstream doesn't know how to write a hook and are > confused as to whom to ask for help.  The idea is to train a bunch of > people to be able to write hooks.  Now, I'd like to open a discussion on > how we go about it. > > Option A > We create a wiki page where there would be a table with package name, > bug number, and upstream contact name/irc nick.  Upstream contacts or > Ubuntu developers can open a bug with the information that a hook should > collect and list the bug there with their nickname so we can get in > touch with them if we run into any issues.  Anyone interested can > subscribe to the wiki page and assign the bug to themselves if they're > working on writing the hook.  Once upstream is happy with the > information, package it, and request sponsorship for the bug fix. > > Option B > We create a tag like 'apport-hook-request' (or whatever) and we keep > track of all the bugs with that tag.  Anyone who wants can assign the > bug to themselves and work on it. Disadvantage here would be that its > difficult to get a nudge when a new 'apport-hook-request' tag is added, > which might mean more infrastructure to be set up like a team being > subscribed, etc. > > Or we could mix both. > > Anyone would like to offer comments or suggestions? > > Hello, Thanks for picking this up! I'm against the use of a wiki page as experience has showed that duplicating content by copying bug information to a wiki page doesn't work; people simply won't do it. For Application Indicator support we have used tags and we will use them for Global Menu support. I would suggest to use them for Apport hooks as well. A while ago I heard something about Launchpad developers working on a tag subscription feature. Not sure what happened to that, but maybe it's worth checking with them to see if it's still planned. Cheers, -- Sense Hofstede [ˈsɛn.sə ˈɦɔf.steː.də] From nigelbabu at ubuntu.com Wed May 19 16:01:47 2010 From: nigelbabu at ubuntu.com (Nigel Babu) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 21:31:47 +0530 Subject: epiphany vs epiphany-browser Message-ID: <1274284907.1800.13.camel@nigelbabu-laptop> Hello folks: Just giving out an alert == epiphany == Package: epiphany Section: universe/games Description: clone of Boulder Dash game Epiphany is a multi-platform clone of Boulder Dash. In this game, the player must collect all the valuable minerals scattered in each level, while avoiding being hit by a falling boulder or, worse, by a bomb. . Boulder Dash was one of the best games ever made for the Commodore 64. == epiphany-browser == Package: epiphany-browser Section: universe/gnome Description: Intuitive GNOME web browser Epiphany is a simple yet powerful GNOME web browser targeted at non-technical users. Its principles are simplicity and standards compliance. Simplicity is achieved by a well designed user interface and reliance on external applications for performing external tasks (such as reading email). Simplicity should not mean less powerful. Standards compliance is achieved on the HTML side by using the WebKitGTK+ rendering engine; and on the user interface side by closely following the GNOME Human Interface Guidelines (HIG) and by close integration with the GNOME desktop. The browser is epiphany-browser, *not* epiphany Warm Regards Nigel Babu From nigelbabu at ubuntu.com Wed May 19 16:15:38 2010 From: nigelbabu at ubuntu.com (Nigel Babu) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 21:45:38 +0530 Subject: Make more apport hooks In-Reply-To: <1274285115.1800.14.camel@nigelbabu-laptop> References: <1274283586.1800.8.camel@nigelbabu-laptop> <1274285115.1800.14.camel@nigelbabu-laptop> Message-ID: <1274285738.1800.15.camel@nigelbabu-laptop> On Wed, 2010-05-19 at 21:35 +0530, Nigel Babu wrote: > I wasn't suggesting the wiki to give information, I was suggesting using > it as a work list. We do have all the information we need. Just need > more people working on it. > > Warm Regards > Nigel Babu > > I just spoke to someone from the LP team and the feature to subscribe to a tag is coming up in the next 2 to 3 months, so its going to be a tie on both sides. Warm Regards Nigel Babu From nigelbabu at ubuntu.com Wed May 19 16:25:46 2010 From: nigelbabu at ubuntu.com (Nigel Babu) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 21:55:46 +0530 Subject: Make more apport hooks In-Reply-To: <1274285115.1800.14.camel@nigelbabu-laptop> References: <1274283586.1800.8.camel@nigelbabu-laptop> <1274285115.1800.14.camel@nigelbabu-laptop> Message-ID: <1274286346.1800.22.camel@nigelbabu-laptop> On Wed, 2010-05-19 at 21:35 +0530, Nigel Babu wrote: > I wasn't suggesting the wiki to give information, I was suggesting using > it as a work list. We do have all the information we need. Just need > more people working on it. > > Warm Regards > Nigel Babu > > I just spoke to deryck from the LP team and the feature to subscribe to a tag is coming up in the next 2 to 3 months, so both options are evenly matched and just need input from folks who've used them. After hearing Sense's and micahg's opnion (earlier), I'm inclined to use tags unless I hear a compelling argument against it. Warm Regards Nigel Babu From noreply at ubuntu.com Tue May 18 20:02:10 2010 From: noreply at ubuntu.com (=?utf-8?q?Ubuntu_Wiki_?=) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 20:02:10 -0000 Subject: =?utf-8?q?=5BUbuntu_Wiki=5D_Update_of_=22Bugs/Tags=22_by_brian-murray?= Message-ID: <20100518200210.10136.29493@jostaberry.canonical.com> Dear Wiki user, You have subscribed to a wiki page or wiki category on "Ubuntu Wiki" for change notification. 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The following page has been changed by yofel: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage?action=diff&rev1=108&rev2=109 The comment on the change is: add plymouth to splash packages. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ === During boot === - If you encounter a bug with the boot splash screen (typically an Ubuntu logo displayed during boot), the package is `xsplash` since 9.10 Karmic Koala and `usplash` in versions before that. + If you encounter a bug with the boot splash screen (typically an Ubuntu logo displayed during boot), the package is: + * `plymouth` since 10.04 Lucid Lynx, + * `xsplash` in 9.10 Karmic Koala and + * `usplash` in versions before that. If the screen goes blank after the splash screen (about the time the login screen should come up), report the bug against `xorg`. From thekorn at gmx.de Wed May 19 16:44:44 2010 From: thekorn at gmx.de (markus korn) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 18:44:44 +0200 Subject: Make more apport hooks In-Reply-To: <1274283586.1800.8.camel@nigelbabu-laptop> References: <1274283586.1800.8.camel@nigelbabu-laptop> Message-ID: On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Nigel Babu wrote: > Hello fellow triagers: > > Over the past cycles, we've seen that bugs with an apport hook are > easier to triage since most of the required information is collected and > we can easily identify the source of the bug.  Not many people know how > to write a hook though.  Last cycle, I wrote 2 hooks, one for rhythmbox > and one for cheese, and I can say I have a good idea on how to go about > it.  I'd like to share this knowledge with anyone interested. > > Most of the time, upstream doesn't know how to write a hook and are > confused as to whom to ask for help.  The idea is to train a bunch of > people to be able to write hooks.  Now, I'd like to open a discussion on > how we go about it. > > Option A > We create a wiki page where there would be a table with package name, > bug number, and upstream contact name/irc nick.  Upstream contacts or > Ubuntu developers can open a bug with the information that a hook should > collect and list the bug there with their nickname so we can get in > touch with them if we run into any issues.  Anyone interested can > subscribe to the wiki page and assign the bug to themselves if they're > working on writing the hook.  Once upstream is happy with the > information, package it, and request sponsorship for the bug fix. > > Option B > We create a tag like 'apport-hook-request' (or whatever) and we keep > track of all the bugs with that tag.  Anyone who wants can assign the > bug to themselves and work on it. Disadvantage here would be that its > difficult to get a nudge when a new 'apport-hook-request' tag is added, > which might mean more infrastructure to be set up like a team being > subscribed, etc. > > Or we could mix both. > > Anyone would like to offer comments or suggestions? > Hey, I think the best idea would be to create a project called "ubuntu-bugpatterns", and make the bugsquad its contact. This way we can use the full power of launchpad to organize our efforts, like we get this nice bug views to show us the state of pending hooks, we can discuss hooks in bugreports. We can even move the branch to the project and use code review features etc. And if we are happy with a hook, we just open a task for the ubuntu package to track the progress of adding this hook the the related package. Markus From ddecator at gmail.com Wed May 19 16:45:52 2010 From: ddecator at gmail.com (Draycen DeCator) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 11:45:52 -0500 Subject: Make more apport hooks In-Reply-To: <1274286346.1800.22.camel@nigelbabu-laptop> References: <1274283586.1800.8.camel@nigelbabu-laptop> <1274285115.1800.14.camel@nigelbabu-laptop> <1274286346.1800.22.camel@nigelbabu-laptop> Message-ID: I like the idea of using tags more since it won't require someone to update the wiki with new apport requests. Adding a tag is also something that new triagers can easily do, so that will help. An updated wiki page with detailed instructions on how to create, test, and package hooks would be nice though. The page that already exists ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport/DeveloperHowTo#Package%20Hooks) gives great info on how to create a hook, but it doesn't detail how to package the hooks and get them ready for use. Dray On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Nigel Babu wrote: > On Wed, 2010-05-19 at 21:35 +0530, Nigel Babu wrote: > > I wasn't suggesting the wiki to give information, I was suggesting using > > it as a work list. We do have all the information we need. Just need > > more people working on it. > > > > Warm Regards > > Nigel Babu > > > > > > I just spoke to deryck from the LP team and the feature to subscribe to > a tag is coming up in the next 2 to 3 months, so both options are evenly > matched and just need input from folks who've used them. After hearing > Sense's and micahg's opnion (earlier), I'm inclined to use tags unless I > hear a compelling argument against it. > > Warm Regards > Nigel Babu > > > -- > Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list > Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From qense at ubuntu.com Wed May 19 17:16:42 2010 From: qense at ubuntu.com (Sense Hofstede) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 19:16:42 +0200 Subject: Make more apport hooks In-Reply-To: References: <1274283586.1800.8.camel@nigelbabu-laptop> Message-ID: On 19 May 2010 18:44, markus korn wrote: > On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Nigel Babu wrote: >> Hello fellow triagers: >> >> Over the past cycles, we've seen that bugs with an apport hook are >> easier to triage since most of the required information is collected and >> we can easily identify the source of the bug.  Not many people know how >> to write a hook though.  Last cycle, I wrote 2 hooks, one for rhythmbox >> and one for cheese, and I can say I have a good idea on how to go about >> it.  I'd like to share this knowledge with anyone interested. >> >> Most of the time, upstream doesn't know how to write a hook and are >> confused as to whom to ask for help.  The idea is to train a bunch of >> people to be able to write hooks.  Now, I'd like to open a discussion on >> how we go about it. >> >> Option A >> We create a wiki page where there would be a table with package name, >> bug number, and upstream contact name/irc nick.  Upstream contacts or >> Ubuntu developers can open a bug with the information that a hook should >> collect and list the bug there with their nickname so we can get in >> touch with them if we run into any issues.  Anyone interested can >> subscribe to the wiki page and assign the bug to themselves if they're >> working on writing the hook.  Once upstream is happy with the >> information, package it, and request sponsorship for the bug fix. >> >> Option B >> We create a tag like 'apport-hook-request' (or whatever) and we keep >> track of all the bugs with that tag.  Anyone who wants can assign the >> bug to themselves and work on it. Disadvantage here would be that its >> difficult to get a nudge when a new 'apport-hook-request' tag is added, >> which might mean more infrastructure to be set up like a team being >> subscribed, etc. >> >> Or we could mix both. >> >> Anyone would like to offer comments or suggestions? >> > > Hey, > I think the best idea would be to create a project called > "ubuntu-bugpatterns", and make the bugsquad its contact. > This way we can use the full power of launchpad to organize our > efforts, like we get this nice bug views to show us the state of > pending hooks, we can discuss hooks in bugreports. We can even move > the branch to the project and use code review features etc. > > And if we are happy with a hook, we just open a task for the ubuntu > package to track the progress of adding this hook the the related > package. > > Markus > I'm against the use of yet another Launchpad project; not only would it provide _another_ place where bugs can get lost, it would also require more work to maintain; more work than I think is necessary. Why can't we use the 'ubuntu' project? The bugs would only be used for discussing Apport hooks, so there is no need to take that discussion to a separate project, or maintain its status elsewhere. Adding a tag is very easy and it allows you to maintain an overview and get bug views, just as a project would. -- Sense Hofstede [ˈsɛn.sə ˈɦɔf.steː.də] From brian at ubuntu.com Wed May 19 17:52:38 2010 From: brian at ubuntu.com (Brian Murray) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 10:52:38 -0700 Subject: epiphany vs epiphany-browser In-Reply-To: <1274284907.1800.13.camel@nigelbabu-laptop> References: <1274284907.1800.13.camel@nigelbabu-laptop> Message-ID: <20100519175238.GU29399@murraytwins.com> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 09:31:47PM +0530, Nigel Babu wrote: > Hello folks: > > Just giving out an alert > > == epiphany == > Package: epiphany > Section: universe/games > Description: clone of Boulder Dash game > Epiphany is a multi-platform clone of Boulder Dash. > In this game, the player must collect all the valuable minerals > scattered in each level, while avoiding being hit by a falling > boulder or, worse, by a bomb. > . > Boulder Dash was one of the best games ever made for the > Commodore 64. > > == epiphany-browser == > Package: epiphany-browser > Section: universe/gnome > Description: Intuitive GNOME web browser > Epiphany is a simple yet powerful GNOME web browser targeted at > non-technical users. Its principles are simplicity and standards > compliance. Simplicity is achieved by a well designed user interface > and reliance on external applications for performing external tasks > (such as reading email). Simplicity should not mean less powerful. > Standards compliance is achieved on the HTML side by using the > WebKitGTK+ rendering engine; and on the user interface side by > closely following the GNOME Human Interface Guidelines (HIG) and by > close integration with the GNOME desktop. > > The browser is epiphany-browser, *not* epiphany What prompted this alert are bugs misfiled about one package versus the other? Maybe there is something that can be done to resolve this if so. -- Brian Murray Ubuntu Bug Master -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From brian at ubuntu.com Wed May 19 18:18:00 2010 From: brian at ubuntu.com (Brian Murray) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 11:18:00 -0700 Subject: Is BugControl dense? In-Reply-To: References: <1274119027.14599.97.camel@xango2> <1274126294.14599.131.camel@xango2> Message-ID: <20100519181800.GW29399@murraytwins.com> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 10:39:59AM -0400, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Robert Lummis wrote: > > I > > keep going around in web page circles without ever getting to a place > > that actually lets me report a bug or work on a bug report from > > someone else. > > http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs > Pick one. Rather than just picking any bug report I'd pick one about a piece of software I use a lot or enjoy using. For example, I have a Kindle and use calibre a fair bit so I'd look at bug reports about calibre since I could easily confirm them and help move them along. -- Brian Murray Ubuntu Bug Master -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From brian at ubuntu.com Wed May 19 18:24:43 2010 From: brian at ubuntu.com (Brian Murray) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 11:24:43 -0700 Subject: Make more apport hooks In-Reply-To: <1274283586.1800.8.camel@nigelbabu-laptop> References: <1274283586.1800.8.camel@nigelbabu-laptop> Message-ID: <20100519182443.GX29399@murraytwins.com> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 09:09:46PM +0530, Nigel Babu wrote: > Hello fellow triagers: > > Over the past cycles, we've seen that bugs with an apport hook are > easier to triage since most of the required information is collected and > we can easily identify the source of the bug. Not many people know how > to write a hook though. Last cycle, I wrote 2 hooks, one for rhythmbox > and one for cheese, and I can say I have a good idea on how to go about > it. I'd like to share this knowledge with anyone interested. I gave a class on how to write apport hooks somewhat recently: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/devweek1001/DetailingBugs I've also thought that it might be worthwhile to look at Debian's reportbug gathers for bug reports. See further '/usr/share/bug/'. -- Brian Murray Ubuntu Bug Master -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From robert.lummis at gmail.com Wed May 19 18:23:58 2010 From: robert.lummis at gmail.com (Robert Lummis) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 14:23:58 -0400 Subject: Is BugControl dense? In-Reply-To: References: <1274119027.14599.97.camel@xango2> <1274126294.14599.131.camel@xango2> Message-ID: Since you asked... I decided (rightly or wrongly) that the package against which the bug needed to be reported was ubiquity so after reading some instructions I ran "ubuntu-bug ubiquity". That failed with a message that it couldn't access the log file. Sure enough, the ubiquity log file is owned by root, mode 600. So I tried "sudo ubuntu-bug ubiquity". That terminated silently without doing anything. Or maybe it sent the log file somewhere (who knows where?) but it never gave me a chance to write a description of the problem. The log file would be useless for the particular problem I wanted to report, which is that screen 4 of the installer script for 10.04 is misleading about which disk it is going to partition, and that selecting what seems to be the sensible default results in partitioning and installing on a disk that can't be booted. On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Robert Lummis wrote: >> I >> keep going around in web page circles without ever getting to a place >> that actually lets me report a bug or work on a bug report from >> someone else. > > http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs > Pick one. > >> I tried to use the tools to report a bug I encountered >> but the tools didn't work (at least for my particular bug). > > The "ubuntu-bug" command didn't work? > >> Maybe I need a better understanding of Linux internals to be helpful. >> That would be understandable and not surprising. But if that is the >> case please say so up front and don't pretend that willingness to help >> is the main prerequisite. > > I wouldn't be surprised if part of the issue was Launchpad being > confusing.  