From andres.mujica at ubuntu.com Wed May 6 12:07:47 2009 From: andres.mujica at ubuntu.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s?= Mauricio Mujica Zalamea) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 07:07:47 -0500 Subject: bugsquad meetings? In-Reply-To: <20090429161847.GS5902@murraytwins.com> References: <1240876494.17096.36.camel@akita.seaq.intranet> <20090428000742.GD5902@murraytwins.com> <1240883476.17096.54.camel@akita.seaq.intranet> <20090429161847.GS5902@murraytwins.com> Message-ID: <1241611667.4027.2.camel@vostro> > > > - Newly bug trends identified by triagers > > > - Bugs that need attention/help/mentoring > > > - Upstream relationships (what happened with the bugtracker plugins > > > developed by LP?/Relationship with different distros affected by same > > > upstream bugs/What do the devs need from us?) > > > - Tasks to do for the team > > > - UDS participation? > > > - probably some more... > > -Open Discussions > > -LP Improvements for triagers > > -LoCo Bug Jams > > -New bug-stuff to look forward to > > Well, it certainly sounds like there is a fair bit of stuff to discuss > then. I'm generally available from 1500 to 2359 UTC during weekdays but > could be available other times too. When should we try and have the > meeting then? Great!!!, i`ll be joining the today's qa meeting in order to formally propose it. > > Thanks, Regards, -- Andrés Mauricio Mujica Zalamea Ubuntu Member -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andres.mujica at ubuntu.com Thu May 7 15:22:38 2009 From: andres.mujica at ubuntu.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s?= Mauricio Mujica Zalamea) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 10:22:38 -0500 Subject: Monthly BugSquad Meeting - 12th May, 2009 16.00 UTC Message-ID: <1241709758.2827.27.camel@vostro> Hi BugSquad! According to last QATeam meeting, and discussion at the mailing list, the BugSquad would have it first monthly meeting this Tuesday 12th May at 16.00 UTC. Everyone is invited to join us and discuss how we can improve our Team and actions!!! The proposed Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Meeting Don't hesitate in add the topics you consider should be there; also as this would be our first meeting in a long time, some topics may not be discussed due to lack of time. However if needed, we could move the discussion to #ubuntu-bugs. The point is to hold a meeting benefical for all of us and off course for Ubuntu!. So don't forget, Tuesday 12th May at 16.00 UTC. Regards, -- Andrés Mauricio Mujica Zalamea Ubuntu BugSquad/BugControl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From briancurtis.wx at gmail.com Thu May 7 15:30:20 2009 From: briancurtis.wx at gmail.com (Brian Curtis) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 11:30:20 -0400 Subject: Monthly BugSquad Meeting - 12th May, 2009 16.00 UTC In-Reply-To: <1241709758.2827.27.camel@vostro> References: <1241709758.2827.27.camel@vostro> Message-ID: Also, the meeting will be held in #ubuntu-meeting ~Brian C. Research is what I'm doing when I don't know what I'm doing. --Wernher Von Braun "The second law of thermodynamics: If you think things are in a mess now, JUST WAIT!!" On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Andrés Mauricio Mujica Zalamea wrote: > Hi BugSquad! > > According to last QATeam meeting, and discussion at the mailing list, the > BugSquad would have it first monthly meeting this Tuesday 12th May at 16.00 > UTC. > > Everyone is invited to join us and discuss how we can improve our Team and > actions!!! > > The proposed Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Meeting > > Don't hesitate in add the topics you consider should be there; also as this > would be our first meeting in a long time, some topics may not be discussed > due to lack of time.  However if needed, we could move the discussion to > #ubuntu-bugs.  The point is to hold a meeting benefical for all of us and > off course for Ubuntu!. > > So don't forget, Tuesday 12th May at 16.00 UTC. > > Regards, > > > -- > Andrés Mauricio Mujica Zalamea > Ubuntu BugSquad/BugControl > -- > Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list > Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad > > From mrooney at gmail.com Thu May 7 19:13:50 2009 From: mrooney at gmail.com (Mike Rooney) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 12:13:50 -0700 Subject: Monthly BugSquad Meeting - 12th May, 2009 16.00 UTC In-Reply-To: <1241709758.2827.27.camel@vostro> References: <1241709758.2827.27.camel@vostro> Message-ID: <4f4806ee0905071213i30a1a41bj16d712f1d18f9364@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Andrés Mauricio Mujica Zalamea wrote: > So don't forget, Tuesday 12th May at 16.00 UTC. Sounds like a good idea to have a BugSquad meeting! I'd be there but I am not normally awake at this hour. I'll have to check out the logs. -- Michael Rooney mrooney at gmail.com From hacktick at ubuntu.com Thu May 7 19:47:23 2009 From: hacktick at ubuntu.com (Martin Kossick) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 21:47:23 +0200 Subject: Monthly BugSquad Meeting - 12th May, 2009 16.00 UTC In-Reply-To: <4f4806ee0905071213i30a1a41bj16d712f1d18f9364@mail.gmail.com> References: <1241709758.2827.27.camel@vostro> <4f4806ee0905071213i30a1a41bj16d712f1d18f9364@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey, 2009/5/7 Mike Rooney : > On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Andrés Mauricio Mujica Zalamea > wrote: >> So don't forget, Tuesday 12th May at 16.00 UTC. There will be a BugJam in Berlin at this time, I think will join you anyway. Cheers, Martin From a.starr.b at gmail.com Thu May 7 20:18:24 2009 From: a.starr.b at gmail.com (Andrew) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 16:18:24 -0400 Subject: Monthly BugSquad Meeting - 12th May, 2009 16.00 UTC In-Reply-To: <1241709758.2827.27.camel@vostro> References: <1241709758.2827.27.camel@vostro> Message-ID: On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Andrés Mauricio Mujica Zalamea wrote: > Everyone is invited to join us and discuss how we can improve our Team and > actions!!! > > The proposed Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Meeting > > Don't hesitate in add the topics you consider should be there One thing that we should be aware of going forward are some discussions on in the Desktop Team. From the minutes of their last meeting: == Triaging versus Bug Fixing/Closing in Karmic == * Discussion about doing the right amount of bug fixing versus bug triaging versus other work. * rickspencer3 encouraged that the team to think "bold" about how to address this in Karmic, discussion ensued. * rickspencer3 will schedule a UDS sessions to discuss. Full meeting log is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2009-05-05 The discussion of this point begins at 17:50 The main point is that they are concerned with the fact that that Desktop Team developers have to spend more time than they should on bug triaging rather than fixing. As they discuss options to deal with this problem, the Bug Squad / QA Team should share their experience and advise. Time to break down some of the developer/triager boundaries and work together... - Andrew Starr-Bochicchio From leann.ogasawara at canonical.com Fri May 8 01:15:08 2009 From: leann.ogasawara at canonical.com (Leann Ogasawara) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 18:15:08 -0700 Subject: Kernel Bug Day - 20090512 Message-ID: <1241745308.18979.125.camel@emiko> Hi All, The Canonical Kernel Team is currently holding kernel bug days [1] twice a month. Each kernel team member will be responsible for a specific subset of bugs however community involvement is also greatly appreciated. The next scheduled kernel bug day will be held Tues. May 12, 2009 [2]. The focus of this bug day will be on bugs with a High importance as well as old incomplete bugs. Please join us Tuesday in the #ubuntu-kernel IRC channel on FreeNode as we tackle this list of bugs! Thanks in advance, Leann [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/BugDay [2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/BugDay/20090512 From martinmai-ubuntu at web.de Mon May 11 14:50:16 2009 From: martinmai-ubuntu at web.de (Martin Mai) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 16:50:16 +0200 Subject: Announcing the Next Ubuntu Hug Day! - 14th May, 2009 Message-ID: <1242053416.4146.15.camel@martin-laptop> Fellow Ubuntu Triagers! This week's HugDay target is *drum roll please* new bugs without a package! * #250 New bugs need a hug Bookmark it, add it to your calendars, turn over those egg-timers! * 15th May, 2009 * http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090514 Can't stress it enough: everyone can help! Have some time? Triage boogz! I won't be upset if you get a headstart~ ;) Have a blog? Blog about Hugday! Have some screen space? Open #ubuntu-bugs and keep an eye out for newcomers in need. Have minions? Teach THEM to triage for you! :) Wanna be famous? Is easy! remember to use 5-A-day so if you do a good work your name could be listed at the top 5-A-Day Contributors in the Ubuntu Hall of Fame page! Make a difference; we will be in #ubuntu-bugs (FreeNode) all day and night, and will be ready to answer your questions about how to help. If you're new to all this, head to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs Have a nice day, Martin Mai [From the BugSquad] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From xteejx at hotmail.co.uk Tue May 12 20:11:24 2009 From: xteejx at hotmail.co.uk (Teej) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 21:11:24 +0100 Subject: Flash 10 installation in Firefox Message-ID: There appears to be a recurring problem in Firefox with the installation of Flash. The plugin finder service does not provide a suitable plugin for flash. 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I've just made the report and it's available at the wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Meeting/Minutes/2009-12-05 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Meeting The next one would be hold at June 9th 2009 16.00 UTC #ubuntu-meeting Some topics need further discussion and it was agreed that the best place would be here. The topics to discuss are: - how people attending UDS can help out the Bug Squad? - New trends/infamous bugs consolidation wiki page layout - Proposed topics for next meeting Also some tips were discussed too: - New bug trends identified by triagers should be raised at the ML so the team can act faster in this cases - New triagers looking for help should ask at the ML, at -bugs for any specific bug they're working on. - The bugcontrol members that are willing to mentor new bugsquad members on some specific topic should include their IRC nicknames at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors One thing to consider is that we need to use more effectively the ML, as is the best way to reach all the bugsquad team and get more discussion around every topic that matters. So don't forget next meeting and the topics that need discussion! PS: Thanks a lot to everyone for attending, the next one would be a lot better for sure!! -- Andrés Mauricio Mujica Zalamea Ubuntu Member -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shinobi.ubuntu at gmail.com Wed May 13 11:15:26 2009 From: shinobi.ubuntu at gmail.com (Shinobi) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 07:15:26 -0400 Subject: Report and Minutes BugSquad meeting References: <1242186190.11805.29.camel@vostro> Message-ID: Greetings, Is there anyway that we could switch the next meeting to a June weekend :-) Thank You, Shinobi - Network Engineer http://theubuntuforums.org - Member / Site Tester http://www.speedguide.net - Member ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrés Mauricio Mujica Zalamea To: ubuntu-bugsquad ; ubuntu-bugcontrol Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 11:43 PM Subject: Report and Minutes BugSquad meeting Hi Bugsquad!! Today we held our first meeting in some time, i believe it was a great meeting and i'm sure it would be better as we can take benefit from it. I've just made the report and it's available at the wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Meeting/Minutes/2009-12-05 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Meeting The next one would be hold at June 9th 2009 16.00 UTC #ubuntu-meeting Some topics need further discussion and it was agreed that the best place would be here. The topics to discuss are: - how people attending UDS can help out the Bug Squad? - New trends/infamous bugs consolidation wiki page layout - Proposed topics for next meeting Also some tips were discussed too: - New bug trends identified by triagers should be raised at the ML so the team can act faster in this cases - New triagers looking for help should ask at the ML, at -bugs for any specific bug they're working on. - The bugcontrol members that are willing to mentor new bugsquad members on some specific topic should include their IRC nicknames at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors One thing to consider is that we need to use more effectively the ML, as is the best way to reach all the bugsquad team and get more discussion around every topic that matters. So don't forget next meeting and the topics that need discussion! PS: Thanks a lot to everyone for attending, the next one would be a lot better for sure!! -- Andrés Mauricio Mujica Zalamea Ubuntu Member ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wolfger at gmail.com Wed May 13 14:46:50 2009 From: wolfger at gmail.com (wolfger) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 14:46:50 +0000 Subject: on a humorous note... Message-ID: <0016e64617c41a9e6f0469cc4810@google.com> How not to triage a bug: Sent to you by wolfger via Google Reader: CNR via xkcd.com on 5/12/09 Things you can do from here: - Subscribe to xkcd.com using Google Reader - Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From jw+debian at jameswestby.net Wed May 13 17:18:48 2009 From: jw+debian at jameswestby.net (James Westby) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 18:18:48 +0100 Subject: UDS Attendee Assistance In-Reply-To: <20090513163855.GL5376@murraytwins.com> References: <20090513163855.GL5376@murraytwins.com> Message-ID: <1242235128.22675.187.camel@flash> On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 09:38 -0700, Brian Murray wrote: > I brought this up in the Bug Squad meeting the other day and hggdh > mentioned increasing the quantity of Debugging Procedures. What other > ideas are there? I think this is a good idea, and it would be great to have more of them, and earlier. It would be ideal if we could have Debugging Procedures in place for new things that are getting rolled out in a release so that we can more easily build up shared knowledge. Obviously with a new thing there is no-one that can write the whole thing, so we need to work on it together, but if it could be seeded with basic information (starting and stopping, log files, how to get more debug information in logs) it would be a great start. Thanks, James From pedro at ubuntu.com Wed May 13 18:18:25 2009 From: pedro at ubuntu.com (Pedro Villavicencio Garrido) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 14:18:25 -0400 Subject: Hug days for the next two weeks Message-ID: <1242238705.4039.56.camel@thylacine> Hello folks, We need your help... the next two weeks some members (including myself) of the BugSquad are not going to be around because of the Ubuntu Developer Summit in Spain and a Company internal conference, which means that we need to find someone to help out to organize/run the hug days on Thursday 21 and Thursday 28 of May, so my question is: do you want to run those or do you think that we should postpone?. If you are totally unfamiliar with organizing a hug day, it's pretty simple and straight forward, what you need to know as a first read is available at the Organizing page[1] ; And also you need to be around at the channel that day to help triagers and discuss about bugs. What we also need is new targets for those days, how to propose one? just reply to the thread and add the idea to the Planning page[2], I'm saying that we need a new target because the next the ones on the list are update-manager/notifier and synaptic and I'd like to have Michael Vogt (the maintainer) involved on those, and yes he's also busy those weeks. If you want to help well just reply to this thread and I can help you to start to setting up everything. 1- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Organizing 2- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Planning Have a nice day, pedro. From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Wed May 13 19:45:51 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 13:45:51 -0600 Subject: Hug days for the next two weeks In-Reply-To: <1242238705.4039.56.camel@thylacine> References: <1242238705.4039.56.camel@thylacine> Message-ID: <20090513134551.2f23871f@teamcharliesangels.com> On Wed, 13 May 2009 14:18:25 -0400 Pedro Villavicencio Garrido wrote: > Hello folks, > > We need your help... the next two weeks some members (including > myself) of the BugSquad are not going to be around because of the > Ubuntu Developer Summit in Spain and a Company internal conference, > which means that we need to find someone to help out to organize/run > the hug days on Thursday 21 and Thursday 28 of May, so my question > is: do you want to run those or do you think that we should postpone?. > > If you are totally unfamiliar with organizing a hug day, it's pretty > simple and straight forward, what you need to know as a first read is > available at the Organizing page[1] ; And also you need