After nearly 4 years of using it, I still find pages I > didn't know existed. > > -- > Mackenzie Morgan > http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com > apt-get moo > > -- > Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list > Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad > -- Robert Lummis From costamagnagianfranco at yahoo.it Wed May 19 19:13:59 2010 From: costamagnagianfranco at yahoo.it (Gianfranco Costamagna) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 19:13:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Little information about uploading a ppa In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <34853.63303.qm@web26703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> mmm scp could be a good idea... But there is a problem... I cannot use ssh... The only method allowed is http transfer... :S thanks gianfranco Message: 3 Date: > Wed, 19 May 2010 11:20:22 -0400 From: Mackenzie Morgan < > ymailto="mailto:macoafi at gmail.com" > href="mailto:macoafi at gmail.com">macoafi at gmail.com> Subject: Re: Little > information about uploading a ppa To: > ymailto="mailto:ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com" > href="mailto:ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: > < > ymailto="mailto:AANLkTikvVAMKtM1T2Cijb29HTM5MVbuxI3byDrmrWJ1D at mail.gmail.com" > href="mailto:AANLkTikvVAMKtM1T2Cijb29HTM5MVbuxI3byDrmrWJ1D at mail.gmail.com">AANLkTikvVAMKtM1T2Cijb29HTM5MVbuxI3byDrmrWJ1D at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: > text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 4:33 AM, Gianfranco > Costamagna < > href="mailto:costamagnagianfranco at yahoo.it">costamagnagianfranco at yahoo.it> > wrote: > Hi, I want upload my package into my ppa, but in my network I > cannot use ftp mode... > > How could I upload it via http > mode? > I get this error Upload failed: 405 Method Not Allowed You > can't. dput just uses ftp on the backend. *Maybe* you can scp > them? -- Mackenzie Morgan > href="http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com" target=_blank > >http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com apt-get > moo From ben.root at ou.edu Wed May 19 19:22:58 2010 From: ben.root at ou.edu (Benjamin Root) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 14:22:58 -0500 Subject: Little information about uploading a ppa In-Reply-To: <34853.63303.qm@web26703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <34853.63303.qm@web26703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I am not a networking guru by any means but here is a thought... Is your network blocking the protocol itself or the most-commonly-used port? If it is blocking the port, couldn't that be worked around, maybe with a proxy of some sort? Ben Root On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Gianfranco Costamagna < costamagnagianfranco at yahoo.it> wrote: > mmm scp could be a good idea... But there is a problem... I cannot use > ssh... > > The only method allowed is http transfer... :S > > thanks > > gianfranco > > > Message: 3 > Date: > > Wed, 19 May 2010 11:20:22 -0400 > From: Mackenzie Morgan < > > ymailto="mailto:macoafi at gmail.com" > > href="mailto:macoafi at gmail.com">macoafi at gmail.com> > Subject: Re: Little > > information about uploading a ppa > To: > > ymailto="mailto:ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com" > > href="mailto:ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com"> > ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com > Message-ID: > > > < > > ymailto="mailto: > AANLkTikvVAMKtM1T2Cijb29HTM5MVbuxI3byDrmrWJ1D at mail.gmail.com" > > href="mailto: > AANLkTikvVAMKtM1T2Cijb29HTM5MVbuxI3byDrmrWJ1D at mail.gmail.com"> > AANLkTikvVAMKtM1T2Cijb29HTM5MVbuxI3byDrmrWJ1D at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: > > text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 4:33 AM, Gianfranco > > Costamagna > < > > href="mailto:costamagnagianfranco at yahoo.it"> > costamagnagianfranco at yahoo.it> > > wrote: > > Hi, I want upload my package into my ppa, but in my network I > > cannot use ftp mode... > > > > How could I upload it via http > > mode? > > I get this error Upload failed: 405 Method Not Allowed > > You > > can't. dput just uses ftp on the backend. *Maybe* you can scp > > them? > > -- > Mackenzie Morgan > > > href="http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com" target=_blank > > >http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com > apt-get > > moo > > > > > > -- > Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list > Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dufresnep at gmail.com Wed May 19 21:47:05 2010 From: dufresnep at gmail.com (Paul Dufresne) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 17:47:05 -0400 Subject: Allowing to upgrade a not updated installation Message-ID: I began to take a look at bugs on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100520 . Looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/576923 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/576920 one can see that update-manager version is well under 0.126.9. I am asking myself why does update-manager allows an upgrade without a prior update? Or at least does it warns the user before accepting? How well update-manager is expected to be able to handle an upgrade withour prior update? From yofel at gmx.net Wed May 19 22:15:31 2010 From: yofel at gmx.net (Philip Muskovac) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 00:15:31 +0200 Subject: Find the right... package? Message-ID: <4BF46303.1050809@gmx.net> As most of us know we have a wiki page about that. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage What I'm wondering about is: Is anyone actually taking care of that page regularily? The fact that I recently added notify-osd and plymouth to the page seems to say no. Considering that we reference that page at a lot of places (and not only on team internal pages) we should get more people to add information to it. How about having a wiki day/week about a week before Feature/Beta Freeze to update it for the new release? Here a few things that I find are missing and I'm not sure what the best way to add them is / I don't know enough about them to add them: - general system bootup / grub2 upstart? We only have references for splash, kernel, xorg and live disk. I'm not sure how much detail would be right here. - does it make sense to add something encryption related? - Mention the indicators? - drivers? (Or should jockey be a bit more verbose?) Also I only found the storage symptom being mentioned and I'm sure others can add more to the list. Philip. From ryan484lav at freemymail.com Wed May 19 22:30:27 2010 From: ryan484lav at freemymail.com (Ryan Laverdiere) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 18:30:27 -0400 Subject: Becoming a part of the Bug Squad Message-ID: Hi I am Ryan and I am interested in helping with the Ubuntu Bug Squad my launchpad ID is ryan484lav and I have read the Triage Guide. Thanks, Ryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nigelbabu at ubuntu.com Wed May 19 23:03:05 2010 From: nigelbabu at ubuntu.com (Nigel Babu) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 04:33:05 +0530 Subject: epiphany vs epiphany-browser In-Reply-To: <20100519175238.GU29399@murraytwins.com> References: <1274284907.1800.13.camel@nigelbabu-laptop> <20100519175238.GU29399@murraytwins.com> Message-ID: <1274310185.6262.4.camel@nigelbabu-laptop> On Wed, 2010-05-19 at 10:52 -0700, Brian Murray wrote: > On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 09:31:47PM +0530, Nigel Babu wrote: > > Hello folks: > > > > Just giving out an alert > > > > == epiphany == > > Package: epiphany > > Section: universe/games > > Description: clone of Boulder Dash game > > Epiphany is a multi-platform clone of Boulder Dash. > > In this game, the player must collect all the valuable minerals > > scattered in each level, while avoiding being hit by a falling > > boulder or, worse, by a bomb. > > . > > Boulder Dash was one of the best games ever made for the > > Commodore 64. > > > > == epiphany-browser == > > Package: epiphany-browser > > Section: universe/gnome > > Description: Intuitive GNOME web browser > > Epiphany is a simple yet powerful GNOME web browser targeted at > > non-technical users. Its principles are simplicity and standards > > compliance. Simplicity is achieved by a well designed user interface > > and reliance on external applications for performing external tasks > > (such as reading email). Simplicity should not mean less powerful. > > Standards compliance is achieved on the HTML side by using the > > WebKitGTK+ rendering engine; and on the user interface side by > > closely following the GNOME Human Interface Guidelines (HIG) and by > > close integration with the GNOME desktop. > > > > The browser is epiphany-browser, *not* epiphany > > > What prompted this alert are bugs misfiled about one package versus the > other? Maybe there is something that can be done to resolve this if so. > > -- > Brian Murray > Ubuntu Bug Master Over the past few mpnths, its always getting filed against epiphany and someone redirects. Yesterday a bug guided from no package to epiphany instead of epiphany-browser, hence the alert. Warm Regards Nigel Babu From macoafi at gmail.com Thu May 20 13:47:01 2010 From: macoafi at gmail.com (Mackenzie Morgan) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 09:47:01 -0400 Subject: Is BugControl dense? In-Reply-To: References: <1274119027.14599.97.camel@xango2> <1274126294.14599.131.camel@xango2> Message-ID: On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Robert Lummis wrote: > Since you asked... I decided (rightly or wrongly) that the package > against which the bug needed to be reported was ubiquity so after > reading some instructions I ran "ubuntu-bug ubiquity". That failed > with a message that it couldn't access the log file. Sure enough, the > ubiquity log file is owned by root, mode 600. So I tried "sudo > ubuntu-bug ubiquity". That terminated silently without doing anything. > Or maybe it sent the log file somewhere (who knows where?) but it > never gave me a chance to write a description of the problem. Yuck. Alright...I wonder who wrote the hook for Ubiquity. If it uncompromisingly wants a log it can't access, that's a big problem. Try this as a workaround til that package hook is fixed: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+filebug?no-redirect -- Mackenzie Morgan http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com apt-get moo From hggdh2 at ubuntu.com Thu May 20 20:16:37 2010 From: hggdh2 at ubuntu.com (C de-Avillez) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 15:16:37 -0500 Subject: Allowing to upgrade a not updated installation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1274386597.1371.20.camel@xango2> On Wed, 2010-05-19 at 17:47 -0400, Paul Dufresne wrote: > I began to take a look at bugs on > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100520 . > > Looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/576923 I guess the bug # is wrong here, bug 576923 deals with wresp (i.e., completely outside of Ubuntu). > and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/576920 > one can see that update-manager version is well under 0.126.9. > > I am asking myself why does update-manager allows an upgrade without a > prior update? > Or at least does it warns the user before accepting? > > How well update-manager is expected to be able to handle an upgrade > withour prior update? This is a good question. It is probable that u-m should start by updating the repositories for the current release, and then verifying some values (which ones, exactly, I am not sure), and offering to first do a full current update, and *then* offering a version upgrade. So... I would open a bug on u-m asking for more consistency checks before doing an Ubuntu version upgrade. Would you mind opening this as a bug? Thank you. -- C de-Avillez IRC: hggdh -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From hggdh2 at ubuntu.com Thu May 20 20:21:11 2010 From: hggdh2 at ubuntu.com (C de-Avillez) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 15:21:11 -0500 Subject: Find the right... package? In-Reply-To: <4BF46303.1050809@gmx.net> References: <4BF46303.1050809@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1274386871.1371.24.camel@xango2> On Thu, 2010-05-20 at 00:15 +0200, Philip Muskovac wrote: > As most of us know we have a wiki page about that. > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage > > What I'm wondering about is: > Is anyone actually taking care of that page regularily? The fact that I > recently added notify-osd and plymouth to the page seems to say no. > Considering that we reference that page at a lot of places (and not only > on team internal pages) we should get more people to add information to it. > How about having a wiki day/week about a week before Feature/Beta Freeze > to update it for the new release? This sounds like a good idea. Care to jump-start the process? ;-) > > Here a few things that I find are missing and I'm not sure what the best > way to add them is / I don't know enough about them to add them: > > - general system bootup / grub2 upstart? We only have references for > splash, kernel, xorg and live disk. I'm not sure how much detail would > be right here. > - does it make sense to add something encryption related? > - Mention the indicators? > - drivers? (Or should jockey be a bit more verbose?) > > Also I only found the storage symptom being mentioned and I'm sure > others can add more to the list. Theoretically, we should be continuously correcting/adding/adjusting this page, and all others related to it. @All: please feel free to collaborate. If in doubt, there is always this mailing list, or the #ubuntu-bugs IRC channel. Thank you, -- C de-Avillez IRC: hggdh -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From nigelbabu at ubuntu.com Fri May 21 13:28:53 2010 From: nigelbabu at ubuntu.com (Nigel Babu) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 18:58:53 +0530 Subject: Proposed new tag 'apport-hook' Message-ID: <1274448533.2689.26.camel@nigelbabu-laptop> Hello fellow triagers: I would like to propose a new tag 'apport-hook'. With the ongoing efforts to improve apport coverage to more packages, especially the ones in main, this tag would help us track bugs for new apport hooks and problems with existing hooks. I'd like to hear thoughts on this. If I don't hear a compelling reason against, I'll be going ahead and adding this to documentation. Warm Regards Nigel Babu -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Maybe there is something that can be done to resolve this if so. >> >> -- >> Brian Murray >> Ubuntu Bug Master > > Over the past few mpnths, its always getting filed against epiphany and > someone redirects. Yesterday a bug guided from no package to epiphany > instead of epiphany-browser, hence the alert. > > Warm Regards > Nigel Babu Brian, can you add a message to the epiphany package bug submsision page that mentions something like "If you are trying to report a bug against the Epiphany Browser, the correct package is epiphany browser. Please run ubuntu-bug epiphany-browser" Thanks, Micah -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkv2il4ACgkQTniv4aqX/Vl21QCdGOPUxNR4QP/MdW8QzVSRBFUB jCAAnRel5EUBOJvpx2bFGYd/8Vnbr+ag =Gnt5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From brian at ubuntu.com Fri May 21 15:41:12 2010 From: brian at ubuntu.com (Brian Murray) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 08:41:12 -0700 Subject: epiphany vs epiphany-browser In-Reply-To: <4BF68A6C.10806@ubuntu.com> References: <1274284907.1800.13.camel@nigelbabu-laptop> <20100519175238.GU29399@murraytwins.com> <1274310185.6262.4.camel@nigelbabu-laptop> <4BF68A6C.10806@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20100521154112.GE29399@murraytwins.com> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 08:28:12AM -0500, Micah Gersten wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 05/19/2010 06:03 PM, Nigel Babu wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-05-19 at 10:52 -0700, Brian Murray wrote: > >> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 09:31:47PM +0530, Nigel Babu wrote: > >>> Hello folks: > >>> > >>> Just giving out an alert > >>> > > >>> > >>> The browser is epiphany-browser, *not* epiphany > >> > >> > >> What prompted this alert are bugs misfiled about one package versus the > >> other? Maybe there is something that can be done to resolve this if so. > >> > >> -- > >> Brian Murray > >> Ubuntu Bug Master > > > > Over the past few mpnths, its always getting filed against epiphany and > > someone redirects. Yesterday a bug guided from no package to epiphany > > instead of epiphany-browser, hence the alert. > > > > Warm Regards > > Nigel Babu > > Brian, can you add a message to the epiphany package bug submsision page > that mentions something like "If you are trying to report a bug against > the Epiphany Browser, the correct package is epiphany browser. Please > run ubuntu-bug epiphany-browser" Yes, that'd be easy however this wouldn't help the particular problem, as I understand it, which is the assignment of "no package" bug reports to epiphany instead of epiphany-browser. -- Brian Murray Ubuntu Bug Master -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Please >> run ubuntu-bug epiphany-browser" > > Yes, that'd be easy however this wouldn't help the particular problem, as > I understand it, which is the assignment of "no package" bug reports to > epiphany instead of epiphany-browser. Can't see much way around that except to keep reminding BugSquad/BugControl of what's right (add it to the wiki certainly) -- Mackenzie Morgan http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com apt-get moo From jtniehof at gmail.com Fri May 21 18:12:09 2010 From: jtniehof at gmail.com (Jonathan Niehof) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 14:12:09 -0400 Subject: epiphany vs epiphany-browser In-Reply-To: References: <1274284907.1800.13.camel@nigelbabu-laptop> <20100519175238.GU29399@murraytwins.com> <1274310185.6262.4.camel@nigelbabu-laptop> <4BF68A6C.10806@ubuntu.com> <20100521154112.GE29399@murraytwins.com> Message-ID: On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > Can't see much way around that except to keep reminding > BugSquad/BugControl of what's right (add it to the wiki certainly) Good idea; this seemed like the spot: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage#Epiphany From brunogirin at gmail.com Fri May 21 23:39:50 2010 From: brunogirin at gmail.com (Bruno Girin) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 00:39:50 +0100 Subject: Proposed new tag 'apport-hook' In-Reply-To: References: <1274448533.2689.26.camel@nigelbabu-laptop> Message-ID: <1274485190.3077.0.camel@nuuk> On Fri, 2010-05-21 at 15:29 +0200, Sense Hofstede wrote: > On 21 May 2010 15:28, Nigel Babu wrote: > > Hello fellow triagers: > > > > I would like to propose a new tag 'apport-hook'. With the ongoing > > efforts to improve apport coverage to more packages, especially the ones > > in main, this tag would help us track bugs for new apport hooks and > > problems with existing hooks. I'd like to hear thoughts on this. If I > > don't hear a compelling reason against, I'll be going ahead and adding > > this to documentation. > > > > Warm Regards > > Nigel Babu > > > +1 +1 Bruno From stenten at gmail.com Sat May 22 04:27:06 2010 From: stenten at gmail.com (Steven Tenaglia) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 00:27:06 -0400 Subject: Bug Squad Join Request Message-ID: Hello, I just requested to join the Bug Squad. Launchpad: https://launchpad.net/~stenten I've read HowToTriage (along with every other page I could find under wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs) I plan on spending time in xserver-xorg-video-intel and xorg/xorg-server. I've read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Debugging, especially /Reporting and /Triaging. I might also dabble in kernel triaging. I also might sign up for the mentor program. 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Later, I hope to go through and come up with ideas for larger improvements, but I will make sure to consult the team before making any significant changes and will save backups on my system in case people want the changes to be reverted. It would also be great if new members could give us feedback on areas where the wiki pages are unclear or confusing so those issues can be addressed. Keep up the great work everyone! Dray [ddecator] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From qense at ubuntu.com Sat May 22 14:00:30 2010 From: qense at ubuntu.com (Sense Hofstede) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 16:00:30 +0200 Subject: Ayatana bug tags Message-ID: Hello, On request of Jorge Castro I've defined a few bug tags for use with several transitioning projects related to Ayatana. The two new tags are 'global-menu' — — and 'trayaway' — . The first one is for problems that arise with applications when the Global Menu is enabled. Currently there are no bugs using that tag. The second tag is for the Notification Area transition — — some applications still refer to the tray in their settings and dialogues, but that should be removed once the tray is gone as well. Another tag we've been using last cycle was 'indicator-application' — — for bugs related to the Application Indicators. At first the tag was mostly used for applications that needed to be ported to Application Indicators (the tag still gives you a nice list if you want to do some work), but later in the cycle bug reports about issues with the implementation of Application Indicators in the users also ended up on this list. I would like to ask everyone at the two lists to use the tags when necessary. But only when necessary, because if we want to make sure the list of bugs under a certain tag remains usable we need to tag with care. This means: don't tag bugs reported against the projects themselves, i.e. don't tag bug reports reported against the 'indicator-application' package with 'indicator-application'. The tags are purely for issues with those projects in _other_ applications. The complete list can be found at . Please keep the tag list up-to-date if you add a new one. Regards, -- Sense Hofstede [ˈsɛn.sə ˈɦɔf.steː.də] From ben.root at ou.edu Sat May 22 17:26:53 2010 From: ben.root at ou.edu (Benjamin Root) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 12:26:53 -0500 Subject: Proposed new tag 'apport-hook' In-Reply-To: <1274485190.3077.0.camel@nuuk> References: <1274448533.2689.26.camel@nigelbabu-laptop> <1274485190.3077.0.camel@nuuk> Message-ID: ubuntu-bug has mod points now? How do I earn some? :-P On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 6:39 PM, Bruno Girin wrote: > On Fri, 2010-05-21 at 15:29 +0200, Sense Hofstede wrote: > > On 21 May 2010 15:28, Nigel Babu wrote: > > > Hello fellow triagers: > > > > > > I would like to propose a new tag 'apport-hook'. With the ongoing > > > efforts to improve apport coverage to more packages, especially the > ones > > > in main, this tag would help us track bugs for new apport hooks and > > > problems with existing hooks. I'd like to hear thoughts on this. If I > > > don't hear a compelling reason against, I'll be going ahead and adding > > > this to documentation. > > > > > > Warm Regards > > > Nigel Babu > > > > > +1 > > +1 > > Bruno > > > > -- > Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list > Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian at codingfriends.com Mon May 24 07:46:48 2010 From: ian at codingfriends.com (Ian Porter) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 08:46:48 +0100 Subject: Minor wiki cleanup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Draycen, I would say that the biggest thing for me, was that when I joined the bugsquad team I thought that I would be able to change the status of bugs etc without having to goto the IRC to request someone else to do it, I release it is not good for people to just go ahead. So I suppose the biggest thing is to point out that it is a step ladder effect as such, you may have joined the bugsquad team but you still need to be held by the hand with requesting the bugs team to alter status on bugs, unless I have miss read things completely ? or things have changed ? I think it would be good to have mentors ( or virtual mentors as such ) to guide through the first bug and advice what is missing etc, or a wiki page going from a bug posted and then advice and examples on what to look for... just my point of view. Regards Ian site: www.codingfriends.com On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Draycen DeCator wrote: > Hello fellow triagers! > > As part of my involvement with the Ubuntu Beginners Team's Wiki Focus Group, > I plan to help improve the Bug Squad wiki pages during the annual Summer of > Documentation. > > I am currently fixing minor issues such as misspelled words, grammar issues, > etc. The wikis represent our community and are the first contact a lot of > interested users have with the team, and as such I feel it is important that > our pages don't provide "intructions" for triaging. > > Later, I hope to go through and come up with ideas for larger improvements, > but I will make sure to consult the team before making any significant > changes and will save backups on my system in case people want the changes > to be reverted. > > It would also be great if new members could give us feedback on areas where > the wiki pages are unclear or confusing so those issues can be addressed. > > Keep up the great work everyone! > Dray [ddecator] > > -- > Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list > Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad > > From ddecator at gmail.com Mon May 24 08:06:34 2010 From: ddecator at gmail.com (Draycen DeCator) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 03:06:34 -0500 Subject: Minor wiki cleanup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ian, Thanks for the input, and I completely agree! After reading through the wikis again, it is confusing that only Bug Control members can change the status to triaged and set an importance (it's only mentioned here and there). I will definitely try to think of a way to integrate an area that fully explains how the system is setup. This will help make the wiki cleaner as well since there won't be as much of a need to constantly say "get on IRC and ask someone to do this for you." We do have Bug Squad mentors, although the mentorships are not very well advertised on the wiki (in my opinion). There are also plans for us to improve the mentorship process, so once that is closer to being done I will also try to find a way to make the optional mentorship more known. Hopefully this will become popular and we can get more Bug Control members to become mentors. Finally, the walkthrough of a bug is a great idea! I know a lot of new triagers want this (I know I did when first starting out). I will look into creating a page that walks through a typical bug from start to finish so triagers can "see" how everything works. Thanks again for the suggestions, and I welcome more from others! Dray [ddecator] On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 2:46 AM, Ian Porter wrote: > Hi Draycen, > > I would say that the biggest thing for me, was that when I joined the > bugsquad team I thought that I would be able to change the status of > bugs etc without having to goto the IRC to request someone else to do > it, I release it is not good for people to just go ahead. So I > suppose the biggest thing is to point out that it is a step ladder > effect as such, you may have joined the bugsquad team but you still > need to be held by the hand with requesting the bugs team to alter > status on bugs, unless I have miss read things completely ? or things > have changed ? > > I think it would be good to have mentors ( or virtual mentors as such > ) to guide through the first bug and advice what is missing etc, or a > wiki page going from a bug posted and then advice and examples on what > to look for... just my point of view. > > Regards > Ian > > site: www.codingfriends.com > > On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Draycen DeCator > wrote: > > Hello fellow triagers! > > > > As part of my involvement with the Ubuntu Beginners Team's Wiki Focus > Group, > > I plan to help improve the Bug Squad wiki pages during the annual Summer > of > > Documentation. > > > > I am currently fixing minor issues such as misspelled words, grammar > issues, > > etc. The wikis represent our community and are the first contact a lot of > > interested users have with the team, and as such I feel it is important > that > > our pages don't provide "intructions" for triaging. > > > > Later, I hope to go through and come up with ideas for larger > improvements, > > but I will make sure to consult the team before making any significant > > changes and will save backups on my system in case people want the > changes > > to be reverted. > > > > It would also be great if new members could give us feedback on areas > where > > the wiki pages are unclear or confusing so those issues can be addressed. > > > > Keep up the great work everyone! > > Dray [ddecator] > > > > -- > > Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list > > Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From qense at ubuntu.com Mon May 24 08:22:09 2010 From: qense at ubuntu.com (Sense Hofstede) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 10:22:09 +0200 Subject: Minor wiki cleanup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 24 May 2010 10:06, Draycen DeCator wrote: > Ian, > > Thanks for the input, and I completely agree! After reading through the > wikis again, it is confusing that only Bug Control members can change the > status to triaged and set an importance (it's only mentioned here and > there). I will definitely try to think of a way to integrate an area that > fully explains how the system is setup. This will help make the wiki cleaner > as well since there won't be as much of a need to constantly say "get on IRC > and ask someone to do this for you." > > We do have Bug Squad mentors, although the mentorships are not very well > advertised on the wiki (in my opinion). There are also plans for us to > improve the mentorship process, so once that is closer to being done I will > also try to find a way to make the optional mentorship more known. Hopefully > this will become popular and we can get more Bug Control members to become > mentors. > > Finally, the walkthrough of a bug is a great idea! I know a lot of new > triagers want this (I know I did when first starting out). I will look into > creating a page that walks through a typical bug from start to finish so > triagers can "see" how everything works. > > Thanks again for the suggestions, and I welcome more from others! > > Dray [ddecator] > > On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 2:46 AM, Ian Porter wrote: >> >> Hi Draycen, >> >> I would say that the biggest thing for me, was that when I joined the >> bugsquad team I thought that I would be able to change the status of >> bugs etc without having to goto the IRC to request someone else to do >> it, I release it is not good for people to just go ahead.  So I >> suppose the biggest thing is to point out that it is a step ladder >> effect as such, you may have joined the bugsquad team but you still >> need to be held by the hand with requesting the bugs team to alter >> status on bugs, unless I have miss read things completely ? or things >> have changed ? >> >> I think it would be good to have mentors ( or virtual mentors as such >> ) to guide through the first bug and advice what is missing etc, or a >> wiki page going from a bug posted and then advice and examples on what >> to look for... just my point of view. >> >> Regards >> Ian >> >> site: www.codingfriends.com >> >> On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Draycen DeCator >> wrote: >> > Hello fellow triagers! >> > >> > As part of my involvement with the Ubuntu Beginners Team's Wiki Focus >> > Group, >> > I plan to help improve the Bug Squad wiki pages during the annual Summer >> > of >> > Documentation. >> > >> > I am currently fixing minor issues such as misspelled words, grammar >> > issues, >> > etc. The wikis represent our community and are the first contact a lot >> > of >> > interested users have with the team, and as such I feel it is important >> > that >> > our pages don't provide "intructions" for triaging. >> > >> > Later, I hope to go through and come up with ideas for larger >> > improvements, >> > but I will make sure to consult the team before making any significant >> > changes and will save backups on my system in case people want the >> > changes >> > to be reverted. >> > >> > It would also be great if new members could give us feedback on areas >> > where >> > the wiki pages are unclear or confusing so those issues can be >> > addressed. >> > >> > Keep up the great work everyone! >> > Dray [ddecator] >> > I'm actually interrupting my work on the wiki page of the Bug Squad's mentorship programme to write this response; within an hour or so it should be ready and available from . If you need to change anything to that page to make it fit in with your planned work on the wiki pages, you're free to do so. Thank you for working on the wiki! It is very important work, but often neglected. It's good that someone has decided to take a look at its current state . Regards, -- Sense Hofstede [ˈsɛn.sə ˈɦɔf.steː.də] From ricardolameiro at gmail.com Mon May 24 15:34:21 2010 From: ricardolameiro at gmail.com (Ricardo Lameiro) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 16:34:21 +0100 Subject: application to the bug squad team Message-ID: Hello i just applied to the bug squad team. I am involved on the ubuntustudio testing team and i read the triage guide. My launchapad id is: https://launchpad.net/~rlameiro or rlameiro Best regards Ricardo Lameiro -- Fagote / Contrafagote Bassoon / Contra-bassoon http://myspace.com/ricardolameiro -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The following page has been changed by qense: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Tags?action=diff&rev1=154&rev2=155 The comment on the change is: Added four Ayatana tags (two on request of Jorge Castro): indicator-applet, indicator-application, global-menu and trayaway ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ || [[https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=indicator-application|`indicator-application`]] || Bugs that are related to [[ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators | application indicators ]] in Lucid || || [[https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=units-policy|`units-policy`]] || A bug that violates the UnitsPolicy || || [[https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=touch|`touch`]] || an issue with touch support in applications or X || + + == Ayatana == + Specific bugs concerning parts of the [[https://launchpad.net/ayatana|Ayatana project]]. + + || '''Tag''' || '''Use case''' || + ||[[https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=global-menu|`global-menu`]] || Bugs related to Global Menu that will be used for the first time in the Ubuntu Maverick Netbook Edition. || + ||[[https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=indicator-applet|`indicator-applet`]] || Bugs related to the use of the Indicator Applet that are not in the 'indicator-applet' package (no Application Indicators!) || + ||[[https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=indicator-application|`indicator-application`]] || Bugs related to the use of Indicator Application that are not in the 'indicator-application' package || + ||[[https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=trayaway|`trayaway`]] || Bugs related to the [[NotificationAreaTransition|Notification Area transition]].