to be around > at the channel that day to help triagers and discuss about bugs. > > What we also need is new targets for those days, how to propose one? > just reply to the thread and add the idea to the Planning page[2], I'm > saying that we need a new target because the next the ones on the list > are update-manager/notifier and synaptic and I'd like to have Michael > Vogt (the maintainer) involved on those, and yes he's also busy those > weeks. > > If you want to help well just reply to this thread and I can help you > to start to setting up everything. > > 1- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Organizing > 2- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Planning > > Have a nice day, > > pedro. > As I discussed with you, I will head up the Hug days for 21 May and 28 May. I think firefox will be a good choice for 21 May. I am open to ideas for the next one. -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From hggdh2 at gmail.com Wed May 13 20:12:59 2009 From: hggdh2 at gmail.com (C de-Avillez) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 15:12:59 -0500 Subject: Hug days for the next two weeks In-Reply-To: <20090513134551.2f23871f@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <1242238705.4039.56.camel@thylacine> <20090513134551.2f23871f@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <20090513151259.1bb65bfd@xango2> On Wed, 13 May 2009 13:45:51 -0600 Charlie Kravetz wrote: > As I discussed with you, I will head up the Hug days for 21 May and 28 > May. > > I think firefox will be a good choice for 21 May. I am open to ideas > for the next one. And I can help you, if you need. ..hggdh.. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pedro at ubuntu.com Wed May 13 20:33:29 2009 From: pedro at ubuntu.com (Pedro Villavicencio Garrido) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 16:33:29 -0400 Subject: Hug days for the next two weeks In-Reply-To: <20090513151259.1bb65bfd@xango2> References: <1242238705.4039.56.camel@thylacine> <20090513134551.2f23871f@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090513151259.1bb65bfd@xango2> Message-ID: <1242246809.4039.74.camel@thylacine> Hola, On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 15:12 -0500, C de-Avillez wrote: > On Wed, 13 May 2009 13:45:51 -0600 > Charlie Kravetz wrote: > > > As I discussed with you, I will head up the Hug days for 21 May and 28 > > May. > > > > I think firefox will be a good choice for 21 May. I am open to ideas > > for the next one. > > And I can help you, if you need. Nice!, Yeah firefox is one of those packages that always need love and I'm sure asac would be happy to receive some help, just looking to the stats: - 567 New - 148 Confirmed - 423 Incomplete We also need another target, I was looking to the upstream report[1] to find some other and thunderbird also have a good quantity of bugs: - 256 New - 42 Confirmed - 95 Incomplete What do you think about it? Any other proposal? 1- https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+upstreamreport Thanks for helping out guys!, pedro. From hggdh2 at gmail.com Wed May 13 21:31:01 2009 From: hggdh2 at gmail.com (C de-Avillez) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 16:31:01 -0500 Subject: Hug days for the next two weeks In-Reply-To: <1242246809.4039.74.camel@thylacine> References: <1242238705.4039.56.camel@thylacine> <20090513134551.2f23871f@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090513151259.1bb65bfd@xango2> <1242246809.4039.74.camel@thylacine> Message-ID: <20090513163101.5a351b26@xango2> On Wed, 13 May 2009 16:33:29 -0400 Pedro Villavicencio Garrido wrote: > Nice!, Yeah firefox is one of those packages that always need love and > I'm sure asac would be happy to receive some help, just looking to the > stats: > > - 567 New > - 148 Confirmed > - 423 Incomplete > > We also need another target, I was looking to the upstream report[1] > to find some other and thunderbird also have a good quantity of bugs: > > - 256 New > - 42 Confirmed > - 95 Incomplete > > What do you think about it? Any other proposal? I think these are good options. BTW, thekorn just pointed one interesting target: expired bugs... [1] I think this would also be a worthy target, but we would, probably, have to dedicate *some* hugdays to it -- and explain, carefully, how to deal with them. But it is a proposal. I would not want to get it done during UDS. ..hggdh.. [1] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+expirable-bugs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Dimitris Symeonidis "If you think you're too small to make a difference, try sleeping with a mosquito!" - Amnesty International On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 19:18, James Westby wrote: > On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 09:38 -0700, Brian Murray wrote: >> I brought this up in the Bug Squad meeting the other day and hggdh >> mentioned increasing the quantity of Debugging Procedures.  What other >> ideas are there? > > I think this is a good idea, and it would be great to have more of them, > and earlier. It would be ideal if we could have Debugging Procedures in > place for new things that are getting rolled out in a release so that > we can more easily build up shared knowledge. Obviously with a new thing > there is no-one that can write the whole thing, so we need to work on > it together, but if it could be seeded with basic information (starting > and stopping, log files, how to get more debug information in logs) > it would be a great start. > > Thanks, > > James > > > -- > Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list > Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad > From pedro at ubuntu.com Thu May 14 12:26:41 2009 From: pedro at ubuntu.com (Pedro Villavicencio Garrido) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 08:26:41 -0400 Subject: Hug days for the next two weeks In-Reply-To: <20090513163101.5a351b26@xango2> References: <1242238705.4039.56.camel@thylacine> <20090513134551.2f23871f@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090513151259.1bb65bfd@xango2> <1242246809.4039.74.camel@thylacine> <20090513163101.5a351b26@xango2> Message-ID: <1242304001.4255.12.camel@thylacine> Hola, On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 16:31 -0500, C de-Avillez wrote: > I think these are good options. Ok nice, will put those into the Planning page. > > BTW, thekorn just pointed one interesting target: expired bugs... [1] > > I think this would also be a worthy target, but we would, probably, > have to dedicate *some* hugdays to it -- and explain, carefully, how to > deal with them. > > But it is a proposal. I would not want to get it done during UDS. > That's a good idea indeed, let's add it to the page so we don't forget about it and yes it would require more than just one hug day. Best Regards, pedro. From brian at ubuntu.com Thu May 14 15:49:13 2009 From: brian at ubuntu.com (Brian Murray) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 08:49:13 -0700 Subject: UDS Attendee Assistance In-Reply-To: <36265bc20905140204r31f2b6d7gf854606b197d0a49@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090513163855.GL5376@murraytwins.com> <1242235128.22675.187.camel@flash> <36265bc20905140204r31f2b6d7gf854606b197d0a49@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090514154913.GR5376@murraytwins.com> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:04:28AM +0200, Dimitris Symeonidis wrote: > It would also be useful if these were somehow detected by LP and a > link were provided for related bugs... Could you elaborate on what you mean? When people file bugs about packages that have debugging procedures there are package bug filing guidelines that indicate what information we need for those bug reports. I'm not certain that is what you had in mind though. -- Brian Murray @ubuntu.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From brian at ubuntu.com Thu May 14 15:55:05 2009 From: brian at ubuntu.com (Brian Murray) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 08:55:05 -0700 Subject: Hug days for the next two weeks In-Reply-To: <20090513163101.5a351b26@xango2> References: <1242238705.4039.56.camel@thylacine> <20090513134551.2f23871f@teamcharliesangels.com> <20090513151259.1bb65bfd@xango2> <1242246809.4039.74.camel@thylacine> <20090513163101.5a351b26@xango2> Message-ID: <20090514155505.GS5376@murraytwins.com> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 04:31:01PM -0500, C de-Avillez wrote: > On Wed, 13 May 2009 16:33:29 -0400 > Pedro Villavicencio Garrido wrote: > > > Nice!, Yeah firefox is one of those packages that always need love and > > I'm sure asac would be happy to receive some help, just looking to the > > stats: > > > > - 567 New > > - 148 Confirmed > > - 423 Incomplete > > > > We also need another target, I was looking to the upstream report[1] > > to find some other and thunderbird also have a good quantity of bugs: > > > > - 256 New > > - 42 Confirmed > > - 95 Incomplete > > > > What do you think about it? Any other proposal? > > I think these are good options. > > BTW, thekorn just pointed one interesting target: expired bugs... [1] > > I think this would also be a worthy target, but we would, probably, > have to dedicate *some* hugdays to it -- and explain, carefully, how to > deal with them. I'm not convinced that this would be an effective use of our time. Most triagers and developers don't look at Incomplete without response bugs, which is one of the criteria for ending up on this list. Subsequently, the bug may as well be Invalid - except it stills shows up in bug lists so may be useful for reporters if they are experiencing the same bug report. Also considering that only 14%[1] of bugs are Incomplete and 47% are New, I don't think the bugs eligible for expiration are a significant quantity at this point in time. [1] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ -- Brian Murray @ubuntu.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The same for all the packages that have such a wiki page Dimitris Symeonidis "If you think you're too small to make a difference, try sleeping with a mosquito!" - Amnesty International On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 17:49, Brian Murray wrote: > On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:04:28AM +0200, Dimitris Symeonidis wrote: >> It would also be useful if these were somehow detected by LP and a >> link were provided for related bugs... > > Could you elaborate on what you mean? > > When people file bugs about packages that have debugging procedures > there are package bug filing guidelines that indicate what information > we need for those bug reports.  I'm not certain that is what you had in > mind though. > > -- > Brian Murray                                                 @ubuntu.com > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkoMPXkACgkQDTAwc5ER+zWODACgzGSJOHZFv8G+WZRH8pClOS0+ > E0IAoIE67hO/djAlOCT48DEov9VQZVkR > =ZQjt > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list > Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad > > From brian at ubuntu.com Fri May 15 16:42:53 2009 From: brian at ubuntu.com (Brian Murray) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 09:42:53 -0700 Subject: UDS Attendee Assistance In-Reply-To: <36265bc20905150138v74b81220g40a66788ffa15cf@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090513163855.GL5376@murraytwins.com> <1242235128.22675.187.camel@flash> <36265bc20905140204r31f2b6d7gf854606b197d0a49@mail.gmail.com> <20090514154913.GR5376@murraytwins.com> <36265bc20905150138v74b81220g40a66788ffa15cf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090515164253.GX5376@murraytwins.com> On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 10:38:53AM +0200, Dimitris Symeonidis wrote: > This is a bug filed against evince: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evince/+bug/376233 > > These are the debugging guidelines: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingEvince Thanks for creating this page however, I noticed that this page was not part of the CategoryDebugging in the wiki so I added it. Additionally, the page was not listed at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures which would have been helpful too. hggdh has added it now. > It would be useful to have a link somewhere in the bug page to the > debugging guidelines... We can add a link to the +filebug page, in the package guided bug filing isntructions, for evince. Perhaps something like the following: "Please report bugs about evince using the following command in a terminal: $ ubuntu-bug -p evince This will automatically gather information that will help us investigate your bug report. Additionally, there are some debugging procedures written for this package which may help at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingEvince which are part of the debugging series at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures. Thanks in advance!" Do you think that will that help? Thanks again for creating that wiki page. -- Brian Murray @ubuntu.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From azimout at gmail.com Mon May 18 09:15:19 2009 From: azimout at gmail.com (Dimitris Symeonidis) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 11:15:19 +0200 Subject: UDS Attendee Assistance In-Reply-To: <20090515164253.GX5376@murraytwins.com> References: <20090513163855.GL5376@murraytwins.com> <1242235128.22675.187.camel@flash> <36265bc20905140204r31f2b6d7gf854606b197d0a49@mail.gmail.com> <20090514154913.GR5376@murraytwins.com> <36265bc20905150138v74b81220g40a66788ffa15cf@mail.gmail.com> <20090515164253.GX5376@murraytwins.com> Message-ID: <36265bc20905180215w5684c03bqe95d545761e65191@mail.gmail.com> You're welcome, and thanx for adding it to the CategoryDebugging and to the DebuggingProcedures... Yes, something like what you proposed would be helpful... Dimitris Symeonidis "If you think you're too small to make a difference, try sleeping with a mosquito!" - Amnesty International On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 18:42, Brian Murray wrote: > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 10:38:53AM +0200, Dimitris Symeonidis wrote: >> This is a bug filed against evince: >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evince/+bug/376233 >> >> These are the debugging guidelines: >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingEvince > > Thanks for creating this page however, I noticed that this page was not > part of the CategoryDebugging in the wiki so I added it. > Additionally, the page was not listed at > http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures which would have been helpful > too.  hggdh has added it now. > >> It would be useful to have a link somewhere in the bug page to the >> debugging guidelines... > > We can add a link to the +filebug page, in the package guided bug filing > isntructions, for evince.  Perhaps something like the following: > > "Please report bugs about evince using the following command in a > terminal: > >  $ ubuntu-bug -p evince > > This will automatically gather information that will help us investigate > your bug report.  Additionally, there are some debugging procedures > written for this package which may help at > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingEvince which are part of the debugging > series at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures.  Thanks in > advance!" > > Do you think that will that help?  Thanks again for creating that wiki > page. > > -- > Brian Murray                                                 @ubuntu.com > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkoNm40ACgkQDTAwc5ER+zVeEQCg7NMtb5Ctoiv2RwOKCDDCMcA4 > CgEAoLSvI/cWF/ZXLHvuVcsHi9glevZK > =CY6x > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Wed May 20 14:11:31 2009 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 08:11:31 -0600 Subject: Announcing the Next Ubuntu Hug Day! - 2009-05-21 Message-ID: <20090520081131.05b53173@teamcharliesangels.com> Fellow Ubuntu Triagers! This week's HugDay target is *drum roll please* Firefox-3.0! * #200 New bugs need a hug * #200 Incomplete bugs need a status check * #152 Confirmed bugs need a review We want to made a big dent in the firefox 3.0 bugs. Let's help make firefox as good as it can be! We all know the bugs get resolved faster if they get triaged, so let's all get together. Bookmark it, add it to your calendars, turn over those egg-timers! * 2009-05-21 * http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090521 Can't stress it enough: everyone can help! Have some time? Triage boogz! I won't be upset if you get a headstart~ ;) Have a blog? Blog about Hugday! Have some screen space? Open #ubuntu-bugs and keep an eye out for newcomers in need. Have minions? Teach THEM to triage for you! :) Make a difference; we will be in #ubuntu-bugs (FreeNode) all day and night, and will be ready to answer your questions about how to help. If you're new to all this, head to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs Have a nice day, charlie-tca [From the BugSquad] -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From afujihara at gmail.com Sun May 24 09:42:16 2009 From: afujihara at gmail.com (a fuji) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 18:42:16 +0900 Subject: Question about triaging tulip's bug #230368 Message-ID: <116f78c80905240242n5196044bk6c4b037120b19862@mail.gmail.com> Dear BugSquad members, Hello, I'm afujihara and I've recently started triaging bugs. The bug I'd like to triage now is something related with a graph drawing software "tulip." https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tulip/+bug/230368 As you can see the link and the comments added