|| == X Specific == From frederik.nnaji at gmail.com Sat May 22 15:20:04 2010 From: frederik.nnaji at gmail.com (Frederik Nnaji) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 17:20:04 +0200 Subject: [Ayatana] Ayatana bug tags In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Sense On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 16:00, Sense Hofstede wrote: > Hello, > > On request of Jorge Castro I've defined a few bug tags for use with > several transitioning projects related to Ayatana. > > The two new tags are 'global-menu' — > — > and 'trayaway' — > . The > first one is for problems that arise with applications when the Global > Menu is enabled. Currently there are no bugs using that tag. The > second tag is for the Notification Area transition — > — some > applications still refer to the tray in their settings and dialogues, > but that should be removed once the tray is gone as well. > > Another tag we've been using last cycle was 'indicator-application' — > > — for bugs related to the Application Indicators. At first the tag was > mostly used for applications that needed to be ported to Application > Indicators (the tag still gives you a nice list if you want to do some > work), but later in the cycle bug reports about issues with the > implementation of Application Indicators in the users also ended up on > this list. > > I would like to ask everyone at the two lists to use the tags when > necessary. But only when necessary, because if we want to make sure > the list of bugs under a certain tag remains usable we need to tag > with care. This means: don't tag bugs reported against the projects > themselves, i.e. don't tag bug reports reported against the > 'indicator-application' package with 'indicator-application'. The tags > are purely for issues with those projects in _other_ applications. > > The complete list can be found at > . Please keep the tag list > up-to-date if you add a new one. > > Regards, > -- > Sense Hofstede > [ˈsɛn.sə ˈɦɔf.steː.də] Ayatana nice and well, but have you considered contacting Martin Pitt on this? He developed Apport and might be a relevant person to inform about this.. 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The following page has been changed by jtniehof: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage?action=diff&rev1=109&rev2=110 The comment on the change is: Added note on epiphany ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ * firefox-3.5 - the default version in Karmic (9.10) also available in Jaunty (9.04) * firefox - the default version in Lucid (10.04) -- This is Firefox 3.6 and up + === Epiphany === + + Bugs in the Epiphany GNOME web browser should be filed against `epiphany-browser`, not `epiphany` ([[https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-bugsquad/2010-May/002202.html|BugSquad discussion]]). == Find the source package == From pedro at ubuntu.com Tue May 25 12:55:13 2010 From: pedro at ubuntu.com (Pedro Villavicencio Garrido) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 08:55:13 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: Meeting reminder and call for topics] Message-ID: <1274792113.1969.6.camel@wombat> FYI -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... 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The following page has been changed by pvillavi: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Contacts?action=diff&rev1=34&rev2=35 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This list is meant to provide triagers and bug helpers in general people they can contact to ask for help regarding triaging. If you are a member of the Bug Squad, please feel free to add yourself to this list. + <> - || '''IRC Nick''' || '''Packages/Area of Specialty''' || '''Launchpad Username''' || - || bdmurrary || Everything || [[https://launchpad.net/~brian-murray|Brian Murray]] || - || Awsoonn || Helping new Triagers || [[https://launchpad.net/~dereck|Dereck Wonnacott]] || - || greg-g || Desktop Apps (esp. 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The following page has been changed by pvillavi: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/FAQ?action=diff&rev1=10&rev2=11 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ||<>|| - Welcome to the [[BugSquad/|BugSquad]] FAQ! The aim of this page is to provide an up-to-date list of common questions that we get about the [[BugSquad/|BugSquad]] project. We encourage you to update this document when something is missing so it becomes a core source of information for the project. + Welcome to the [[https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad|BugSquad]] FAQ! The aim of this page is to provide an up-to-date list of common questions that we get about the [[BugSquad/|BugSquad]] project. We encourage you to update this document when something is missing so it becomes a core source of information for the project. = General Questions = + + == How do i start to Triage a bug ? == + + We recommend to every new triager to read our [[https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage|Triage Guide]] and to request a [[https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors|Mentor]], if you have doubts regarding any part of the document please contact us. == Do I need to have reproduced or recreated a bug to confirm it? == No, a bug can be confirmed when you believe the report describes a genuine bug in enough detail that a developer could start working on a fix. However, you still should not confirm bugs which you have reported. Be sure to look at [[DebuggingProcedures|Debugging Procedures]] to find out what is necessary for certain types of bugs. + == Which are the requirements to join the BugSquad team? == + + The requirements to join our team are: + + * Sign the [[http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct|Code of Conduct]] + * Although not really required, read the [[https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage|How to Triage]] guide. It '''does''' help to read it. + + More information at the [[https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/GettingInvolved|GettingInvolved]] page. + + == I'd like to organize a Bug Day == + + If you want to organize a Bug Day make sure to read the [[https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Organizing|Organizing a Bug Day page]] and contact us trough our [[http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad|Mailing list]]. We're always looking for new targets if you have one please consider on adding it to the [[https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Planning|Planning page]] + + == Where can I contact the BugSquad ? == + + You can contact the BugSquad team using the following methods: + + * Sending an email to our [[http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad|Mailing List]] + * Joining the #ubuntu-bugs channel at [[https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat|IRC Freenode]] + == What is the best way to find out the version of software someone is using? == Let's consider Firefox on 8.04, Hardy, where it is possible to find out the version of the software in several different ways: @@ -27, +51 @@ To use the command '''dpkg-query''' open a terminal window (Applications -> Accesories -> Terminal) and type '''dpkg-query -W firefox'''. It will print one line of two words; the package name and the version: "firefox 3.0~b5+nobinonly-0ubuntu3". It is the quickest way to find out the version of a package. To use '''Synaptic''' (a graphical package manager), go to System -> Administration -> Synaptic package manager. A pop-up dialog is presented asking your password, after which the package manager appears. In Synaptic's tool bar press the Search button and enter "firefox" (without the quotes). After a few seconds Synaptic shows a list of packages containing that name; just scroll through it to find the firefox line. The second column in the list (labelled Installed Version) shows the package version you have installed but widen the column until you can be sure that all of the version is displayed. + + == Found a bug which is not in English, what to do? == + + Bug reports should be in English as that is the most commonly used language by Ubuntu developers and bug triagers. In the event that a bug report is not received in English ask the reporter to translate their bug and any error messages that are not in English. 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From mrand at pobox.com Tue May 25 18:06:38 2010 From: mrand at pobox.com (Marc Randolph) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 13:06:38 -0500 Subject: BugSquad Meeting Times In-Reply-To: References: <20100513101241.7e796eaa@teamcharliesangels.com> <1273882483.2551.1.camel@xango2> Message-ID: On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 10:26 PM, Marc Randolph wrote: > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 7:14 PM, C de-Avillez wrote: >> On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 10:12 -0600, Charlie Kravetz wrote: >>> > >>> > It is true that in a global community it is very hard to pick times >>> > that are fine with everyone. Rotating them seems like the best idea, >>> > but I wouldn't use too many different times. >>> > >>> > What I'd suggest is to pick two times and strive to cover as much of >>> > the world as possible with those two times and alternate them every >>> > week. >>> >>> I second this idea. Even alternating times by 8 hours every other week >>> allows more people to attend at least one of the meetings. >> >> +1. >> >> I think we should consider voting for the times, now... > > Let's try a web 2.0 tool for this!  Place your Bug Squad meeting time > availability on the site below, using UTC, not your local time. > > http://www.when2meet.com/?30657-7nGss > > I've never used it before, but I assume that we'll be able to glean > more than one good meeting time. Anyone and everyone is welcome to put > their times in, but please only do so if you are serious about > attending the meeting. Howdy all, It has been a week now and the results are in... looks like the overwhelming best time for capturing the most people in a Bug Squad meeting is 2000 UTC on Wednesday. There were a few people that indicated that they can't make that time, although at least one of them is available the proceeding hour. Considering the surprising response of how many can make it around the 1900-2100 time frame, one path would be to simply try having a single time and see if people can make adjustments to their schedule to attend then. It would be easier to keep track and publicize. The other path would be the original one of alternating the time, in which case, perhaps only the people that absolutely can't attend the ~2000 UTC meeting vote on a time so that we're sure to capture all of them because it's hard to tell the absolute best second meeting time (although it looks like noon or 1300 UTC would be likely, and Friday would be better than Wednesday). Either way, attendance would be noticeably lighter (would enough key people be able to attend to make it worthwhile if it were at 1300?). Respectfully submitted, Marc From skybon at gmail.com Tue May 25 21:22:20 2010 From: skybon at gmail.com (Artem Karimov) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 01:22:20 +0400 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Hi! Someone please mark bugs #103791 and #113183 as triaged. Thanks. -- Artem Karimov (https://launchpad.net/~skybon) From macoafi at gmail.com Tue May 25 22:15:35 2010 From: macoafi at gmail.com (Mackenzie Morgan) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 18:15:35 -0400 Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201005251815.37061.macoafi@gmail.com> On Tuesday, May 25, 2010 5:22:20 pm Artem Karimov wrote: > Hi! > Someone please mark bugs #103791 and #113183 as triaged. Thanks. Please don't change the Assign: field on bugs to anything other than your own name, and that includes teams. -- Mackenzie Morgan http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com apt-get moo From jossaq at gmail.com Tue May 25 22:54:59 2010 From: jossaq at gmail.com (jossaq at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 22:54:59 +0000 Subject: Irc password Message-ID: <417971489-1274828091-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2041729649-@bda650.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Hi there I forgot my irc password. Is there any way to recover it? Tks Jossaq Enviado desde mi BlackBerry de Movistar From cyan.spam at gmail.com Wed May 26 00:04:44 2010 From: cyan.spam at gmail.com (David Tombs) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 20:04:44 -0400 Subject: Upgrade disaster - grub update failed and now my machine won't boot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BFC659C.3070308@gmail.com> Hi Robert, I'm not sure exactly when you tried "ubuntu-bug ubiquity", but it works on a Live CD boot for me. Anyway, you can always go to , click the "Report a bug" link, and just attach relevant files yourself. Thanks, David On 05/18/2010 04:11 PM, Robert Lummis wrote: > I had exactly the same experience. I can't quote the text on the > installer screen verbatim because it's different now that the wrong > disk was partitioned, but whatever it said was misleading and needs to > be fixed on future releases. The wording in question is on page 4 of 7 > in the installer script. > > Screen 4 in the installer says something like "install side-by-side > with the existing version" which I understood to mean install on the > same drive as the existing version but in a different partition, which > is what I wanted and expected. Instead it partitioned an *external* > 500-GB USB drive that I use for backups and installed the new version > there. The system was then unbootable. That also made my backup > partition much smaller so now it's less useful for backups. It used to > be the whole drive, now it's something like 250 GB with only a little > empty space. All-in-all a bad start on 10.04. > > I suspect what happened is that it selected the largest available > partition, which is definitely the wrong thing to do! But even worse > is that it didn't clearly state what it was going to partition before > starting. I'm pretty sure it never said anything about partitioning my > external drive, or if it did it slipped below my radar. > > I tried to report this "bug" but couldn't figure out how to do it. I > think the package the bug needs to be reported against is ubiquity but > "ubuntu-bug ubiquity" fails because it can't read the ubiquity log > file because it isn't root, and "sudo ubuntu-bug ubiquity" silently > terminates without doing anything. > > I got this fixed on my own so I'm not looking for an answer here. I'm > writing this in case it will help improve the next release, since I > was unable to report the problem as a bug. > > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Carl Anderson wrote: >> I went through the GUI upgrade from 9.04 to 10.04 last night. I habitually >> keep my machine up to date, so this upgrade was not from some random or >> uncommon configuration. >> >> Everything went fine until grub was being installed / upgraded. I got a >> popup asking me to select a device where grub should be installed - in a way >> it resembled fdisk output, there were the individual devices listed >> (/dev/sda, /dev/sdb, etc) as well as the individual partitions on each. I >> selected the partition that contains my kernel images /dev/sda2 and tried to >> install grub there. I saw a message saying that the operation failed. >> Luckily I was able to retry selecting a partition and so I select different >> partitions. I ended up trying all of my partitions individually until I had >> tried them all. I got the impression that I needed to select the drive >> device rather than the partition. So I ended up selecting both /dev/sda and >> /dev/sdb and none of the individual partitions. It reported success and >> continued on the upgrade. When it came time to reboot, I discovered that >> the machine was locked at the point where GRUB usually pops up with a kernel >> selection. I don't see anything but a black screen. >> >> I sure wish I knew what I did wrong! >> >> Any help is appreciated - I'm writing from my work machine and won't be able >> to try anything until i get home tonight. >> >> Carl Anderson >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list >> Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad >> >> > > > From cyan.spam at gmail.com Wed May 26 00:31:47 2010 From: cyan.spam at gmail.com (David Tombs) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 20:31:47 -0400 Subject: Allowing to upgrade a not updated installation In-Reply-To: References: <1274386597.1371.20.camel@xango2> Message-ID: <4BFC6BF3.7060605@gmail.com> On 05/21/2010 03:29 AM, Paul Dufresne wrote: >> I guess the bug # is wrong here, bug 576923 deals with wresp (i.e.,completely outside of Ubuntu). > Sorry I meant https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/576953 > >> Would you mind opening this (update-manager should update before upgrading) as a bug? > Well, my link to Ubuntu is weak these days (I am not using it right > now, and it could be a while before I do). So I would prefer someone > else to open it. > Would you? > It appears there is already a report at . Thanks for the alert. David From cyan.spam at gmail.com Wed May 26 00:34:18 2010 From: cyan.spam at gmail.com (David Tombs) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 20:34:18 -0400 Subject: Find the right... package? In-Reply-To: <1274386871.1371.24.camel@xango2> References: <4BF46303.1050809@gmx.net> <1274386871.1371.24.camel@xango2> Message-ID: <4BFC6C8A.8090604@gmail.com> On 05/20/2010 04:21 PM, C de-Avillez wrote: > On Thu, 2010-05-20 at 00:15 +0200, Philip Muskovac wrote: >> As most of us know we have a wiki page about that. >> >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage >> >> What I'm wondering about is: >> Is anyone actually taking care of that page regularily? The fact that I >> recently added notify-osd and plymouth to the page seems to say no. >> Considering that we reference that page at a lot of places (and not only >> on team internal pages) we should get more people to add information to it. >> How about having a wiki day/week about a week before Feature/Beta Freeze >> to update it for the new release? > > This sounds like a good idea. Care to jump-start the process? ;-) > >> >> Here a few things that I find are missing and I'm not sure what the best >> way to add them is / I don't know enough about them to add them: >> >> - general system bootup / grub2 upstart? We only have references for >> splash, kernel, xorg and live disk. I'm not sure how much detail would >> be right here. >> - does it make sense to add something encryption related? >> - Mention the indicators? >> - drivers? (Or should jockey be a bit more verbose?) >> >> Also I only found the storage symptom being mentioned and I'm sure >> others can add more to the list. > > Theoretically, we should be continuously correcting/adding/adjusting > this page, and all others related to it. > > @All: please feel free to collaborate. If in doubt, there is always this > mailing list, or the #ubuntu-bugs IRC channel. > > Thank you, > > > I try to update it when I encounter a wrong-package bug that could have been prevented with information on the page. I do think updating it based on each new release is a good idea, though, and I wrote a reminder to myself to do that for 10.10. David From panbalag1 at gmail.com Wed May 26 02:58:39 2010 From: panbalag1 at gmail.com (Prasanth Anbalagan) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 22:58:39 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu usage/downloads count? Message-ID: Hi, Does anyone know where I can get data on the number of daily downloads or active users statistics for ubuntu releases? 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URL: From macoafi at gmail.com Wed May 26 10:27:59 2010 From: macoafi at gmail.com (Mackenzie Morgan) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 06:27:59 -0400 Subject: Irc password In-Reply-To: <417971489-1274828091-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2041729649-@bda650.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <417971489-1274828091-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2041729649-@bda650.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <201005260628.00785.macoafi@gmail.com> On Tuesday, May 25, 2010 6:54:59 pm jossaq at gmail.com wrote: > Hi there > > I forgot my irc password. Is there any way to recover it? I think you need to go to #freenode and tell them that you need a staffer to send a password reminder email. Registering involved putting in your email address, so this should be possible. -- Mackenzie Morgan http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com apt-get moo From kamusin at gmail.com Wed May 26 12:55:54 2010 From: kamusin at gmail.com (Kamus) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 08:55:54 -0400 Subject: Announcing the Next Ubuntu Hug Day! - Thursday 28 January 2010 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Fellow Ubuntu Triagers! This week's Bug Day target is *drum roll please* Epiphany Browser! * 66 New bugs need a hug * 16 Incompletes bugs * 19 Confirmed bugs need a review * 6 Needs to be forwarded upstream Bookmark it, add it to your calendars, turn over those egg-timers!   * Thursday 27 May 2010   * https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100527 Are you looking for a way to start giving some love back to your adorable Ubuntu Project? Did you ever wonder what Triage is? Want to learn about that? This is a perfect time!, Everybody can help in a Bug Day! Open your IRC Client and go to #ubuntu-bugs (FreeNode) the BugSquad will be happy to help you to start contributing! Wanna be famous? Is easy! remember to use 5-A-day so if you do a good work your name could be listed at the top 5-A-Day Contributors in the Ubuntu Hall of Fame page! We are always looking for new tasks or ideas for the Bug Days, if you have one add it to the Planning page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Planning If you're new to all this (like me!) and you want to know more about ubuntu?, head to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs Have a nice day,    Kamus  [From the BugSquad] -- Victor Vargas B. Latitud: -33.439177,-70.625267 Santiago, Chile. From kamusin at gmail.com Wed May 26 13:02:05 2010 From: kamusin at gmail.com (Kamus) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 09:02:05 -0400 Subject: Announcing the Next Ubuntu Hug Day! - Thursday 28 January 2010 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: oops so sorry should say in the title "Thursday 27 May 2010"! Kamus ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Kamus Date: Wed, May 26, 2010 at 8:55 AM Subject: Re: Announcing the Next Ubuntu Hug Day! - Thursday 27 May 2010 To: ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com, ubuntu-devel-announce at lists.ubuntu.com, ubuntu-bugcontrol at lists.launchpad.net  Fellow Ubuntu Triagers!  This week's Bug Day target is *drum roll please* Epiphany Browser!  * 66 New bugs need a hug  * 16 Incompletes bugs  * 19 Confirmed bugs need a review  *  6  Needs to be forwarded upstream  Bookmark it, add it to your calendars, turn over those egg-timers!    * Thursday 27 May 2010    * https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100527  Are you looking for a way to start giving some love back to your  adorable Ubuntu Project? Did you ever wonder what Triage is? Want to  learn about that? This is a perfect time!, Everybody can help in a Bug Day!  Open your IRC Client and go to #ubuntu-bugs (FreeNode) the BugSquad  will be happy to help you to start contributing!  Wanna be famous? Is easy! remember to use 5-A-day so if you do a good  work your name could be listed at the top 5-A-Day Contributors in the  Ubuntu Hall of Fame page!  We are always looking for new tasks or ideas for the Bug Days, if you have one  add it to the Planning page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Planning  If you're new to all this (like me!) and you want to know  more about ubuntu?, head to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs  Have a nice day,     Kamus   [From the BugSquad] -- Victor Vargas B. Latitud: -33.439177,-70.625267 Santiago, Chile. From cyan.spam at gmail.com Wed May 26 15:04:59 2010 From: cyan.spam at gmail.com (David Tombs) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 11:04:59 -0400 Subject: wiki page changes Message-ID: <4BFD389B.9020205@gmail.com> Hey all, Since we're all subscribed to the /BugSquad wiki pages now, I would like to request that we put change descriptions in when we update a page. Otherwise, figuring out what the modifications actually are is more time-consuming than it needs to be. Thanks! David From brian at ubuntu.com Wed May 26 15:35:43 2010 From: brian at ubuntu.com (Brian Murray) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 08:35:43 -0700 Subject: wiki page changes In-Reply-To: <4BFD389B.9020205@gmail.com> References: <4BFD389B.9020205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100526153543.GB29399@murraytwins.com> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:04:59AM -0400, David Tombs wrote: > Hey all, > > Since we're all subscribed to the /BugSquad wiki pages now, I would like > to request that we put change descriptions in when we update a page. > Otherwise, figuring out what the modifications actually are is more > time-consuming than it needs to be. So in the comment use something like "modified command x by adding option z"? Also keep in mind that if you mark the change as trivial it will not send e-mail to the mailing list. -- Brian Murray Ubuntu Bug Master -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From brian at ubuntu.com Wed May 26 15:44:46 2010 From: brian at ubuntu.com (Brian Murray) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 08:44:46 -0700 Subject: Find the right... package? In-Reply-To: <4BFC6C8A.8090604@gmail.com> References: <4BF46303.1050809@gmx.net> <1274386871.1371.24.camel@xango2> <4BFC6C8A.8090604@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100526154446.GC29399@murraytwins.com> On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 08:34:18PM -0400, David Tombs wrote: > On 05/20/2010 04:21 PM, C de-Avillez wrote: > > On Thu, 2010-05-20 at 00:15 +0200, Philip Muskovac wrote: > >> As most of us know we have a wiki page about that. > >> > >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage > >> > >> What I'm wondering about is: > >> Is anyone actually taking care of that page regularily? The fact that I > >> recently added notify-osd and plymouth to the page seems to say no. > >> Considering that we reference that page at a lot of places (and not only > >> on team internal pages) we should get more people to add information to it. > >> How about having a wiki day/week about a week before Feature/Beta Freeze > >> to update it for the new release? > > > > This sounds like a good idea. Care to jump-start the process? ;-) > > > >> > >> Here a few things that I find are missing and I'm not sure what the best > >> way to add them is / I don't know enough about them to add them: > >> > >> - general system bootup / grub2 upstart? We only have references for > >> splash, kernel, xorg and live disk. I'm not sure how much detail would > >> be right here. > >> - does it make sense to add something encryption related? > >> - Mention the indicators? > >> - drivers? (Or should jockey be a bit more verbose?) > >> > >> Also I only found the storage symptom being mentioned and I'm sure > >> others can add more to the list. > > > > Theoretically, we should be continuously correcting/adding/adjusting > > this page, and all others related to it. > > > > @All: please feel free to collaborate. If in doubt, there is always this > > mailing list, or the #ubuntu-bugs IRC channel. > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > I try to update it when I encounter a wrong-package bug that could have > been prevented with information on the page. I do think updating it > based on each new release is a good idea, though, and I wrote a reminder > to myself to do that for 10.10. This sounds like something worth recording on a TODO list for the Bug Squad. I think there should be some on going tasks like this one and one time tasks like "package xyz was removed from the archive and all its bug tasks should be reviewed for SRU-able bugs and the rest set to Won't Fix". -- Brian Murray Ubuntu Bug Master -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From micahg at ubuntu.com Wed May 26 16:13:56 2010 From: micahg at ubuntu.com (Micah Gersten) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 11:13:56 -0500 Subject: Find the right... package? In-Reply-To: <20100526154446.GC29399@murraytwins.com> References: <4BF46303.1050809@gmx.net> <1274386871.1371.24.camel@xango2> <4BFC6C8A.8090604@gmail.com> <20100526154446.GC29399@murraytwins.com> Message-ID: <4BFD48C4.8070500@ubuntu.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 05/26/2010 10:44 AM, Brian Murray wrote: > On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 08:34:18PM -0400, David Tombs wrote: >> On 05/20/2010 04:21 PM, C de-Avillez wrote: >>> On Thu, 2010-05-20 at 00:15 +0200, Philip Muskovac wrote: >>>> As most of us know we have a wiki page about that. >>>> >>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage >>>> >>>> What I'm wondering about is: >>>> Is anyone actually taking care of that page regularily? The fact that I >>>> recently added notify-osd and plymouth to the page seems to say no. >>>> Considering that we reference that page at a lot of places (and not only >>>> on team internal pages) we should get more people to add information to it. >>>> How about having a wiki day/week about a week before Feature/Beta Freeze >>>> to update it for the new release? >>> >>> This sounds like a good idea. Care to jump-start the process? ;-) >>> >>>> >>>> Here a few things that I find are missing and I'm not sure what the best >>>> way to add them is / I don't know enough about them to add them: >>>> >>>> - general system bootup / grub2 upstart? We only have references for >>>> splash, kernel, xorg and live disk. I'm not sure how much detail would >>>> be right here. >>>> - does it make sense to add something encryption related? >>>> - Mention the indicators? >>>> - drivers? (Or should jockey be a bit more verbose?) >>>> >>>> Also I only found the storage symptom being mentioned and I'm sure >>>> others can add more to the list. >>> >>> Theoretically, we should be continuously correcting/adding/adjusting >>> this page, and all others related to it. >>> >>> @All: please feel free to collaborate. If in doubt, there is always this >>> mailing list, or the #ubuntu-bugs IRC channel. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> >>> >> >> I try to update it when I encounter a wrong-package bug that could have >> been prevented with information on the page. I do think updating it >> based on each new release is a good idea, though, and I wrote a reminder >> to myself to do that for 10.10. > > This sounds like something worth recording on a TODO list for the Bug > Squad. I think there should be some on going tasks like this one and one > time tasks like "package xyz was removed from the archive and all its > bug tasks should be reviewed for SRU-able bugs and the rest set to Won't > Fix". > > -- > Brian Murray > Ubuntu Bug Master > I suggest there be a mail to the devel list before doing this. A package might be coming back in the next release, but was unusable in the current release, or maybe it was unmaintainable for 3 yrs, but 1.5 is fine. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkv9SLMACgkQTniv4aqX/Vnx6gCeM2ZVwJhmCHIMCqC56cMXV1H5 q4gAn3uShEFZr61VCjtXuMcjyFoT8//g =cpvo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From brian at ubuntu.com Wed May 26 16:59:29 2010 From: brian at ubuntu.com (Brian Murray) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 09:59:29 -0700 Subject: Find the right... package? In-Reply-To: <4BFD48C4.8070500@ubuntu.com> References: <4BF46303.1050809@gmx.net> <1274386871.1371.24.camel@xango2> <4BFC6C8A.8090604@gmail.com> <20100526154446.GC29399@murraytwins.com> <4BFD48C4.8070500@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20100526165929.GD29399@murraytwins.com> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:13:56AM -0500, Micah Gersten wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 05/26/2010 10:44 AM, Brian Murray wrote: > > On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 08:34:18PM -0400, David Tombs wrote: > >> On 05/20/2010 04:21 PM, C de-Avillez wrote: > >>> On Thu, 2010-05-20 at 00:15 +0200, Philip Muskovac wrote: > >>>> As most of us know we have a wiki page about that. > >>>> > >>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage > >>>> > >>>> What I'm wondering about is: > >>>> Is anyone actually taking care of that page regularily? The fact that I > >>>> recently added notify-osd and plymouth to the page seems to say no. > >>>> Considering that we reference that page at a lot of places (and not only > >>>> on team internal pages) we should get more people to add information to it. > >>>> How about having a wiki day/week about a week before Feature/Beta Freeze > >>>> to update it for the new release? > >>> > >>> This sounds like a good idea. Care to jump-start the process? ;-) > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Here a few things that I find are missing and I'm not sure what the best > >>>> way to add them is / I don't know enough about them to add them: > >>>> > >>>> - general system bootup / grub2 upstart? We only have references for > >>>> splash, kernel, xorg and live disk. I'm not sure how much detail would > >>>> be right here. > >>>> - does it make sense to add something encryption related? > >>>> - Mention the indicators? > >>>> - drivers? (Or should jockey be a bit more verbose?) > >>>> > >>>> Also I only found the storage symptom being mentioned and I'm sure > >>>> others can add more to the list. > >>> > >>> Theoretically, we should be continuously correcting/adding/adjusting > >>> this page, and all others related to it. > >>> > >>> @All: please feel free to collaborate. If in doubt, there is always this > >>> mailing list, or the #ubuntu-bugs IRC channel. > >>> > >>> Thank you, > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> I try to update it when I encounter a wrong-package bug that could have > >> been prevented with information on the page. I do think updating it > >> based on each new release is a good idea, though, and I wrote a reminder > >> to myself to do that for 10.10. > > > > This sounds like something worth recording on a TODO list for the Bug > > Squad. I think there should be some on going tasks like this one and one > > time tasks like "package xyz was removed from the archive and all its > > bug tasks should be reviewed for SRU-able bugs and the rest set to Won't > > Fix". > > > > -- > > Brian Murray > > Ubuntu Bug Master > > > > I suggest there be a mail to the devel list before doing this. A > package might be coming back in the next release, but was unusable in > the current release, or maybe it was unmaintainable for 3 yrs, but 1.5 > is fine. I'd hope that information like that is included in "removal_comment" for the source package. Looking at an old results set a lot of the packages were removed from Debian. Consider the following: "(From Debian) RoQA; orphaned, dead upstream, php4 based, low popcon" But of course if the removal reason was vague contacting the devel mailing list makes absolute sense. -- Brian Murray Ubuntu Bug Master -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I think there should be some on going tasks like this one and one >>> time tasks like "package xyz was removed from the archive and all its >>> bug tasks should be reviewed for SRU-able bugs and the rest set to Won't >>> Fix". >>> >>> -- >>> Brian Murray >>> Ubuntu Bug Master >>> >> >> I suggest there be a mail to the devel list before doing this. A >> package might be coming back in the next release, but was unusable in >> the current release, or maybe it was unmaintainable for 3 yrs, but 1.5 >> is fine. > > I'd hope that information like that is included in "removal_comment" for > the source package. Looking at an old results set a lot of the packages > were removed from Debian. Consider the following: > > "(From Debian) RoQA; orphaned, dead upstream, php4 based, low popcon" > > But of course if the removal reason was vague contacting the devel > mailing list makes absolute sense. > > -- > Brian Murray > Ubuntu Bug Master > Well, I know of one specific example in my case was lightning-sunbird which was removed from Lucid. The deletion message just references the new xulrunner support model, but it's not clear that the package will be resurrected as lightning in Maverick. The reason for this is that upstream discontinued development on Sunbird, but as you can see, that's not apparent from the deletion message. But I agree with you about the stuff that was removed from Ubuntu because it was removed from Debian. Micah -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkv9eVcACgkQTniv4aqX/VnJ+gCfZ5u+OnuoBxqPPUtkVJfsyTIU gcQAn3FxFwpFaQHLXqNIQjjC04rTB3Ns =D7I9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From micahg at ubuntu.com Thu May 27 01:31:36 2010 From: micahg at ubuntu.com (Micah Gersten) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 20:31:36 -0500 Subject: Announcing the Next Ubuntu Hug Day! - Thursday 27 May 2010 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BFDCB78.50805@ubuntu.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I just wanted to point out that Epiphany Browser is now using Webkit as the only backend in Karmic and Lucid. We (Ubuntu Mozilla Team) will be updating the Hardy and Jaunty Epiphany Browser to the Karmic version soon. Therefore, any bugs regarding epiphany-gecko or xulrunner issues with Epiphany Browser from Jaunty or before can be closed as Invalid. Feel free to ping me (micahg) about any of the xulrunner based Epiphany bugs. Thanks, Micah On 05/26/2010 07:55 AM, Kamus wrote: > Fellow Ubuntu Triagers! > > This week's Bug Day target is *drum roll please* Epiphany Browser! > > * 66 New bugs need a hug > > * 16 Incompletes bugs > > * 19 Confirmed bugs need a review > > * 6 Needs to be forwarded upstream > > > > Bookmark it, add it to your calendars, turn over those egg-timers! > * Thursday 27 May 2010 > * https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100527 > > > Are you looking for a way to start giving some love back to your > adorable Ubuntu Project? Did you ever wonder what Triage is? Want to > learn about that? This is a perfect time!, Everybody can help in a Bug Day! > > Open your IRC Client and go to #ubuntu-bugs (FreeNode) the BugSquad > will be happy to help you to start contributing! > > Wanna be famous? Is easy! remember to use 5-A-day so if you do a good > work your name could be listed at the top 5-A-Day Contributors in the > Ubuntu Hall of Fame page! > > We are always looking for new tasks or ideas for the Bug Days, if you have one > add it to the Planning page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Planning > > > If you're new to all this (like me!) and you want to know > more about ubuntu?, head to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs > > Have a nice day, > Kamus > [From the BugSquad] > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkv9y20ACgkQTniv4aqX/VnZKACfY7YGGDFDHF9tH16DU2fiXhqU RBYAnA3JQPd+JxMaPelsuqZosUd3cLSm =gBPE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cyan.spam at gmail.com Thu May 27 02:23:00 2010 From: cyan.spam at gmail.com (David Tombs) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 22:23:00 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu usage/downloads count? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BFDD784.7040800@gmail.com> Hi, I'm sure you know this already, but this mailing list is not the best place to ask. Perhaps or the ubuntu-users list? David On 05/25/2010 11:02 PM, Craig Huffstetler wrote: > I will preface this by saying: I don't know an answer to your answer, > but I'd like to know this as well (based on analytics); however, I do > not think it is publicly released at this time. > > Craig Huffstetler > > Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad > > From root at ayrtonaraujo.net Thu May 27 04:24:12 2010 From: root at ayrtonaraujo.net (Ayrton Araujo) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 00:24:12 -0400 Subject: I want to join in the Bug Squad team Message-ID: Hi, I'm requesting to join in Bug Squad team. * My launchpad id is ayrton. * I readed the Triage Guide Usually I help members of the local group ubuntu-br-am (which I am part) assisting with the best way to report bugs, also helping to inform which team or user must be added in the scope of It was about time I start to get more involved.the report. It was about time I start to get more involved. 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[1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage#Needs%20Packaging%20Bugs -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From macoafi at gmail.com Thu May 27 14:32:08 2010 From: macoafi at gmail.com (Mackenzie Morgan) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 10:32:08 -0400 Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: <20100527071735.5cef2a7f@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <20100527071735.5cef2a7f@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Charlie Kravetz wrote: > On Thu, 27 May 2010 16:51:39 +0400 > Artem Karimov wrote: > >> Someone please mark bugs #188110 and #571687 as triaged. > > Have you complied with the requirements for 'needs packaging' bugs as > specified in the wiki [1]? Are you working with the developers to > package these applications? > > [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage#Needs%20Packaging%20Bugs I think we should add another step to this: file a RFP (Request For Package) bug on WNPP (Work-Needed and Prospective Packages) in Debian's BTS. Reason: It benefits more people if we get the package into Debian instead of maintaining it independently in Ubuntu (benefits Debian, Xandros, etc.), and it makes it easier on the Ubuntu side if we can simply sync from Debian. Objections? -- Mackenzie Morgan http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com apt-get moo From macoafi at gmail.com Thu May 27 14:33:46 2010 From: macoafi at gmail.com (Mackenzie Morgan) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 10:33:46 -0400 Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: References: <20100527071735.5cef2a7f@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Charlie Kravetz > wrote: >> On Thu, 27 May 2010 16:51:39 +0400 >> Artem Karimov wrote: >> >>> Someone please mark bugs #188110 and #571687 as triaged. >> >> Have you complied with the requirements for 'needs packaging' bugs as >> specified in the wiki [1]? Are you working with the developers to >> package these applications? >> >> [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage#Needs%20Packaging%20Bugs > > I think we should add another step to this:  file a RFP (Request For > Package) bug on WNPP (Work-Needed and Prospective Packages) in > Debian's BTS. In fact, I think the "check for an ITP and link to it" step should be changed to "ITP or RFP" as well. -- Mackenzie Morgan http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com apt-get moo From blackzldl at gmail.com Thu May 27 14:37:09 2010 From: blackzldl at gmail.com (Lorenzo De Liso) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 16:37:09 +0200 Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: References: <20100527071735.5cef2a7f@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <1274971029.2118.1.camel@PC-Lorenzo> Il giorno gio, 27/05/2010 alle 10.32 -0400, Mackenzie Morgan ha scritto: > I think we should add another step to this: file a RFP (Request For > Package) bug on WNPP (Work-Needed and Prospective Packages) in > Debian's BTS. > Reason: It benefits more people if we get the package into Debian > instead of maintaining it independently in Ubuntu (benefits Debian, > Xandros, etc.), and it makes it easier on the Ubuntu side if we can > simply sync from Debian. > > Objections? I think that's a good idea, no objections from me, please go ahead. Kind regards, Lorenzo De Liso From txwikinger at ubuntu.com Thu May 27 14:58:35 2010 From: txwikinger at ubuntu.com (Ralph Janke) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 10:58:35 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu Bug Hug Day 27 May 2010 Message-ID: <4BFE889B.9080901@ubuntu.com> Announcing This Week's Kubuntu Bug Day Target - Kdepim - Thursday, May 27, 2010 This week's Bug Day target is kdepim! * 131 New bugs need a hug * 5 Incompletes bugs * 24 Confirmed bugs need a review Bookmark it, add it to your calendars, turn over those egg-timers! * Thursday, 27 May 2010 http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100527/KDE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... 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From micahg at ubuntu.com Thu May 27 15:23:21 2010 From: micahg at ubuntu.com (Micah Gersten) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 10:23:21 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu Bug Hug Day 27 May 2010 In-Reply-To: <4BFE889B.9080901@ubuntu.com> References: <4BFE889B.9080901@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <4BFE8E69.2090603@ubuntu.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I think it might be better if we try to coordinate the Ubuntu/Kubuntu bug days to be separate so that people that want to help with both can. Thoughts? Micah On 05/27/2010 09:58 AM, Ralph Janke wrote: > Announcing This Week's Kubuntu Bug Day Target - Kdepim - Thursday, May > 27, 2010 > > This week's Bug Day target is kdepim! > > * 131 New bugs need a hug > > * 5 Incompletes bugs > > * 24 Confirmed bugs need a review > > Bookmark it, add it to your calendars, turn over those egg-timers! > > * Thursday, 27 May 2010 > > http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100527/KDE > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkv+jmIACgkQTniv4aqX/VkBqQCeJr1sw54bu/KmR2id+EhQ4ZCU 4h4An370NVPtlt5a0eTKGorR6lU/IQNh =iS/d -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Thu May 27 15:50:07 2010 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 09:50:07 -0600 Subject: Kubuntu Bug Hug Day 27 May 2010 In-Reply-To: <4BFE8E69.2090603@ubuntu.com> References: <4BFE889B.9080901@ubuntu.com> <4BFE8E69.2090603@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20100527095007.2648314e@teamcharliesangels.com> On Thu, 27 May 2010 10:23:21 -0500 Micah Gersten wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I think it might be better if we try to coordinate the Ubuntu/Kubuntu > bug days to be separate so that people that want to help with both can. > > Thoughts? > > Micah +1 It is taking away from both bug days to have them on the same day. > > On 05/27/2010 09:58 AM, Ralph Janke wrote: > > Announcing This Week's Kubuntu Bug Day Target - Kdepim - Thursday, May > > 27, 2010 > > > > This week's Bug Day target is kdepim! > > > > * 131 New bugs need a hug > > > > * 5 Incompletes bugs > > > > * 24 Confirmed bugs need a review > > > > Bookmark it, add it to your calendars, turn over those egg-timers! > > > > * Thursday, 27 May 2010 > > > > http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100527/KDE > > -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From ddecator at gmail.com Thu May 27 15:52:55 2010 From: ddecator at gmail.com (Draycen DeCator) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 10:52:55 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu Bug Hug Day 27 May 2010 In-Reply-To: <4BFE8E69.2090603@ubuntu.com> References: <4BFE889B.9080901@ubuntu.com> <4BFE8E69.2090603@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: +1 Maybe have Kubuntu bug days on a different day of the week? That way people who can't help on Thursdays (like myself) can potentially help with the Kubuntu bug day. Then again, that might become hectic. Dray On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Micah Gersten wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I think it might be better if we try to coordinate the Ubuntu/Kubuntu > bug days to be separate so that people that want to help with both can. > > Thoughts? > > Micah > > On 05/27/2010 09:58 AM, Ralph Janke wrote: > > Announcing This Week's Kubuntu Bug Day Target - Kdepim - Thursday, May > > 27, 2010 > > > > This week's Bug Day target is kdepim! > > > > * 131 New bugs need a hug > > > > * 5 Incompletes bugs > > > > * 24 Confirmed bugs need a review > > > > Bookmark it, add it to your calendars, turn over those egg-timers! > > > > * Thursday, 27 May 2010 > > > > http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100527/KDE > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkv+jmIACgkQTniv4aqX/VkBqQCeJr1sw54bu/KmR2id+EhQ4ZCU > 4h4An370NVPtlt5a0eTKGorR6lU/IQNh > =iS/d > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list > Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Are you working with the developers to > package these applications? > > [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage#Needs%20Packaging%20Bugs > > -- > Charlie Kravetz > Linux Registered User Number 425914          [http://counter.li.org/] > Never let anyone steal your DREAM.           [http://keepingdreams.com] > > -- > Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list > Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad > I have complied with all the steps described in the guide: checked whether packages are already present in Debian/Ubuntu, checked for RFP/ITP on the Debian bug tracker, checked upstream licenses and added to the description. According to the guide it should be marked as triaged now. And, no, I'm not working with the developers or MOTU. -- Artem Karimov (https://launchpad.net/~skybon) -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From skybon at gmail.com Thu May 27 16:42:26 2010 From: skybon at gmail.com (Artem Karimov) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 20:42:26 +0400 Subject: PCSX2 again Message-ID: I have posted a request at PCSX2 forum so that devs could take a look at what was said at Launchpad. -- Artem Karimov (https://launchpad.net/~skybon) From costamagnagianfranco at yahoo.it Thu May 27 22:09:06 2010 From: costamagnagianfranco at yahoo.it (Gianfranco Costamagna) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 22:09:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Asking for a ban Message-ID: <378666.61987.qm@web26707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> I'm asking you to ban a person from LP, or maybe to change his name, since this name might be offensive for italian people and it isn't allowed on our law. https://launchpad.net/~b1130560 If you want to see the name in your language please use google translate Thanks Just my two cents Gianfranco From usul80 at gmail.com Thu May 27 22:48:25 2010 From: usul80 at gmail.com (usul80 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 22:48:25 +0000 Subject: Asking for a ban Message-ID: <1761304808-1275000525-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-761141893-@bda698.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I agree w/ Gianfranco. That name is unacceptable. Very offensive indeed. Such blasphemies should not be tolerated. I request the ban of that user. Ciao, Enrico Accenti ------Original Message------ From: Gianfranco Costamagna Sender: ubuntu-bugsquad-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com To: ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Asking for a ban Sent: May 27, 2010 5:09 PM I'm asking you to ban a person from LP, or maybe to change his name, since this name might be offensive for italian people and it isn't allowed on our law. https://launchpad.net/~b1130560 If you want to see the name in your language please use google translate Thanks Just my two cents Gianfranco -- Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From teddks at gmail.com Thu May 27 23:05:21 2010 From: teddks at gmail.com (Ted Smith) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 19:05:21 -0400 Subject: Asking for a ban In-Reply-To: <378666.61987.qm@web26707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <378666.61987.qm@web26707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1275001521.23932.0.camel@stormbringer> On Thu, 2010-05-27 at 22:09 +0000, Gianfranco Costamagna wrote: > I'm asking you to ban a person from LP, or maybe to change his name, since this name might be offensive for italian people and it isn't allowed on our law. > > https://launchpad.net/~b1130560 > If you want to see the name in your language please use google translate > > > Thanks > Just my two cents "God Pig"? 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Since those questions are direct to the maintainers of Launchpad, they can take action directly. https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From micahg at ubuntu.com Thu May 27 23:11:45 2010 From: micahg at ubuntu.com (Micah Gersten) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 18:11:45 -0500 Subject: Asking for a ban In-Reply-To: <378666.61987.qm@web26707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <378666.61987.qm@web26707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4BFEFC31.5050300@ubuntu.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 This is not the right place for this discussion. Please file a request on answers.launchpad.net/launchpad if you feel this is an issue. I don't think it's an issue though as Launchpad isn't hosted in Italy. Thanks, Micah On 05/27/2010 05:09 PM, Gianfranco Costamagna wrote: > I'm asking you to ban a person from LP, or maybe to change his name, since this name might be offensive for italian people and it isn't allowed on our law. > > https://launchpad.net/~b1130560 > If you want to see the name in your language please use google translate > > > Thanks > Just my two cents > > > Gianfranco -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkv+/CoACgkQTniv4aqX/VlDpQCdG2HDj+ikGYZeKZiyFrGpSxTm gaEAnjnREeBAiM0m7qpYRJsi9t0G0L28 =6pba -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From usul80 at gmail.com Thu May 27 23:11:54 2010 From: usul80 at gmail.com (usul80 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 23:11:54 +0000 Subject: Asking for a ban In-Reply-To: <1275001521.23932.0.camel@stormbringer> References: <378666.61987.qm@web26707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com><1275001521.23932.0.camel@stormbringer> Message-ID: <783831436-1275001933-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-351715938-@bda698.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> No, it's not the equivalent. The adjective is applied (modifier) on God. So, he's calling God that way. On top of that, it's not simply the equivalent of pig. It's used as a heavy insult. If I was called using that adjective I would be seriously offended. And yes, it's illegal to offend any deity in Italy. That name lacks of respect and decency at least to the Italian population, if not to all the Christians of the world. I would request the ban even if it offended other deities. Thanks, Enrico Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: Ted Smith Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 19:05:21 To: Subject: Re: Asking for a ban -- Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad From hggdh2 at ubuntu.com Thu May 27 23:36:11 2010 From: hggdh2 at ubuntu.com (C de-Avillez) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 18:36:11 -0500 Subject: Asking for a ban In-Reply-To: <1275001521.23932.0.camel@stormbringer> References: <378666.61987.qm@web26707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1275001521.23932.0.camel@stormbringer> Message-ID: <1275003371.16062.16.camel@xango2> On Thu, 2010-05-27 at 19:05 -0400, Ted Smith wrote: > Seems fine to me. Can you really not say that in Italy? Is there that > little freedom of speech? The question is not one of freedom of speech, but of a modicum of respect. This, by the way, goes straight into the CoC [1]. Keep in mind that there are a series of expressions in English that are also not acceptable -- so would you say that there is no freedom of speech in the US? Anyway, as already stated by Charlie and Micah, this is not the place for the request. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From blouin.arno at gmail.com Fri May 28 06:38:08 2010 From: blouin.arno at gmail.com (Arnaud Blouin) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 08:38:08 +0200 Subject: Asking for a ban In-Reply-To: <783831436-1275001933-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-351715938-@bda698.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <378666.61987.qm@web26707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com><1275001521.23932.0.camel@stormbringer> <783831436-1275001933-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-351715938-@bda698.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <4BFF64D0.2000209@gmail.com> Why do not you directly contact the guy to ask him to change the name of his account ??.. > No, it's not the equivalent. The adjective is applied (modifier) on God. So, he's calling God that way. On top of that, it's not simply the equivalent of pig. It's used as a heavy insult. > If I was called using that adjective I would be seriously offended. > And yes, it's illegal to offend any deity in Italy. > That name lacks of respect and decency at least to the Italian population, if not to all the Christians of the world. I would request the ban even if it offended other deities. > Thanks, > Enrico > From skybon at gmail.com Fri May 28 13:25:49 2010 From: skybon at gmail.com (Artem Karimov) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 17:25:49 +0400 Subject: Asking for a ban In-Reply-To: <378666.61987.qm@web26707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <378666.61987.qm@web26707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This user's name is absolutely OK. Banning user for "insulting" something which existence is a matter of debate seems bizarre to me. On 28 May 2010 02:09, Gianfranco Costamagna wrote: > I'm asking you to ban a person from LP, or maybe to change his name, since this name might be offensive for italian people and it isn't allowed on our law. > > https://launchpad.net/~b1130560 > If you want to see the name in your language please use google translate > > > Thanks > Just my two cents > > > Gianfranco > > > > > > > -- > Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list > Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad > -- Artem Karimov (https://launchpad.net/~skybon) From noreply at ubuntu.com Thu May 27 14:49:09 2010 From: noreply at ubuntu.com (=?utf-8?q?Ubuntu_Wiki_?=) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 14:49:09 -0000 Subject: =?utf-8?q?=5BUbuntu_Wiki=5D_Update_of_=22Bugs/HowToTriage=22_by_maco=2Em?= Message-ID: <20100527144909.30007.82221@jostaberry.canonical.com> Dear Wiki user, You have subscribed to a wiki page or wiki category on "Ubuntu Wiki" for change notification. 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From noreply at ubuntu.com Thu May 27 15:26:12 2010 From: noreply at ubuntu.com (=?utf-8?q?Ubuntu_Wiki_?=) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 15:26:12 -0000 Subject: =?utf-8?q?=5BUbuntu_Wiki=5D_Update_of_=22Bugs/Tags=22_by_qense?= Message-ID: <20100527152612.6245.82819@jostaberry.canonical.com> Dear Wiki user, You have subscribed to a wiki page or wiki category on "Ubuntu Wiki" for change notification. The following page has been changed by qense: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Tags?action=diff&rev1=155&rev2=156 The comment on the change is: Changed Ayatana bug tag 'global-menu' to 'app-menu' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Specific bugs concerning parts of the [[https://launchpad.net/ayatana|Ayatana project]]. || '''Tag''' || '''Use case''' || - ||[[https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=global-menu|`global-menu`]] || Bugs related to Global Menu that will be used for the first time in the Ubuntu Maverick Netbook Edition. || + ||[[https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=app-menu|`app-menu`]] || Bugs related to the [[DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationMenu|App Menu]] that will be used for the first time in the Ubuntu Maverick Netbook Edition. || ||[[https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=indicator-applet|`indicator-applet`]] || Bugs related to the use of the Indicator Applet that are not in the 'indicator-applet' package (no Application Indicators!) || ||[[https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=indicator-application|`indicator-application`]] || Bugs related to the use of Indicator Application that are not in the 'indicator-application' package || ||[[https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=trayaway|`trayaway`]] || Bugs related to the [[NotificationAreaTransition|Notification Area transition]].|| From usul80 at gmail.com Fri May 28 14:42:16 2010 From: usul80 at gmail.com (usul80 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 14:42:16 +0000 Subject: Asking for a ban Message-ID: <1132541372-1275057756-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-239510738-@bda698.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> It has the huge potential of offending 2 billion Christians, 1.5 Billion Muslims and millions of Jewish people. The debate is not theological. I strongly believe project called Ubuntu (humanity towards others) should not allow anything that may cause offenses of any kind (Gods, populations, countries, races etc.). This project should be about finding a common ground and BY that create a GREAT product which speaks by itself to every human on Earth, inspiring progress and respect. I would not appreciate even a nickname with insults to Apple or Microsoft. In those companies real people and humans are working. We should convince them that ubuntu is better BECAUSE it's better and we want them to agree with us, not because we can insult them. Respect first of all. Always. My last 2 cents. I am going back to my cave. Enrico ------Original Message------ From: Artem Karimov Sender: ubuntu-bugsquad-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com To: ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: Asking for a ban Sent: May 28, 2010 8:25 AM This user's name is absolutely OK. Banning user for "insulting" something which existence is a matter of debate seems bizarre to me. On 28 May 2010 02:09, Gianfranco Costamagna wrote: > I'm asking you to ban a person from LP, or maybe to change his name, since this name might be offensive for italian people and it isn't allowed on our law. > > https://launchpad.net/~b1130560 > If you want to see the name in your language please use google translate > > > Thanks > Just my two cents > > > Gianfranco > > > > > > > -- > Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list > Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad > -- Artem Karimov (https://launchpad.net/~skybon) -- Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From teddks at gmail.com Fri May 28 14:49:53 2010 From: teddks at gmail.com (Ted Smith) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 10:49:53 -0400 Subject: Asking for a ban In-Reply-To: <1132541372-1275057756-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-239510738-@bda698.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1132541372-1275057756-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-239510738-@bda698.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <1275058193.4504.1.camel@stormbringer> Explicitly giving deference to religion *is* offensive and minimizing to the vast populations of atheists, most of whom cannot admit to their friends and loved ones what they actually believe because they would be oppressed, sometimes fatally, by doing so. On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 14:42 +0000, usul80 at gmail.com wrote: > It has the huge potential of offending 2 billion Christians, 1.5 Billion Muslims and millions of Jewish people. > The debate is not theological. I strongly believe project called Ubuntu (humanity towards others) should not allow anything that may cause offenses of any kind (Gods, populations, countries, races etc.). > This project should be about finding a common ground and BY that create a GREAT product which speaks by itself to every human on Earth, inspiring progress and respect. > I would not appreciate even a nickname with insults to Apple or Microsoft. In those companies real people and humans are working. We should convince them that ubuntu is better BECAUSE it's better and we want them to agree with us, not because we can insult them. Respect first of all. Always. > My last 2 cents. I am going back to my cave. > > Enrico > ------Original Message------ > From: Artem Karimov > Sender: ubuntu-bugsquad-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com > To: ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: Asking for a ban > Sent: May 28, 2010 8:25 AM > > This user's name is absolutely OK. Banning user for "insulting" > something which existence is a matter of debate seems bizarre to me. > > On 28 May 2010 02:09, Gianfranco Costamagna > wrote: > > I'm asking you to ban a person from LP, or maybe to change his name, since this name might be offensive for italian people and it isn't allowed on our law. > > > > https://launchpad.net/~b1130560 > > If you want to see the name in your language please use google translate > > > > > > Thanks > > Just my two cents > > > > > > Gianfranco > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 836 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From usul80 at gmail.com Fri May 28 14:59:34 2010 From: usul80 at gmail.com (usul80 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 14:59:34 +0000 Subject: Asking for a ban In-Reply-To: <1275058193.4504.1.camel@stormbringer> References: <1132541372-1275057756-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-239510738-@bda698.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><1275058193.4504.1.camel@stormbringer> Message-ID: <560764263-1275058794-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2012054603-@bda698.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> No. The same applies to atheism. No one should offend atheists and/or atheism, gnosticism or deism. It's not deference; it's a request of respect of beliefs, values and whatever make us humans. Whatever the beliefs are. Insulting, by definition, means to cause damage or offense to someone. Say you don't believe in a god as much as you want. Call yourself "Idontbelieveinagod" but do not insult. That nickname (the original) would be offensive even if instead of God he wrote "Atheist". Is that hard to respect fellow humans? Enrico Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: Ted Smith Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 10:49:53 To: Subject: Re: Asking for a ban -- Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad From shankao at gmail.com Fri May 28 15:15:36 2010 From: shankao at gmail.com (shankao) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 17:15:36 +0200 Subject: Asking for a ban In-Reply-To: <560764263-1275058794-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2012054603-@bda698.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1132541372-1275057756-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-239510738-@bda698.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <1275058193.4504.1.camel@stormbringer> <560764263-1275058794-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2012054603-@bda698.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: Are we here for creating a better Ubuntu or debating religion? For me, a nickname is not enough. A "no ban" vote here. 2010/5/28 > No. The same applies to atheism. No one should offend atheists and/or > atheism, gnosticism or deism. > It's not deference; it's a request of respect of beliefs, values and > whatever make us humans. Whatever the beliefs are. Insulting, by > definition, means to cause damage or offense to someone. Say you don't > believe in a god as much as you want. Call yourself "Idontbelieveinagod" but > do not insult. That nickname (the original) would be offensive even if > instead of God he wrote "Atheist". > Is that hard to respect fellow humans? > > Enrico > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ted Smith > Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 10:49:53 > To: > Subject: Re: Asking for a ban > > -- > Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list > Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad > > > > -- > Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list > Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad > -- Also, you can find my personal weblog at http://shankao.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hggdh2 at ubuntu.com Fri May 28 15:34:51 2010 From: hggdh2 at ubuntu.com (C de-Avillez) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 10:34:51 -0500 Subject: Asking for a ban In-Reply-To: <1132541372-1275057756-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-239510738-@bda698.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1132541372-1275057756-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-239510738-@bda698.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <1275060891.5237.27.camel@xango2> Hi Enrico, On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 14:42 +0000, usul80 at gmail.com wrote: > It has the huge potential of offending 2 billion Christians, 1.5 > Billion Muslims and millions of Jewish people. The debate is not > theological. I strongly believe project called Ubuntu (humanity towards > others) should not allow anything that may cause offenses of any kind > (Gods, populations, countries, races etc.). This project should be > about finding a common ground and BY that create a GREAT product which > speaks by itself to every human on Earth, inspiring progress and > respect. I would not appreciate even a nickname with insults to Apple > or Microsoft. In those companies real people and humans are working. We > should convince them that ubuntu is better BECAUSE it's better and we > want them to agree with us, not because we can insult them. Respect > first of all. Always. My last 2 cents. I am going back to my cave. This is described in the Code of Conduct, both current one and proposed [1,2]. In essence, this is not really about (potentially) insulting billions of believers [3], but of *respecting* other people. The basic rule is the one called, sometimes, the golden rule: do not do onto others what you would not like to be done onto you. And this *is* the essence of Ubuntu, perhaps the major philosophical difference between Ubuntu and other projects. This is why we try so hard to be nice to others. There is another point here, one easily lost on people that are not fluent in both the language and culture of a country: translations are difficult. Here, the (Italian) context of the expression leaves no doubt about the intention: it *is* offensive. This is a common issue, usually called "lost in translation". So patience when explaining these types of issues is a must[4], since the context will be lost on translation. I hope I was able to explain the issue and -- to those that did not see the nick as disrespectful -- why we should curb it. Cheers, [1] http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct [2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CodeOfConductGuidelines [3] and, not being Christian myself, I would not feel insulted... but I still would not like it being used -- because of *respect*. [4] for example, the word 'porco' is the same in Italian and Portuguese (and, I *think*, Spanish); in both languages the English literal translation is indeed 'pig'. But only in Italian (and in the Italian culture) it can be used as a heavy, demeaning, personal, insult. -- C de-Avillez IRC: hggdh -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From andol at ubuntu.com Fri May 28 15:51:59 2010 From: andol at ubuntu.com (Andreas Olsson) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 17:51:59 +0200 Subject: Asking for a ban In-Reply-To: <1275060891.5237.27.camel@xango2> References: <1132541372-1275057756-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-239510738-@bda698.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <1275060891.5237.27.camel@xango2> Message-ID: <1275061919.1964.1.camel@stilgar.rv162> Why is this issue still being discussed on the BugSquad list? To me it seems much more like a general Ubuntu and/or Launchpad issue. // Andreas -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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However I'm italian and yes, it's an insult to god but as somebody don't speak Italian we can't say it's a global insult. I'm agree: it's an insult to the community and somebody can feel themselves insulted, however the user should be *first* contacted since the user could solve this problem. Please don't continue discussing here since as I said this isn't the right place and we can't do nothing. Kind regards, Lorenzo De Liso From xteejyx at googlemail.com Fri May 28 19:39:10 2010 From: xteejyx at googlemail.com (Roy Jamison) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 20:39:10 +0100 Subject: Ubuntu-bugsquad Digest, Vol 47, Issue 36 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1275075550.2155.9.camel@teej-laptop> My two cents I don't believe there is an issue here. There are probably millions of permutations of other languages' words that can cause offense in another. For example, the phrase "old goat" in English means exactly that; a goat that is old, but say it to a German woman and you're likely to get a slap round the face. Debate on the existence, or lack thereof of any deity on a mailing list for an operating system is just stupid. The simple answer to this is: if you feel offended, regardless of how others see the name, then you should report it to Launchpad. This mailing list is purely for the discussion of bugs, bug reports, triaging, etc and should not be used for the impending ban on any user. It is up to the LP devs to decide what actions are taken on the user's account, if any. From bencrisford at googlemail.com Fri May 28 19:59:18 2010 From: bencrisford at googlemail.com (Ben Crisford) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 20:59:18 +0100 Subject: Ubuntu-bugsquad Digest, Vol 47, Issue 36 In-Reply-To: <1275075550.2155.9.camel@teej-laptop> References: <1275075550.2155.9.camel@teej-laptop> Message-ID: > The simple answer to this is: if you feel offended, regardless of how > others see the name, then you should report it to Launchpad. This > mailing list is purely for the discussion of bugs, bug reports, > triaging, etc and should not be used for the impending ban on any user. > It is up to the LP devs to decide what actions are taken on the user's > account, if any. +1 On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Roy Jamison wrote: > My two cents > > I don't believe there is an issue here. There are probably millions of > permutations of other languages' words that can cause offense in > another. For example, the phrase "old goat" in English means exactly > that; a goat that is old, but say it to a German woman and you're likely > to get a slap round the face. > Debate on the existence, or lack thereof of any deity on a mailing list > for an operating system is just stupid. > The simple answer to this is: if you feel offended, regardless of how > others see the name, then you should report it to Launchpad. This > mailing list is purely for the discussion of bugs, bug reports, > triaging, etc and should not be used for the impending ban on any user. > It is up to the LP devs to decide what actions are taken on the user's > account, if any. > > > > > -- > Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list > Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From qense at ubuntu.com Sun May 30 07:59:43 2010 From: qense at ubuntu.com (Sense Hofstede) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 09:59:43 +0200 Subject: Bug with Coredump.gz made public? In-Reply-To: <4C02048C.7030801@efekat.com> References: <4C02048C.7030801@efekat.com> Message-ID: On 30 May 2010 08:24, Ivan Ivanić wrote: > I am new to this and as I understood "Never mark a bug containing a > Coredump.gz attachment as public." this bug: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus-chewing/+bug/587140 should > not be public. Please explain if I have misunderstood the rule. > Thanks, > Ivan. > You are correct. Thank you for raising this issue! I've marked this bug private myself already, but feel free to do it yourself if you encounter such a bug again. Cheers, -- Sense Hofstede [ˈsɛn.sə ˈɦɔf.steː.də] From ivan at efekat.com Sun May 30 09:06:49 2010 From: ivan at efekat.com (=?UTF-8?B?SXZhbiBJdmFuacSH?=) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 11:06:49 +0200 Subject: Bug with Coredump.gz made public? In-Reply-To: References: <4C02048C.7030801@efekat.com> Message-ID: <4C022AA9.70505@efekat.com> On 05/30/2010 09:59 AM, Sense Hofstede wrote: > On 30 May 2010 08:24, Ivan Ivanić wrote: > >> I am new to this and as I understood "Never mark a bug containing a >> Coredump.gz attachment as public." this bug: >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus-chewing/+bug/587140 should >> not be public. Please explain if I have misunderstood the rule. >> Thanks, >> Ivan. >> >> > You are correct. Thank you for raising this issue! > > I've marked this bug private myself already, but feel free to do it > yourself if you encounter such a bug again. > > Cheers, > Should Coredump.gz be removed? From what I see Stacktrace.txt looks good and all other attachments. How can I know when to remove Coredump.gz? Also who puts tag apport-failed-retrace? Maybe I sound a bit confused, that is because I am :-) Thanks for help. From qense at ubuntu.com Sun May 30 09:11:59 2010 From: qense at ubuntu.com (Sense Hofstede) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 11:11:59 +0200 Subject: Bug with Coredump.gz made public? In-Reply-To: <4C0227C2.20609@efekat.com> References: <4C02048C.7030801@efekat.com> <4C0227C2.20609@efekat.com> Message-ID: On 30 May 2010 10:54, Ivan Ivanić wrote: > On 05/30/2010 09:59 AM, Sense Hofstede wrote: >> On 30 May 2010 08:24, Ivan Ivanić wrote: >> >>> I am new to this and as I understood "Never mark a bug containing a >>> Coredump.gz attachment as public." this bug: >>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus-chewing/+bug/587140 should >>> not be public. Please explain if I have misunderstood the rule. >>> Thanks, >>> Ivan. >>> >>> >> You are correct. Thank you for raising this issue! >> >> I've marked this bug private myself already, but feel free to do it >> yourself if you encounter such a bug again. >> >> Cheers, >> > Should Coredump.gz be removed? From what I see Stacktrace.txt looks good > and all other attachments. How can I know when to remove Coredump.gz? > Also who puts tag apport-failed-retrace? > Maybe I sound a bit confused, that is because I am :-) Thanks for help. > You can see that the bug report still has got the need-retrace tag, which means that the Apport retracer still needs to do things with the Stacktrace and the Threadstacktrace. It needs the coredump for that to work and until Apport has retraced the log files coredump should remain attached. Apport removes the coredump by itself when it's done retracing. Before marking a bug as public I would also check other files, like XsessionErrors.txt, to make sure there is no confidential information in those attachments. Regards, -- Sense Hofstede [ˈsɛn.sə ˈɦɔf.steː.də] From ivan at efekat.com Sun May 30 09:29:06 2010 From: ivan at efekat.com (=?UTF-8?B?SXZhbiBJdmFuacSH?=) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 11:29:06 +0200 Subject: Bug with Coredump.gz made public? In-Reply-To: References: <4C02048C.7030801@efekat.com> <4C0227C2.20609@efekat.com> Message-ID: <4C022FE2.3060102@efekat.com> On 05/30/2010 11:11 AM, Sense Hofstede wrote: > On 30 May 2010 10:54, Ivan Ivanić wrote: > >> On 05/30/2010 09:59 AM, Sense Hofstede wrote: >> >>> On 30 May 2010 08:24, Ivan Ivanić wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I am new to this and as I understood "Never mark a bug containing a >>>> Coredump.gz attachment as public." this bug: >>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus-chewing/+bug/587140 should >>>> not be public. Please explain if I have misunderstood the rule. >>>> Thanks, >>>> Ivan. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> You are correct. Thank you for raising this issue! >>> >>> I've marked this bug private myself already, but feel free to do it >>> yourself if you encounter such a bug again. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> >> Should Coredump.gz be removed? From what I see Stacktrace.txt looks good >> and all other attachments. How can I know when to remove Coredump.gz? >> Also who puts tag apport-failed-retrace? >> Maybe I sound a bit confused, that is because I am :-) Thanks for help. >> >> > You can see that the bug report still has got the need-retrace tag, > which means that the Apport retracer still needs to do things with the > Stacktrace and the Threadstacktrace. It needs the coredump for that to > work and until Apport has retraced the log files coredump should > remain attached. Apport removes the coredump by itself when it's done > retracing. > > Before marking a bug as public I would also check other files, like > XsessionErrors.txt, to make sure there is no confidential information > in those attachments. > > Regards, > Thanks now I understand. Regards, Ivan. From zr.public at gmail.com Mon May 31 02:59:49 2010 From: zr.public at gmail.com (Zachary R) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 22:59:49 -0400 Subject: Membership Application and a hello. Message-ID: <4C032625.5090407@gmail.com> Hello my name is, Zachary and i have read the triage guide, and hope to learn alot from helping fix bugs and improve the quality of ubuntu. my launchpad >> http://launchpad.net/~zachary.r From davide.lasagna at polito.it Fri May 28 14:06:25 2010 From: davide.lasagna at polito.it (davide) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 16:06:25 +0200 Subject: Asking for a ban Message-ID: <1275055585.19628.17.camel@antares> >This user's name is absolutely OK. Banning user for "insulting" >something which existence is a matter of debate seems bizarre to me. Dear Artem Karimov, Please note, that since you are not Italian, you cannot understand how this word is used and what is the reaction of *EVERYONE* when someone says it. You would never say something like this at school, work, or whatever, without being considered a very rude and unpolite person. Since Launchpad is public and welcomes every one, it is very wrong to accept such names. What about if someone calls himself FUCKYOUSTUPIDBASTARD?? Would you still accept it? For me its the same. Davide From noreply at ubuntu.com Fri May 28 17:09:43 2010 From: noreply at ubuntu.com (=?utf-8?q?Ubuntu_Wiki_?=) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 17:09:43 -0000 Subject: =?utf-8?q?=5BUbuntu_Wiki=5D_Update_of_=22Bugs/Status=22_by_cyan-spam?= Message-ID: <20100528170943.23913.4679@jostaberry.canonical.com> Dear Wiki user, You have subscribed to a wiki page or wiki category on "Ubuntu Wiki" for change notification. The following page has been changed by cyan-spam: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status?action=diff&rev1=39&rev2=40 The comment on the change is: add info for Expired status ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ * This should also be used if the reported problem is not a bug at all, but for example user error * It should be used conservatively as bugs marked as Invalid no longer show up in default searches * Be sure to triple-check a bug before you invalidate it + * '''Expired''' + * This status is similar to Invalid, but is meant specifically for bugs that have been Incomplete for too long. (See above.) + * Like Invalid bugs, Expired bugs do not show up in default searches. * '''Confirmed''': * Another reporter has experienced the same bug, this can come in the form of a duplicate bug or a bug comment * {{{Confirmed}}} bugs require confirmation from '''someone other than the original reporter''' From noreply at ubuntu.com Mon May 31 14:27:12 2010 From: noreply at ubuntu.com (=?utf-8?q?Ubuntu_Wiki_?=) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 14:27:12 -0000 Subject: =?utf-8?q?=5BUbuntu_Wiki=5D_Update_of_=22Bugs/HowToFix=22_by_dholbach?= Message-ID: <20100531142712.21340.6648@jostaberry.canonical.com> Dear Wiki user, You have subscribed to a wiki page or wiki category on "Ubuntu Wiki" for change notification. The following page has been changed by dholbach: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFix?action=diff&rev1=25&rev2=26 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ {{{ sudo aptitude install devscripts ubuntu-dev-tools cdbs }}} + + <> = Generating a patch = From noreply at ubuntu.com Mon May 31 14:47:23 2010 From: noreply at ubuntu.com (=?utf-8?q?Ubuntu_Wiki_?=) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 14:47:23 -0000 Subject: =?utf-8?q?=5BUbuntu_Wiki=5D_Update_of_=22Bugs/HowToFix=22_by_dholbach?= Message-ID: <20100531144723.25120.49616@jostaberry.canonical.com> Dear Wiki user, You have subscribed to a wiki page or wiki category on "Ubuntu Wiki" for change notification. The following page has been changed by dholbach: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFix?action=diff&rev1=26&rev2=27 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Here's an example of how you can create a patch: <> + Some packages store patches to the source in a special way. [[PackagingGuide/PatchSystems]] has more information about this how to deal with this. '''[[PackagingGuide/PatchSystems#Easy|Using edit-patch]]''' is the easiest way to deal with patch systems. + + - * ''([[PackagingGuide]] has even more information about building, patching and testing packages.)'' + * ''[[PackagingGuide]] has more information about building, patching and testing packages.'' * [[UbuntuDevelopment/Patches]] has general guidelines for good patches. * [[MeetingLogs/devweek0901/UbuntuBugFixing|Session about 'fixing bugs in Ubuntu']] From noreply at ubuntu.com Mon May 31 14:57:25 2010 From: noreply at ubuntu.com (=?utf-8?q?Ubuntu_Wiki_?=) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 14:57:25 -0000 Subject: =?utf-8?q?=5BUbuntu_Wiki=5D_Update_of_=22Bugs/Patches=22_by_dholbach?= Message-ID: <20100531145725.27183.48193@jostaberry.canonical.com> Dear Wiki user, You have subscribed to a wiki page or wiki category on "Ubuntu Wiki" for change notification. The following page has been changed by dholbach: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Patches?action=diff&rev1=36&rev2=37 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Here the files '''debian/rules''' and '''debian/control''' are being modified. + + === Patch Systems === + <> + == Other == A patch could also be an image file, in the event that a package is missing a menu icon. [[ https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/system-cleaner/+bug/274714 | Bug 274714 ]] is a great example of this. In the debdiff the image is uuencoded (converted from binary to text) and looks like: From noreply at ubuntu.com Mon May 31 15:02:39 2010 From: noreply at ubuntu.com (=?utf-8?q?Ubuntu_Wiki_?=) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 15:02:39 -0000 Subject: =?utf-8?q?=5BUbuntu_Wiki=5D_Update_of_=22Bugs/Patches=22_by_dholbach?= Message-ID: <20100531150239.27183.21577@jostaberry.canonical.com> Dear Wiki user, You have subscribed to a wiki page or wiki category on "Ubuntu Wiki" for change notification. The following page has been changed by dholbach: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Patches?action=diff&rev1=37&rev2=38 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ === Patch Systems === <> + === Forwarding Patches Upstream === + <> + == Other == A patch could also be an image file, in the event that a package is missing a menu icon. [[ https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/system-cleaner/+bug/274714 | Bug 274714 ]] is a great example of this. In the debdiff the image is uuencoded (converted from binary to text) and looks like: From noreply at ubuntu.com Mon May 31 15:03:31 2010 From: noreply at ubuntu.com (=?utf-8?q?Ubuntu_Wiki_?=) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 15:03:31 -0000 Subject: =?utf-8?q?=5BUbuntu_Wiki=5D_Update_of_=22Bugs/HowToFix=22_by_dholbach?= Message-ID: <20100531150331.30200.73146@jostaberry.canonical.com> Dear Wiki user, You have subscribed to a wiki page or wiki category on "Ubuntu Wiki" for change notification. The following page has been changed by dholbach: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFix?action=diff&rev1=27&rev2=28 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Here's an example of how you can create a patch: <> + <> + <> - Some packages store patches to the source in a special way. [[PackagingGuide/PatchSystems]] has more information about this how to deal with this. '''[[PackagingGuide/PatchSystems#Easy|Using edit-patch]]''' is the easiest way to deal with patch systems. - - - * ''[[PackagingGuide]] has more information about building, patching and testing packages.'' - * [[UbuntuDevelopment/Patches]] has general guidelines for good patches. - * [[MeetingLogs/devweek0901/UbuntuBugFixing|Session about 'fixing bugs in Ubuntu']] - = Testing the fixes = From skybon at gmail.com Mon May 31 15:51:54 2010 From: skybon at gmail.com (Artem Karimov) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 19:51:54 +0400 Subject: Asking for a ban In-Reply-To: <1275055585.19628.17.camel@antares> References: <1275055585.19628.17.camel@antares> Message-ID: BugSquad is by no means related to dealing with "insulting" nicknames. If you have any questions please visit Launchpad Answers page. On 28 May 2010 18:06, davide wrote: >>This user's name is absolutely OK. Banning user for "insulting" >>something which existence is a matter of debate seems bizarre to me. > > Dear Artem Karimov, > Please note, that since you are not Italian, you cannot understand how > this word is used and what is the reaction of *EVERYONE* when someone > says it. > > You would never say something like this at school, work, or whatever, > without being considered a very rude and unpolite person. Since > Launchpad is public and welcomes every one, it is very wrong to accept > such names. > > What about if someone calls himself FUCKYOUSTUPIDBASTARD?? Would you > still accept it?  For me its the same. > > > Davide > > > > > > -- > Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list > Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad > -- Artem Karimov (https://launchpad.net/~skybon)