by me, I completely reproduced this bug on my PC. So, I change the status to "confirmed" judging by Bug/Status wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status . Is what I do correct? I've also finished collecting strace and backtrace and uploaded the result to launchpad. But, I don't know what I should do next to get the status triaged, and then finally fixed. Is there someone here who kindly help me to guide this? Thank you in advance. -- afujihara email: afujihara at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From caroline.ford.work at googlemail.com Sun May 24 14:05:28 2009 From: caroline.ford.work at googlemail.com (Caroline Ford) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 15:05:28 +0100 Subject: Question about triaging tulip's bug #230368 In-Reply-To: <116f78c80905240242n5196044bk6c4b037120b19862@mail.gmail.com> References: <116f78c80905240242n5196044bk6c4b037120b19862@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Try and look and see what version the software is that has the bug. Does Ubuntu have a higher version with a fix? Does Debian? Do the people who make tulip? Caroline 2009/5/24 a fuji : > Dear BugSquad members, > > Hello, I'm afujihara and I've recently started triaging bugs. > > The bug I'd like to triage now is something related with a graph > drawing software "tulip." > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tulip/+bug/230368 > As you can see the link and the comments added by me, > I completely reproduced this bug on my PC. So, I change the status > to "confirmed" judging by Bug/Status wiki > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status . > Is what I do correct? > > I've also finished collecting strace and backtrace and uploaded the result > to launchpad. > But, I don't know what I should do next to get the status triaged, and then > finally fixed. > Is there someone here who kindly help me to guide this? > > Thank you in advance. > > -- > afujihara > email: afujihara at gmail.com > > > -- > Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list > Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad > > From caroline.ford.work at googlemail.com Sun May 24 14:08:01 2009 From: caroline.ford.work at googlemail.com (Caroline Ford) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 15:08:01 +0100 Subject: Question about triaging tulip's bug #230368 In-Reply-To: <116f78c80905240242n5196044bk6c4b037120b19862@mail.gmail.com> References: <116f78c80905240242n5196044bk6c4b037120b19862@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Your backtrace has a lot of unrecognised symbols. You need to install packages with debug info for the dependencies too. Caroline 2009/5/24 a fuji : > Dear BugSquad members, > > Hello, I'm afujihara and I've recently started triaging bugs. > > The bug I'd like to triage now is something related with a graph > drawing software "tulip." > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tulip/+bug/230368 > As you can see the link and the comments added by me, > I completely reproduced this bug on my PC. So, I change the status > to "confirmed" judging by Bug/Status wiki > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status . > Is what I do correct? > > I've also finished collecting strace and backtrace and uploaded the result > to launchpad. > But, I don't know what I should do next to get the status triaged, and then > finally fixed. > Is there someone here who kindly help me to guide this? > > Thank you in advance. > > -- > afujihara > email: afujihara at gmail.com > > > -- > Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list > Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad > > From caroline.ford.work at googlemail.com Sun May 24 14:27:28 2009 From: caroline.ford.work at googlemail.com (Caroline Ford) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 15:27:28 +0100 Subject: Question about triaging tulip's bug #230368 In-Reply-To: <116f78c80905240242n5196044bk6c4b037120b19862@mail.gmail.com> References: <116f78c80905240242n5196044bk6c4b037120b19862@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Generally we don't assign packages to ourselves unles we are a developer. I used http://packages.ubuntu.com to look at tulip. The version in jaunty is 3.0.0~B6-2.1. It depends on qt4 (and some qt3 compatibility lib). It could be that it just can't run under qt4. Using packages.ubuntu.com karmic has 3.0.0~B6-2.1-2. The changelog says that it fixed two debian bugs: tulip (3.1.2-2) unstable; urgency=low * Fixed install target to cope with arch-dep-only builds (Closes: #526968). * Rename all manpages to .3tlp to avoid conflicting with various other pacakges (Closes: #526951). -- Yann Dirson Mon, 04 May 2009 21:43:57 +0200 Ooh! Are these bugs our bug? The equivalent for Debian is http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages. I search for tulip in Debian unstable. The latest in Debian testing and unstable is 3.1.2-2. Debian bug #526968 is a MIPS bug about building and doesn't affect us. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=526968 Debian bug #526951 is about installing docs http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=526951 Doesn't look like Debian have fixed our bug (but they don't have it either?). One thing is puzzling me. If I look at Karmic packages.ubuntu.com clearly says tulip (3.0.0~B6-2.1) but the source is the later 2.1.2-2. I wonder whether the later version has failed to build.. Caroline 2009/5/24 a fuji : > Dear BugSquad members, > > Hello, I'm afujihara and I've recently started triaging bugs. > > The bug I'd like to triage now is something related with a graph > drawing software "tulip." > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tulip/+bug/230368 > As you can see the link and the comments added by me, > I completely reproduced this bug on my PC. So, I change the status > to "confirmed" judging by Bug/Status wiki > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status . > Is what I do correct? > > I've also finished collecting strace and backtrace and uploaded the result > to launchpad. > But, I don't know what I should do next to get the status triaged, and then > finally fixed. > Is there someone here who kindly help me to guide this? > > Thank you in advance. > > -- > afujihara > email: afujihara at gmail.com > > > -- > Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list > Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad > > From caroline.ford.work at googlemail.com Sun May 24 14:44:15 2009 From: caroline.ford.work at googlemail.com (Caroline Ford) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 15:44:15 +0100 Subject: Question about triaging tulip's bug #230368 In-Reply-To: <116f78c80905240242n5196044bk6c4b037120b19862@mail.gmail.com> References: <116f78c80905240242n5196044bk6c4b037120b19862@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Tulip bug continued.. Go back to launchpad. List all tulip bugs. Clicking 'Overview' gets you here: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tulip Clicking 3.1.2-2 gets you here https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/tulip/3.1.2-2 Looking at the right we can see that tulip failed to build from source (FTBFS) in karmic in all architectures. Drat! We can't see if the later version will fix our bug if it doesn't build! Launchpad tells me this is the buildlog: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26998674/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.tulip_3.1.2-2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz Open the buildlog. The interesting bit will be at the end but I generally skim it anyway to see if anything else jumps out at me. There was a complaint that it couldn't find a dependency and won't make the pdf documentation. This may need fixing but isn't our bug. The end of the buildlog says: g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../../../../library/tulip-ogl/src -I../../.. -I../../../../library/tulip-ogl/include -D_REENTRANT -I/usr/include -I../../../../library/tulip/include -I../../../../library/tulip/include/tulip -I../../../library/tulip/include -I../../../library/tulip/include/tulip -I/usr/include/GL -I../../../../thirdparty/ftgl -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/libxml2 -DSTATS_UI -DNDEBUG -O3 -funroll-loops -pipe -MT GlFeedBackRecorder.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/GlFeedBackRecorder.Tpo -c ../../../../library/tulip-ogl/src/GlFeedBackRecorder.cpp -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/GlFeedBackRecorder.o ../../../../library/tulip-ogl/src/GlFeedBackRecorder.cpp: In member function 'void tlp::GlFeedBackRecorder::sortAndRecord(GLint, GLfloat*)': ../../../../library/tulip-ogl/src/GlFeedBackRecorder.cpp:83: error: 'printf' was not declared in this scope ../../../../library/tulip-ogl/src/GlFeedBackRecorder.cpp: In member function 'GLfloat* tlp::GlFeedBackRecorder::recordPrimitive(GLfloat*)': ../../../../library/tulip-ogl/src/GlFeedBackRecorder.cpp:198: error: 'printf' was not declared in this scope make[5]: *** [GlFeedBackRecorder.lo] Error 1 make[5]: Leaving directory `/build/buildd/tulip-3.1.2/BUILD/library/tulip-ogl/src' make[4]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[4]: Leaving directory `/build/buildd/tulip-3.1.2/BUILD/library/tulip-ogl' make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/build/buildd/tulip-3.1.2/BUILD/library' make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/build/buildd/tulip-3.1.2/BUILD' make[1]: *** [all] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/build/buildd/tulip-3.1.2/BUILD' make: *** [/build/buildd/tulip-3.1.2/stamps/build] Error 2 dpkg-buildpackage: failure: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2 ****************************************************************************** Build finished at 20090521-0249 FAILED [dpkg-buildpackage died] Eew. New bug I think. Why does it build in Debian but not Ubuntu? Newer versions of dependencies? When I file this bug I will then look at the versions of libraries in Ubuntu and Debian to see if it identifies a possible problem.. We don't really 'fix' bugs in Ubuntu universe, we find fixes in other places, test them and import them. I hope this has helped. There are probably other approaches but I always look for updated packages first. Caroline From ma634 at hotmail.com Sun May 31 15:17:27 2009 From: ma634 at hotmail.com (M R) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 11:17:27 -0400 Subject: problem Message-ID: I have encounter a problem with using the ati driver. I have enabled the drivers and have encounter a problem. as soon as I enable the drivers it makes my screen flickers like crazy. unable to change the settings afterward. had to reinstall ubuntu 9.04 to resolve the problem. I am prompt to enable the ati driver once ubuntu is started. I say no since the screen works without it. maybe I would not benefit from all of the 2d and 3d power of my ati hd 4870 pcie. it is manufacture by ati and I have the diamond cd that came in the box. no linux driver on the cd. it must be a compatiblity issue. here are my system specs. motherboard P5q-em it also has onboard video,lan,sound, cpu is a Q9550 2.8ghz quad core, ram ddr2, 4gigs corsair dominator 1066mhz running by default at 800mhz, philips dvd burner, 250 gigs of hardrive sata2 seagate. I am using the whole hard drive just for ubuntu. good old dell crt monitor. the problem is with the video drivers that are promtp after installing and starting ubuntu for the first time. it makes the screen unbarable or not able to look at it since it goes into a flcikering mode like crazy. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live helps you keep up with all your friends, in one place. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9660826 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: