From dereck at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 04:47:06 2008 From: dereck at gmail.com (Dereck Wonnacott) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 00:47:06 -0400 Subject: Hug Day!! Message-ID: <48BCC54A.3050602@gmail.com> Fellow Ubuntu Lovers! Its me again, giving your spam filters the slip, and you know what that means, this week's HUG DAY! This week's target is *drum roll please* Rhythmbox, Totem, and gstreamer! * 46 New bugs need a hug * 29 Confirmed bugs just need a review Bookmark it, add it to your calenders, turn over your egg-timers! * Thursday September 5th * http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080905 Can't stress it enough: everyone can help! * BLOG IT! * Member of bug control? I think you know what to do. *poke* * If you're new to all this, head to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs Make a difference: Join the Hug Day on Thursday. We will be in #ubuntu-bugs (FreeNode) all day and night, and will be ready to answer your questions about how to help. My handle is Awsoonn so please say hi! Have a awesome day, Dereck Wonnacott (from the BugSquad) From pedro at ubuntu.com Tue Sep 2 23:45:43 2008 From: pedro at ubuntu.com (Pedro Villavicencio Garrido) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 19:45:43 -0400 Subject: Meeting reminder - Wednesday 03 Sep 2008 Message-ID: <48BDD027.8090503@ubuntu.com> Hello folks, The Wednesday 03 of September we're going to have our next Ubuntu QA Team Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting at 1700 UTC. As always the agenda for the meeting will be up shortly at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings Please feel free to add items you want to discuss during it. Have a nice day, pedro. From dragos240 at hotmail.com Wed Sep 3 23:09:15 2008 From: dragos240 at hotmail.com (Horold Hunt) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:09:15 -0400 Subject: Can i join? Message-ID: Hey, i always liked to find bugs and abuse them in game but couldn't find any helpful way to do it, so i found ubuntu about 2 months ago, i want to find bugs in ubuntu, and other things that are bug filled. I want to be a helpfull member and i want to know where to start. Thanks, yours truely, a member of the ubuntuforums, and user of hardy heron, Dragos240 _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chrisccoulson at googlemail.com Thu Sep 4 07:25:58 2008 From: chrisccoulson at googlemail.com (Chris Coulson) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:25:58 +0100 Subject: Can i join? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <383a17600809040025x141618e1qffed8a692c5c3632@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/4 Horold Hunt > Hey, i always liked to find bugs and abuse them in game but couldn't find > any helpful way to do it, so i found ubuntu about 2 months ago, i want to > find bugs in ubuntu, and other things that are bug filled. I want to be a > helpfull member and i want to know where to start. Thanks, yours truely, a > member of the ubuntuforums, and user of hardy heron, > Dragos240 > > ------------------------------ > Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows > Live. See Now > > -- > Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list > Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad > > Harold, Thank you for your interest, and may I be the first to welcome you aboard. If you want help triaging bug reports (and maybe helping fix bugs), then please have a look at the following two links, which are a good starting point: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/ (and in particular: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/KnowledgeBase ) If you are interested in testing Ubuntu and reporting bugs that you find, then please have a look at the following link as a starting point: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs You can also find many members of the Bugsquad team in the #ubuntu-bugs channel on irc.freenode.net. Feel free to pop along and ask any question related to bug triaging. Good luck Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daradib at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 21:42:09 2008 From: daradib at gmail.com (Dara Adib) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:42:09 -0400 Subject: Hug Day!! In-Reply-To: <48BCC54A.3050602@gmail.com> References: <48BCC54A.3050602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9f2cfa420809041442t726a2df3vdfdd984cf7d99889@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 12:47 AM, Dereck Wonnacott wrote: > Its me again, giving your spam filters the slip, and you know what that > means, this week's HUG DAY! > > Bookmark it, add it to your calenders, turn over your egg-timers! > * Thursday September 5th > * http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080905 I believe it is Thursday, September 4th (not 5th). The wiki needs updating then, which I will try to do. Please check to make sure I changed all of the wiki references. From pedro at ubuntu.com Fri Sep 5 14:20:40 2008 From: pedro at ubuntu.com (Pedro Villavicencio Garrido) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 10:20:40 -0400 Subject: Bugs Wiki namespace cleanup Message-ID: <48C14038.5030507@ubuntu.com> Hello folks, During the next days Jorge Castro and I will be working on the wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs namespace doing some clean up and as Jorge says "we'll make it rock!" after that the page will look similar to what the great Daniel Holbach did for the packaging guide, we're sending this to let you guys know that we're working on that in case you visit a page there and everything is changed ;-), that's all, thanks and keep on rocking! Regards, pedro. From thomas at xyz.pp.se Mon Sep 8 19:22:26 2008 From: thomas at xyz.pp.se (Thomas Novin) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 21:22:26 +0200 Subject: Question about triaging bug 153801 Message-ID: <1220901746.27495.6.camel@localhost> Hello! Bug 153801[1] isn't set to any package. I would like to change it to tvtime and mark it as confirmed but I'm unsure if that's correct. Stéphane Loeuillet is claiming on 2007-10-31 that it isn't tvtimes fault but I disagree. 1. https://launchpad.net/bugs/153801 Rgds -- Thomas Novin GPG key: http://xyz.pp.se/~thnov/gpg.asc From chrisccoulson at googlemail.com Mon Sep 8 19:39:58 2008 From: chrisccoulson at googlemail.com (Chris Coulson) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 20:39:58 +0100 Subject: Question about triaging bug 153801 In-Reply-To: <1220901746.27495.6.camel@localhost> References: <1220901746.27495.6.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1220902798.7010.10.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2008-09-08 at 21:22 +0200, Thomas Novin wrote: > Hello! > > Bug 153801[1] isn't set to any package. I would like to change it to > tvtime and mark it as confirmed but I'm unsure if that's correct. > Stéphane Loeuillet is claiming on 2007-10-31 that it isn't tvtimes fault > but I disagree. > > 1. https://launchpad.net/bugs/153801 > > Rgds > > > -- > Thomas Novin > GPG key: http://xyz.pp.se/~thnov/gpg.asc > > That's debatable really. It isn't the fault of tvtime that /dev/video0 doesn't exist, but you could say that the default device for tvtime should be changed from /dev/video0 if we know that the device never exists. (I don't know anything about tvtime so please forgive me if I'm talking rubbish!) After looking at Ubuntu's udev rules, it does seem that DVB devices are given device nodes under /dev/dvb/adapter?/? (it's defined in /etc/udev/rules.d/20-names.rules in this section): # Video devices, group dvb devices under /dev/dvb SUBSYSTEM!="dvb", GOTO="dvb_end" IMPORT{program}="dvb_device_name --export %k" ENV{DVB_ADAPTER}=="?*", ENV{DVB_DEV}=="?*", \ NAME="dvb/adapter$env{DVB_ADAPTER}/$env{DVB_NAME}" LABEL="dvb_end" So maybe it should be a tvtime bug to change the default? The problem would be defining the default though. Maybe someone with more knowledge of this application could comment. I'd also suggest popping in to #ubuntu-bugs on irc.freenode.net as you might get a quicker response. Thanks Chris Coulson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm there and I asked this question but noone answered. Rgds -- Thomas Novin GPG key: http://xyz.pp.se/~thnov/gpg.asc From brian at ubuntu.com Tue Sep 9 20:08:12 2008 From: brian at ubuntu.com (Brian Murray) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 13:08:12 -0700 Subject: Ubuntu Bug Day - 11 September 2008 Message-ID: <20080909200812.GL22725@murraytwins.com> There seem to be quite a few Confirmed bug reports that don't have a package assigned to them and these will be the target of the next hug day on Thursday, September 11th. Ideally the number of these bugs should be zero but at the moment we'll focus on driving the number down from its current level of about 230. We'll do this by assigning bugs to packages in addition to following up with reports, documenting test cases, confirming bug reports and testing to see if the bug still exists in Intrepid. The event will be held in #ubuntu-bugs on Freenode. The list of targeted bugs and tasks is posted at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080911 Our goal is to deal with all of the bugs on that wiki page. So on 11 September 2008, in all timezones, we'll be meeting in #ubuntu-bugs on irc.freenode.net for another Ubuntu Hug Day. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay If you're interested in helping to make the next release of Ubuntu even better - please stop by. And feel free to ask bdmurray, ogasawara, pedro, jamesw and the rest of the team for ways to help out. We hope to see you there and your name on the list of bug triagers! Sincerely, -- Brian Murray @ubuntu.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From karl at kgoetz.id.au Wed Sep 10 08:11:37 2008 From: karl at kgoetz.id.au (Karl Goetz) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:41:37 +0930 Subject: boilerplate messages in bugs Message-ID: <1221034297.28376.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> hi bug people, I'm writing [1] about an experiance I've just had with a 'boilerplate paster' and a number of bug reports i was subscribed too. ( [2,3,4,5], all are filed againt the kernel package. ) These all had the same message pasted into them [6], which on the surface is fair enough, but the bit that made this seem somewhat wasteful and gratuitious, was bug 218616 : This bug refers to a source file, the paste told me to download and test the latest intrepid kernel kernel. This isnt the first time i've seen bugs with boilerplate messages pasted into them (i dont have any handy though sorry). I'm wondering if theres something that can be done to reduce the amount of 'senseless' pasting of boilerplates - where its relevent (eg, does this modem work?) i think its acceptable. Where following the advice will make it harder to find out (bcause the compiled source doesnt display the copyright notice), its counter productive. kk. [1] Was advised on IRC to post to this list about it. [2] https://launchpad.net/bugs/223175 [3] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218616 [4] https://launchpad.net/bugs/76347 [5] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/100031 [6] The Ubuntu Kernel Team is planning to move to the 2.6.27 kernel for the upcoming Intrepid Ibex 8.10 release. As a result, the kernel team would appreciate it if you could please test this newer 2.6.27 Ubuntu kernel. There are one of two ways you should be able to test: 1) If you are comfortable installing packages on your own, the linux-image-2.6.27-* package is currently available for you to install and test. --or-- 2) The upcoming Alpha5 for Intrepid Ibex 8.10 will contain this newer 2.6.27 Ubuntu kernel. Alpha5 is set to be released Thursday Sept 4. Please watch http://www.ubuntu.com/testing for Alpha5 to be announced. You should then be able to test via a LiveCD. Please let us know immediately if this newer 2.6.27 kernel resolves the bug reported here or if the issue remains. More importantly, please open a new bug report for each new bug/regression introduced by the 2.6.27 kernel and tag the bug report with 'linux-2.6.27'. Also, please specifically note if the issue does or does not appear in the 2.6.26 kernel. Thanks again, we really appreicate your help and feedback. -- Karl Goetz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From leann.ogasawara at canonical.com Wed Sep 10 16:32:57 2008 From: leann.ogasawara at canonical.com (Leann Ogasawara) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:32:57 -0700 Subject: boilerplate messages in bugs In-Reply-To: <1221034297.28376.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1221034297.28376.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1221064377.17787.62.camel@emiko> On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 17:41 +0930, Karl Goetz wrote: > hi bug people, Hi Karl, > I'm writing [1] about an experiance I've just had with a 'boilerplate > paster' and a number of bug reports i was subscribed too. ( [2,3,4,5], > all are filed againt the kernel package. ) Thanks for sending this to the list. I was responsible for sending out the 2.6.27 call for testing on behalf of the kernel team so I'll try to respond as best I can. The kernel team collectively decided to *try* moving to the 2.6.27 kernel based on the fact that the 2.6.26 kernel was going to be inadequate for the Intrepid Ibex 8.10 release [A]. A final decision to stick with the 2.6.27 kernel will be made this week. A major factor preventing the transition to the 2.6.27 kernel would be any showstopping regressions or critical bugs caused by the 2.6.27 kernel. For this reason, the kernel team needed as much feedback regarding the 2.6.27 kernel as quickly as possible. This is the reason the call for testing was sent out to all open kernel bug reports. Given the volume of open kernel bugs [B], it would have been inefficient to manually read through each kernel bug report and post the call for testing. It was bound to happen that the automated response would not read well with every bug report, so for that I apologize. However, sending out the automated call for testing was a necessary action given the time constraint the kernel team has for making a decision regarding 2.6.27. > These all had the same message pasted into them [6], which on the > surface is fair enough, but the bit that made this seem somewhat > wasteful and gratuitious, was bug 218616 : > This bug refers to a source file, the paste told me to download and > test the latest intrepid kernel kernel. > > This isnt the first time i've seen bugs with boilerplate messages pasted > into them (i dont have any handy though sorry). > I'm wondering if theres something that can be done to reduce the amount > of 'senseless' pasting of boilerplates - where its relevent (eg, does > this modem work?) i think its acceptable. You do raise a good point here. It's difficult to distinguish which bug reports should and should not receive these automated replies. I wonder if we should create a new tag in Launchpad which reporters could use to indicate they do not want to receive any such responses. Thoughts? Thanks, Leann [A] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-August/026142.html [B] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs > [1] Was advised on IRC to post to this list about it. > [2] https://launchpad.net/bugs/223175 > [3] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218616 > [4] https://launchpad.net/bugs/76347 > [5] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/100031 > [6] > The Ubuntu Kernel Team is planning to move to the 2.6.27 kernel for the > upcoming Intrepid Ibex 8.10 release. As a result, the kernel team would > appreciate it if you could please test this newer 2.6.27 Ubuntu kernel. > There are one of two ways you should be able to test: > > 1) If you are comfortable installing packages on your own, the > linux-image-2.6.27-* package is currently available for you to install > and test. > > --or-- > > 2) The upcoming Alpha5 for Intrepid Ibex 8.10 will contain this newer > 2.6.27 Ubuntu kernel. Alpha5 is set to be released Thursday Sept 4. > Please watch http://www.ubuntu.com/testing for Alpha5 to be announced. > You should then be able to test via a LiveCD. > > Please let us know immediately if this newer 2.6.27 kernel resolves the > bug reported here or if the issue remains. More importantly, please open > a new bug report for each new bug/regression introduced by the 2.6.27 > kernel and tag the bug report with 'linux-2.6.27'. Also, please > specifically note if the issue does or does not appear in the 2.6.26 > kernel. Thanks again, we really appreicate your help and feedback. > From karl at kgoetz.id.au Thu Sep 11 05:56:12 2008 From: karl at kgoetz.id.au (Karl Goetz) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:26:12 +0930 Subject: boilerplate messages in bugs In-Reply-To: <1221064377.17787.62.camel@emiko> References: <1221034297.28376.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1221064377.17787.62.camel@emiko> Message-ID: <1221112572.21340.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 09:32 -0700, Leann Ogasawara wrote: > On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 17:41 +0930, Karl Goetz wrote: > > hi bug people, > > Hi Karl, > > > I'm writing [1] about an experiance I've just had with a 'boilerplate > > paster' and a number of bug reports i was subscribed too. ( [2,3,4,5], > > all are filed againt the kernel package. ) > > Thanks for sending this to the list. I was responsible for sending out > the 2.6.27 call for testing on behalf of the kernel team so I'll try to > respond as best I can. The kernel team collectively decided to *try* > moving to the 2.6.27 kernel based on the fact that the 2.6.26 kernel was > going to be inadequate for the Intrepid Ibex 8.10 release [A]. A final Fair enough. > decision to stick with the 2.6.27 kernel will be made this week. A > major factor preventing the transition to the 2.6.27 kernel would be any > showstopping regressions or critical bugs caused by the 2.6.27 kernel. > For this reason, the kernel team needed as much feedback regarding the > 2.6.27 kernel as quickly as possible. This is the reason the call for > testing was sent out to all open kernel bug reports. Given the volume > of open kernel bugs [B], it would have been inefficient to manually read > through each kernel bug report and post the call for testing. It was > bound to happen that the automated response would not read well with > every bug report, so for that I apologize. However, sending out the > automated call for testing was a necessary action given the time > constraint the kernel team has for making a decision regarding 2.6.27. What level of automation was it? a for loop, or someone manually going and pasting into the bug reports? > > > These all had the same message pasted into them [6], which on the > > surface is fair enough, but the bit that made this seem somewhat > > wasteful and gratuitious, was bug 218616 : > > This bug refers to a source file, the paste told me to download and > > test the latest intrepid kernel kernel. > > > > This isnt the first time i've seen bugs with boilerplate messages pasted > > into them (i dont have any handy though sorry). > > I'm wondering if theres something that can be done to reduce the amount > > of 'senseless' pasting of boilerplates - where its relevent (eg, does > > this modem work?) i think its acceptable. > > You do raise a good point here. It's difficult to distinguish which bug > reports should and should not receive these automated replies. I wonder > if we should create a new tag in Launchpad which reporters could use to > indicate they do not want to receive any such responses. Thoughts? I guess it depends on the level of automation. If theres a human doing the pasting, i dont think its unreasonable to think that a bug title that refers to /path/to/foo.c would be left out of a call to test a binary kernel. If its completely automatic, then that makes it somewhat harder. I dont know how LP works for a 'hands off' level of automation (indeed, i dont know if it can at all), so i cant comment on wether it can be told to ignore some bugs in mails like that. kk > > Thanks, > Leann > > [A] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-August/026142.html > [B] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs > > > [1] Was advised on IRC to post to this list about it. > > [2] https://launchpad.net/bugs/223175 > > [3] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218616 > > [4] https://launchpad.net/bugs/76347 > > [5] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/100031 > > [6] > > The Ubuntu Kernel Team is planning to move to the 2.6.27 kernel for the > > upcoming Intrepid Ibex 8.10 release. As a result, the kernel team would > > appreciate it if you could please test this newer 2.6.27 Ubuntu kernel. > > There are one of two ways you should be able to test: -- Karl Goetz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From siretart at ubuntu.com Thu Sep 11 12:32:01 2008 From: siretart at ubuntu.com (Reinhard Tartler) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:32:01 +0200 Subject: boilerplate messages in bugs In-Reply-To: <1221064377.17787.62.camel@emiko> (Leann Ogasawara's message of "Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:32:57 -0700") References: <1221034297.28376.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1221064377.17787.62.camel@emiko> Message-ID: <878wtysw1q.fsf@faui44a.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Leann Ogasawara writes: > Thoughts? IMO, the underlying problem is that when a user takes his time to report a bug, he somewhat expect the bug to be read, understood and handeled. At least that's most probably why he has filed the bug in the first place. With the massive growth of number of bugs filed every day this is something that we ubuntu developers don't really have the manpower for. I think a bit of frustration could be avoided if content of the automatic messages we currently discuss would make it clear that the bug message was created automatically and that the bug it is filed at may or may not be looked/triaged at by anyone. Perhaps we can work on a 'meta-template' or at least on guidelines what information should be included on such messages that are 'mass-posted'. Moreover, maybe we could bribe the launchpad developers to display such 'autogenerated' submissions with some other backgroundcolor (with a link 'whats this') to make the issue clearer to the submitter. -- Gruesse/greetings, Reinhard Tartler, KeyID 945348A4 From leann.ogasawara at canonical.com Thu Sep 11 17:38:26 2008 From: leann.ogasawara at canonical.com (Leann Ogasawara) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:38:26 -0700 Subject: boilerplate messages in bugs In-Reply-To: <1221112572.21340.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1221034297.28376.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1221064377.17787.62.camel@emiko> <1221112572.21340.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1221154706.28260.4.camel@emiko> On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 15:26 +0930, Karl Goetz wrote: > On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 09:32 -0700, Leann Ogasawara wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 17:41 +0930, Karl Goetz wrote: [snip] > What level of automation was it? a for loop, or someone manually going > and pasting into the bug reports? It was completely automated through the use of python-launchpad-bugs. > > > This isnt the first time i've seen bugs with boilerplate messages pasted > > > into them (i dont have any handy though sorry). > > > I'm wondering if theres something that can be done to reduce the amount > > > of 'senseless' pasting of boilerplates - where its relevent (eg, does > > > this modem work?) i think its acceptable. > > > > You do raise a good point here. It's difficult to distinguish which bug > > reports should and should not receive these automated replies. I wonder > > if we should create a new tag in Launchpad which reporters could use to > > indicate they do not want to receive any such responses. Thoughts? > > I guess it depends on the level of automation. > If theres a human doing the pasting, i dont think its unreasonable to > think that a bug title that refers to /path/to/foo.c would be left out > of a call to test a binary kernel. > If its completely automatic, then that makes it somewhat harder. > I dont know how LP works for a 'hands off' level of automation (indeed, > i dont know if it can at all), so i cant comment on wether it can be > told to ignore some bugs in mails like that. Using python-launchpad-bugs we could ignore posting to bug reports which had a specific tag. Thanks, Leann From leann.ogasawara at canonical.com Thu Sep 11 19:06:38 2008 From: leann.ogasawara at canonical.com (Leann Ogasawara) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:06:38 -0700 Subject: boilerplate messages in bugs In-Reply-To: <878wtysw1q.fsf@faui44a.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <1221034297.28376.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1221064377.17787.62.camel@emiko> <878wtysw1q.fsf@faui44a.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Message-ID: <1221159998.32153.10.camel@emiko> On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 14:32 +0200, Reinhard Tartler wrote: > Leann Ogasawara writes: > > > Thoughts? > > IMO, the underlying problem is that when a user takes his time to report > a bug, he somewhat expect the bug to be read, understood and > handeled. At least that's most probably why he has filed the bug in the > first place. > > With the massive growth of number of bugs filed every day this is > something that we ubuntu developers don't really have the manpower > for. I think a bit of frustration could be avoided if content of the > automatic messages we currently discuss would make it clear that the bug > message was created automatically and that the bug it is filed at may or > may not be looked/triaged at by anyone. > > Perhaps we can work on a 'meta-template' or at least on guidelines what > information should be included on such messages that are 'mass-posted'. I think this would be good. I'll add this for discussion at the next QA team meeting as well. > Moreover, maybe we could bribe the launchpad developers to display such > 'autogenerated' submissions with some other backgroundcolor (with a link > 'whats this') to make the issue clearer to the submitter. This may be a bit more difficult to get implemented. I think if we can establish some clear guidelines/information to include as noted above that should be sufficient. Thanks, Leann From karl at kgoetz.id.au Fri Sep 12 04:28:27 2008 From: karl at kgoetz.id.au (Karl Goetz) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:58:27 +0930 Subject: boilerplate messages in bugs In-Reply-To: <1221154706.28260.4.camel@emiko> References: <1221034297.28376.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1221064377.17787.62.camel@emiko> <1221112572.21340.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1221154706.28260.4.camel@emiko> Message-ID: <1221193707.23426.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 10:38 -0700, Leann Ogasawara wrote: > On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 15:26 +0930, Karl Goetz wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 09:32 -0700, Leann Ogasawara wrote: > > > On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 17:41 +0930, Karl Goetz wrote: > [snip] > > What level of automation was it? a for loop, or someone manually going > > and pasting into the bug reports? > > It was completely automated through the use of python-launchpad-bugs. I see. > > I guess it depends on the level of automation. > > If theres a human doing the pasting, i dont think its unreasonable to > > think that a bug title that refers to /path/to/foo.c would be left out > > of a call to test a binary kernel. > > If its completely automatic, then that makes it somewhat harder. > > I dont know how LP works for a 'hands off' level of automation (indeed, > > i dont know if it can at all), so i cant comment on wether it can be > > told to ignore some bugs in mails like that. > > Using python-launchpad-bugs we could ignore posting to bug reports which > had a specific tag. Are their tags for source/binary problem? Perhaps something to indicate a bug is source related (eg, copyright issue) as oposed to binary (eg, crasher). kk > > Thanks, > Leann > -- Karl Goetz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From leann.ogasawara at canonical.com Fri Sep 12 16:53:58 2008 From: leann.ogasawara at canonical.com (Leann Ogasawara) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:53:58 -0700 Subject: boilerplate messages in bugs In-Reply-To: <1221193707.23426.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1221034297.28376.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1221064377.17787.62.camel@emiko> <1221112572.21340.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1221154706.28260.4.camel@emiko> <1221193707.23426.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1221238438.11454.10.camel@emiko> On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 13:58 +0930, Karl Goetz wrote: > On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 10:38 -0700, Leann Ogasawara wrote: > > On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 15:26 +0930, Karl Goetz wrote: > > > On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 09:32 -0700, Leann Ogasawara wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 17:41 +0930, Karl Goetz wrote: > > > I guess it depends on the level of automation. > > > If theres a human doing the pasting, i dont think its unreasonable to > > > think that a bug title that refers to /path/to/foo.c would be left out > > > of a call to test a binary kernel. > > > If its completely automatic, then that makes it somewhat harder. > > > I dont know how LP works for a 'hands off' level of automation (indeed, > > > i dont know if it can at all), so i cant comment on wether it can be > > > told to ignore some bugs in mails like that. > > > > Using python-launchpad-bugs we could ignore posting to bug reports which > > had a specific tag. > > Are their tags for source/binary problem? I don't believe tags exist for this at the moment. > Perhaps something to indicate a bug is source related (eg, copyright > issue) as oposed to binary (eg, crasher). Sure. We'd just need to come to an agreement for the tag name and then tag bug reports accordingly. I'll also raise this at the next QA meeting to get more feedback. Thanks, Leann From dereck at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 11:38:27 2008 From: dereck at gmail.com (Dereck Wonnacott) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:38:27 -0400 Subject: calling for hugday targets Message-ID: <48CE4933.3070004@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Do you have any ideas for the Ubuntu Hugday this week and in the near future? The only thing I have 'on the docket' is Transmission, just as a place holder until something better comes along really. I have a feeling there are packages that could use some good triaging before Intrepid is released, so send me your thoughts and I'll make some waves. ~Dereck -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkjOSSwACgkQMbyzSbPQbJih/gCguA54sdcl1tSFCnR80tE8/LK1 KeIAnj+695qNgEuBUHGypTl7zefn66jB =5Hfw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From chrisccoulson at googlemail.com Mon Sep 15 11:47:31 2008 From: chrisccoulson at googlemail.com (Chris Coulson) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:47:31 +0100 Subject: calling for hugday targets In-Reply-To: <48CE4933.3070004@gmail.com> References: <48CE4933.3070004@gmail.com> Message-ID: <383a17600809150447v566d2488j41d646de080b5d1@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/15 Dereck Wonnacott > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Do you have any ideas for the Ubuntu Hugday this week and in the near > future? The only thing I have 'on the docket' is Transmission, just as a > place holder until something better comes along really. > > > I have a feeling there are packages that could use some good triaging > before Intrepid is released, so send me your thoughts and I'll make some > waves. > > > ~Dereck > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkjOSSwACgkQMbyzSbPQbJih/gCguA54sdcl1tSFCnR80tE8/LK1 > KeIAnj+695qNgEuBUHGypTl7zefn66jB > =5Hfw > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list > Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad Dereck, I know that we've had a kernel hug day recently (within the last couple of months I think), but the kernel seems to be the one main thing which is drowning in bugs at the moment and so it could probably really benefit from another hug day in the near future. Cheers Chris Coulson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrooney at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 16:06:44 2008 From: mrooney at gmail.com (Mike Rooney) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:06:44 -0400 Subject: calling for hugday targets In-Reply-To: <383a17600809150447v566d2488j41d646de080b5d1@mail.gmail.com> References: <48CE4933.3070004@gmail.com> <383a17600809150447v566d2488j41d646de080b5d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4f4806ee0809150906g3c37b5b4j36c0ae8fe98e5776@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 7:47 AM, Chris Coulson wrote: > 2008/9/15 Dereck Wonnacott >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Do you have any ideas for the Ubuntu Hugday this week and in the near >> future? The only thing I have 'on the docket' is Transmission, just as a >> place holder until something better comes along really. >> >> >> I have a feeling there are packages that could use some good triaging >> before Intrepid is released, so send me your thoughts and I'll make some >> waves. >> >> >> ~Dereck >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) >> >> iEYEARECAAYFAkjOSSwACgkQMbyzSbPQbJih/gCguA54sdcl1tSFCnR80tE8/LK1 >> KeIAnj+695qNgEuBUHGypTl7zefn66jB >> =5Hfw >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list >> Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad > > > Dereck, > > I know that we've had a kernel hug day recently (within the last couple of > months I think), but the kernel seems to be the one main thing which is > drowning in bugs at the moment and so it could probably really benefit from > another hug day in the near future. > Not a bad idea, it probably could use another one. However, what about g-p-m? It plays such an important role for laptop users, and last I looked it was sort of a mess, bug wise, with duplicate bugs and plenty of Undecided/* and Undecided/New. Plus it will indirectly help work out some of the important power related kinks with the new kernel. Just a thought! Mike Rooney mrooney at gmail.com From macoafi at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 16:22:01 2008 From: macoafi at gmail.com (Mackenzie Morgan) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:22:01 -0400 Subject: calling for hugday targets In-Reply-To: <4f4806ee0809150906g3c37b5b4j36c0ae8fe98e5776@mail.gmail.com> References: <48CE4933.3070004@gmail.com> <383a17600809150447v566d2488j41d646de080b5d1@mail.gmail.com> <4f4806ee0809150906g3c37b5b4j36c0ae8fe98e5776@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1221495721.8227.25.camel@betty> On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 12:06 -0400, Mike Rooney wrote: > > Dereck, > > > > I know that we've had a kernel hug day recently (within the last couple of > > months I think), but the kernel seems to be the one main thing which is > > drowning in bugs at the moment and so it could probably really benefit from > > another hug day in the near future. > > > > > Not a bad idea, it probably could use another one. However, what about > g-p-m? It plays such an important role for laptop users, and last I > looked it was sort of a mess, bug wise, with duplicate bugs and plenty > of Undecided/* and Undecided/New. Plus it will indirectly help work > out some of the important power related kinks with the new kernel. > Just a thought! So, how about a g-p-m hug day one week and a kernel one the week after? Could we do a usability hug day? Work on confirming and marking importance (well, for Bug Control folks...) of different usability bugs? They're often bitesize bugs, but they have an impact, so tagging them as bitesize when they are could also help since it tells people just starting to help out where to look. -- Mackenzie Morgan http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com apt-get moo -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It looks like there are currently 45 bugs tagged with the "usability" tag[0]. Many of them look triaged (I'm not sure about the addition of a bitesize tag though, didn't look through them). I have no clue how to find more usability-related bugs without skimming every bug report. Thoughts on that? Greg [0] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=usability From macoafi at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 16:58:55 2008 From: macoafi at gmail.com (Mackenzie Morgan) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:58:55 -0400 Subject: calling for hugday targets In-Reply-To: <48CE8E4B.9030801@gmail.com> References: <48CE4933.3070004@gmail.com> <383a17600809150447v566d2488j41d646de080b5d1@mail.gmail.com> <4f4806ee0809150906g3c37b5b4j36c0ae8fe98e5776@mail.gmail.com> <1221495721.8227.25.camel@betty> <48CE8E4B.9030801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1221497935.8227.40.camel@betty> On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 12:33 -0400, Greg Grossmeier wrote: > Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > > Could we do a usability hug day? Work on confirming and marking > > importance (well, for Bug Control folks...) of different usability bugs? > > They're often bitesize bugs, but they have an impact, so tagging them as > > bitesize when they are could also help since it tells people just > > starting to help out where to look. > > > > > > I'm all for a usability hug day. It looks like there are currently 45 > bugs tagged with the "usability" tag[0]. Many of them look triaged (I'm > not sure about the addition of a bitesize tag though, didn't look > through them). > > I have no clue how to find more usability-related bugs without skimming > every bug report. Thoughts on that? Keyword searches for font, text, window, size, accelerator...those should bring up some. New, undecided, searching for window size http://tinyurl.com/5fkbn7 Obviously not all of them, but you can see some come up for window resizing, text sizes, maximizing... I don't think there's a search that'll bring up just un-triaged usability bugs, but we can at least narrow the scope from "look at all bugs to find usability ones" to ones that have keywords pointing that way. I didn't know there was a usability tag. Is there a complete list of tags somewhere? -- Mackenzie Morgan http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com apt-get moo -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For some reason the tinyurl isn't working, but from you description of the search that definitely sounds like a good way to narrow down the list. I guess an amalgamation of imperfect searches could at least get us closer to the goal. > > I don't think there's a search that'll bring up just un-triaged > usability bugs, but we can at least narrow the scope from "look at all > bugs to find usability ones" to ones that have keywords pointing that > way. > Definitely. > I didn't know there was a usability tag. Is there a complete list of > tags somewhere? Well, if you look at the main bug page for Ubuntu you can see every tag in use on the right hand side [0]. But the signal to noise ratio of that list is pathetic. An "official" list can be found on the Ubuntu Wiki [1] and new tags that prove useful can of course be added to it. Greg [0] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Tags From macoafi at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 17:20:39 2008 From: macoafi at gmail.com (Mackenzie Morgan) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:20:39 -0400 Subject: calling for hugday targets In-Reply-To: <48CE98B5.50705@gmail.com> References: <48CE4933.3070004@gmail.com> <383a17600809150447v566d2488j41d646de080b5d1@mail.gmail.com> <4f4806ee0809150906g3c37b5b4j36c0ae8fe98e5776@mail.gmail.com> <1221495721.8227.25.camel@betty> <48CE8E4B.9030801@gmail.com> <1221497935.8227.40.camel@betty> <48CE98B5.50705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1221499239.8227.42.camel@betty> On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 13:17 -0400, Greg Grossmeier wrote: > Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > > Keyword searches for font, text, window, size, accelerator...those > > should bring up some. > > > > New, undecided, searching for window size > > http://tinyurl.com/5fkbn7 > > Obviously not all of them, but you can see some come up for window > > resizing, text sizes, maximizing... > > For some reason the tinyurl isn't working, but from you description of > the search that definitely sounds like a good way to narrow down the > list. I guess an amalgamation of imperfect searches could at least get > us closer to the goal. > Long link incoming... https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=window +size&orderby=-importance&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.importance% 3Alist=UNDECIDED&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_supervisor=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.component-empty-marker=1&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_cve.used=&field.tag=&field.tags_combinator=ANY&field.has_no_package.used=&search=Search > Well, if you look at the main bug page for Ubuntu you can see every tag > in use on the right hand side [0]. But the signal to noise ratio of > that list is pathetic. An "official" list can be found on the Ubuntu > Wiki [1] and new tags that prove useful can of course be added to it. 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The only thing I have 'on the docket' is Transmission, just as a > >> place holder until something better comes along really. > >> > >> > >> I have a feeling there are packages that could use some good triaging > >> before Intrepid is released, so send me your thoughts and I'll make some > >> waves. > >> > >> > >> ~Dereck > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > >> > >> iEYEARECAAYFAkjOSSwACgkQMbyzSbPQbJih/gCguA54sdcl1tSFCnR80tE8/LK1 > >> KeIAnj+695qNgEuBUHGypTl7zefn66jB > >> =5Hfw > >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >> > >> -- > >> Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list > >> Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com > >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad > > > > > > Dereck, > > > > I know that we've had a kernel hug day recently (within the last couple of > > months I think), but the kernel seems to be the one main thing which is > > drowning in bugs at the moment and so it could probably really benefit from > > another hug day in the near future. > > > > > Not a bad idea, it probably could use another one. However, what about > g-p-m? It plays such an important role for laptop users, and last I > looked it was sort of a mess, bug wise, with duplicate bugs and plenty > of Undecided/* and Undecided/New. Plus it will indirectly help work > out some of the important power related kinks with the new kernel. > Just a thought! One great thing about gnome-power-manager is that it has an extensive amount of debugging documentation[0] which is helpful for a Hug Day. [0] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingGNOMEPowerManager -- Brian Murray @ubuntu.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From brian at ubuntu.com Mon Sep 15 18:20:28 2008 From: brian at ubuntu.com (Brian Murray) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:20:28 -0700 Subject: calling for hugday targets In-Reply-To: <48CE4933.3070004@gmail.com> References: <48CE4933.3070004@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080915182028.GB23995@murraytwins.com> On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 07:38:27AM -0400, Dereck Wonnacott wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Do you have any ideas for the Ubuntu Hugday this week and in the near > future? The only thing I have 'on the docket' is Transmission, just as a > place holder until something better comes along really. > > I have a feeling there are packages that could use some good triaging > before Intrepid is released, so send me your thoughts and I'll make some > waves. A really good target with with the impending release of Intrepid is update-manager which currently has about 177 bugs in a New status. Additionally, update-manager has some pretty good debugging documentation[0]. However, it might be best to wait until after Alpha 6 comes out before having a Hug Day for it. [0] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUpdateManager -- Brian Murray @ubuntu.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From greg.grossmeier at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 19:13:49 2008 From: greg.grossmeier at gmail.com (Greg Grossmeier) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:13:49 -0400 Subject: calling for hugday targets In-Reply-To: <20080915182028.GB23995@murraytwins.com> References: <48CE4933.3070004@gmail.com> <20080915182028.GB23995@murraytwins.com> Message-ID: <48CEB3ED.3050102@gmail.com> Brian Murray wrote: > A really good target with with the impending release of Intrepid is > update-manager which currently has about 177 bugs in a New status. > Additionally, update-manager has some pretty good debugging > documentation[0]. However, it might be best to wait until after Alpha 6 > comes out before having a Hug Day for it. > > [0] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUpdateManager > +1 on update-manager after Alpha6, so sept. 25th. From jorge at ubuntu.com Mon Sep 15 20:10:30 2008 From: jorge at ubuntu.com (Jorge O. Castro) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:10:30 -0400 Subject: calling for hugday targets In-Reply-To: <48CE4933.3070004@gmail.com> References: <48CE4933.3070004@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080915201029.GD8480@cooler> On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 07:38:27AM -0400, Dereck Wonnacott wrote: > I have a feeling there are packages that could use some good triaging > before Intrepid is released, so send me your thoughts and I'll make some > waves. I would like to throw out some ideas that would help in our upstream bug linkages since you're looking for targets. Graham and I have been working on this report: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+upstreamreport which shows the top 100 projects in Ubuntu sorted by open bugs. It also has the added benefit of showing us what percentage of those open bugs are in a triaged state, how many are marked as upstream, and how many of those have real bug watches. As you can see there is room for improvement, for example: I love to see people use this report to find packages that have very poor upstream linkages and using that as a basis for hug days. (The columns with the delta symbol are possible targets). So for example near the bottom if you look at "virt-manager", it has 74 open bugs, of which _0_ are marked as being upstream. That means that we have 74 open bugs on a product where no one has bothered to open an upstream task. This isn't something to be proud of! Clicking on the 74 in the 2nd delta column will show you these bugs, from here people can open upstream tasks and start linking bugs, which will improve things. If you look on that column you won't find very impressive numbers, the total says %17.20. Thankfully, when we DO find a bug that is upstream we do a good job linking it (%92.29) Please note that this report is still being developed - once a few changes land soonish I will put together proper documentation on the wiki to explain the columns, make announcements on lists, etc. but there's no reason you couldn't start using it now to find projects that obviously stick out. Anything below 50% on the Upstream column could be a possible hug day, and since the list is by open bug count, driving a product off this list by resolving bugs is a good thing. :) Note: Lots of the single percentage and 0's on the list are things that we are upstream for and shouldn't be on this list anyway - that will be fixed soon. -- Jorge Castro jorge (at) ubuntu.com External Project Developer Relations Canonical Ltd. From pedro at ubuntu.com Tue Sep 16 23:58:01 2008 From: pedro at ubuntu.com (Pedro Villavicencio Garrido) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:58:01 -0400 Subject: Meeting reminder - Wednesday 17 Sep 2008 Message-ID: <48D04809.3090007@ubuntu.com> Hello folks, The Wednesday 17 of September we're going to have our next Ubuntu QA Team Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting at 1700 UTC. As always the agenda for the meeting will be up shortly at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings Please feel free to add items you want to discuss during it. Have a nice day, pedro. From nullack at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 04:36:43 2008 From: nullack at gmail.com (Null Ack) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:36:43 +1000 Subject: Raising Awareness of Bugs Message-ID: <40ef7d130809162136i35a1629ahc9d5052036b575f6@mail.gmail.com> Gday everyone, Recently the issue of the QA Team's Status Report at the Release Team Meetings came up. Today I spoke with our bug master Brian on how bug squaders and QA people can most effectively raise awareness of bugs to release targets. What he would like to see is: * As soon as a bug is identified that is not currently milestoned and could be considered important to rectify against a particular release target, please send an email to the bug squad mailing list about it. Please note, that being milestoned does not include the bug being nominated for Intrepid for example, the milestone field is far across to the right of the screen in Launchpad. It was noted that the ability in Launchpad to nominate for a release is not currently an optimal process for raising awareness of these types of bugs. Bug Control members have a different process they use. Thanks Nullack From dereck at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 04:49:54 2008 From: dereck at gmail.com (Dereck Wonnacott) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 00:49:54 -0400 Subject: Kernel Hug Day!! Message-ID: <48D08C72.20208@gmail.com> Fellow Ubuntu Lovers! Its me again, giving your spam filters the slip, and you know what that means, this week's HUG DAY! This week's target is *drum roll please* The Linux Kernel! * 67 New bugs need a hug * Over 500 new bugs are in the queue on launchpad Bookmark it, add it to your calenders, turn over your egg-timers! * Thursday September 18th * http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080918 Can't stress it enough: everyone can help! * BLOG IT! * Wiki-gnome? Add debugging info and stock responses to the wiki page * Member of bug control? I think you know what to do. *poke* * If you're new to all this, head to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs Make a difference! Join the Hug Day this Thursday. We will be in #ubuntu-bugs (FreeNode) all day and night, ready to answer your questions about how to help. My handle is Awsoonn so please say hi! Have a awesome day, Dereck Wonnacott (from the BugSquad) From hobbsee at ubuntu.com Thu Sep 18 02:05:43 2008 From: hobbsee at ubuntu.com (Sarah Hobbs) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:05:43 +1000 Subject: ISO Testing, in the next 16 hours. Message-ID: <48D1B777.3020205@ubuntu.com> Hey all, If you have any spare time, and feel like testing Ubuntu, the Ubuntu Release Team would appreciate more testers for the Intrepid Ibex Alpha 6 ISOs. The standard warnings about how it might kill your hard drive, etc, might apply - but no one's found them this far. These images should be good to go, and have no known release critical bugs. The information, and downloads are at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/. There are links down the side of the page, showing other flavours, which also need testing. If you want to discuss this on irc, please do so in #ubuntu-testing on irc.ubuntu.com, or #ubuntu-bugs. Thanks, Hobbsee -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From leann.ogasawara at canonical.com Fri Sep 19 17:59:03 2008 From: leann.ogasawara at canonical.com (Leann Ogasawara) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:59:03 -0700 Subject: boilerplate messages in bugs In-Reply-To: <1221159998.32153.10.camel@emiko> References: <1221034297.28376.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1221064377.17787.62.camel@emiko> <878wtysw1q.fsf@faui44a.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <1221159998.32153.10.camel@emiko> Message-ID: <1221847143.31948.2.camel@emiko> On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 12:06 -0700, Leann Ogasawara wrote: > On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 14:32 +0200, Reinhard Tartler wrote: > > Leann Ogasawara writes: > > > > > Thoughts? > > > > IMO, the underlying problem is that when a user takes his time to report > > a bug, he somewhat expect the bug to be read, understood and > > handeled. At least that's most probably why he has filed the bug in the > > first place. > > > > With the massive growth of number of bugs filed every day this is > > something that we ubuntu developers don't really have the manpower > > for. I think a bit of frustration could be avoided if content of the > > automatic messages we currently discuss would make it clear that the bug > > message was created automatically and that the bug it is filed at may or > > may not be looked/triaged at by anyone. > > > > Perhaps we can work on a 'meta-template' or at least on guidelines what > > information should be included on such messages that are 'mass-posted'. > > I think this would be good. I'll add this for discussion at the next QA > team meeting as well. It was decided at the last meeting to begin documenting a guideline which automated responses to bug reports should adhere to. I've started an initial rough draft here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/AutomatedResponses Please feel free to edit and improve. Thanks, Leann From macoafi at gmail.com Sat Sep 20 00:09:04 2008 From: macoafi at gmail.com (Mackenzie Morgan) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:09:04 +0000 Subject: New tag: a11y Message-ID: <1221869344.8709.33.camel@betty> I've just added a11y to the tags page. A11y is the abbreviation for accessibility (count the letters..if you saw how many times I mistyped that, you'd get why it's abbreviated) and should be used to mark accessibility related bugs. Accessibility and usability are closely related, but they're not the same. As a guideline: Usability is for issues which affect all users, such as confusing or difficult interfaces, or interfaces that could use some tweaking. Windows that don't fit at certain resolutions and cannot be resized also qualify. Accessibility issues generally make using a computer very difficult for a subset of users, such as problems with onscreen keyboard, contrast, and text-to-speech. -- Mackenzie Morgan http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com apt-get moo -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From siretart at ubuntu.com Fri Sep 19 18:39:23 2008 From: siretart at ubuntu.com (Reinhard Tartler) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:39:23 +0200 Subject: boilerplate messages in bugs In-Reply-To: <1221847143.31948.2.camel@emiko> (Leann Ogasawara's message of "Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:59:03 -0700") References: <1221034297.28376.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1221064377.17787.62.camel@emiko> <878wtysw1q.fsf@faui44a.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <1221159998.32153.10.camel@emiko> <1221847143.31948.2.camel@emiko> Message-ID: <874p4chtes.fsf@faui44a.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Leann Ogasawara writes: > It was decided at the last meeting to begin documenting a guideline > which automated responses to bug reports should adhere to. I've started > an initial rough draft here: > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/AutomatedResponses Excellent! Thanks for considering! -- Gruesse/greetings, Reinhard Tartler, KeyID 945348A4 From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Mon Sep 22 13:10:23 2008 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 07:10:23 -0600 Subject: Xubuntu HugDay Message-ID: <20080922071023.aa3e92cf.cjk@teamcharliesangels.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 We are organizing the first Xubuntu Hug Day and want a little help. Since we would like as much participation as possible, we are looking at a full day, possibly September 26 or 27. The HugDay is a special day where the Xubuntu Community comes together with a shared goal of triaging as many bugs as possible. Working together allows us to share knowledge and give some much needed assistance to both the Xubuntu and Upstream Developers. Since many of the bugs are forwarded upstream, this should be as beneficial to Xfce and Debian development as to Xubuntu Development. The term HugDay is a spin on BugDay. Every time someone triages a bug, then someone else should hug him/her. Why? This is a very special way for us to tell everyone that we love contributions! And triaging bugs is a really big contribution. To maximize our efforts, we would like to ask for developers to volunteer to be around to offer their expertise, assist, and participate in the fun. What would be the best date and times for you? Can we count on your help to make this happen? Thanks in advance for any time you can help with. We know how busy everybody is at this time. Please cc cjk at teamcharliesangels.com in your response, since I am not on all the mailing lists. Charlie Kravetz Xubuntu HugDay coordinator Jannis Pohlmann Xubuntu Xfce Liaison Michael Casadevall Xubuntu Debian Liaison -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFI15lH535p7ZS+ALgRAm1fAJ49Fbp9YdaavfYQAnf3kwei5NqT9gCdHlRM q9w8Kd0uavTdsu2weked05c= =7r/E -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From brian at ubuntu.com Mon Sep 22 18:51:19 2008 From: brian at ubuntu.com (Brian Murray) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:51:19 -0700 Subject: New bug report - no package w/ attachments Message-ID: <20080922185119.GF24379@murraytwins.com> I've created a new bug report[0] that identifies bugs that have attachments in the pile of bugs without a package. My thought was that this might provide hints as to which package a particular bug belongs. The report is updated daily and of course feedback is always welcome! [0] http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/reports/no-package-attachments.html -- Brian Murray @ubuntu.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From nailor at devzero.de Mon Sep 22 20:23:59 2008 From: nailor at devzero.de (Michael Nagel) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 22:23:59 +0200 Subject: who to deal with this (unreproducible) bug Message-ID: <48D7FEDF.1030908@devzero.de> Hey there, Shannon Jacobs is having some kind of problem with his Ubuntu laptop. He seems really wanting to get some help; but I do not know how to help him, because I cannot reproduce his problem and he cannot deterministically, either. What do you suggest to do? Regards, Michael PS: link: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/159594 From wolfger at gmail.com Mon Sep 22 21:55:42 2008 From: wolfger at gmail.com (Wolfger) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:55:42 -0400 Subject: New bug report - no package w/ attachments In-Reply-To: <20080922185119.GF24379@murraytwins.com> References: <20080922185119.GF24379@murraytwins.com> Message-ID: <3b00b3330809221455r38eace9eye1038119f3c0c8b6@mail.gmail.com> Nice idea! Looks like updating once per day may not be ideal, though. Would be nice if it was update more often (or if it could be an on-demand search query. My initial trial of this immediately led me to bugs other people had already assigned packages to (presumably using this tool) On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Brian Murray wrote: > I've created a new bug report[0] that identifies bugs that have > attachments in the pile of bugs without a package. My thought was that > this might provide hints as to which package a particular bug belongs. > The report is updated daily and of course feedback is always welcome! > > [0] http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/reports/no-package-attachments.html > > -- > Brian Murray @ubuntu.com > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkjX6ScACgkQDTAwc5ER+zU6HwCg4rJucWii+6WCzQnWbwDuKyLZ > 618Anj8t+R/mGvsNpAo7d8qL6tMWfKYh > =Fad8 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list > Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad > > -- Wolfger http://wolfger.wordpress.com/ The world is a mess, and I just... need to rule it. From mrooney at gmail.com Mon Sep 22 23:01:55 2008 From: mrooney at gmail.com (Mike Rooney) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 19:01:55 -0400 Subject: New bug report - no package w/ attachments In-Reply-To: <3b00b3330809221455r38eace9eye1038119f3c0c8b6@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080922185119.GF24379@murraytwins.com> <3b00b3330809221455r38eace9eye1038119f3c0c8b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4f4806ee0809221601i3d2a3f9bp48714a2d93f7754e@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Wolfger wrote: > Nice idea! Looks like updating once per day may not be ideal, though. > Would be nice if it was update more often (or if it could be an > on-demand search query. My initial trial of this immediately led me to > bugs other people had already assigned packages to (presumably using > this tool) I noticed this too but that is most likely because it was just announced by Brian today. In the future when there isn't a rush to such a resource, daily would probably be fine. For now just try scrolling to a random position instead of starting from the top (or bottom). However Brian, have you considered or are you logging the counts each fetch iteration to graph such things? Making something like this visible on the page could be neat to get a visible feedback on progress, like the bug count QA package graphs. Mike Rooney mrooney at gmail.com From nullack at gmail.com Tue Sep 23 03:16:45 2008 From: nullack at gmail.com (Null Ack) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:16:45 +1000 Subject: who to deal with this (unreproducible) bug In-Reply-To: <48D7FEDF.1030908@devzero.de> References: <48D7FEDF.1030908@devzero.de> Message-ID: <40ef7d130809222016la790da7jf70e272350e673f5@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/23 Michael Nagel : > Hey there, > > Shannon Jacobs is having some kind of problem with his Ubuntu laptop. He seems really wanting to get some help; but I do not know how to help him, because I cannot reproduce his problem and he cannot deterministically, either. What do you suggest to do? > > Regards, > Michael > > PS: link: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/159594 > > -- > Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list > Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad > Hi Michael :) Firstly, I would not rule out the possibility of his hardware being problematic. IMHO he should run a full complex pass of memtest and also a stress testing application for the CPU / CACHE and GPU. If his hardware proves itself to be reliable under stress tests, I would suggest he considers a clean, fresh install of the latest Hardy point release and see if the problem still replicates itself. If it does, steps to replicate the problem need to be narrowed down. From lucas at lucas-nussbaum.net Tue Sep 23 05:43:05 2008 From: lucas at lucas-nussbaum.net (Lucas Nussbaum) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:43:05 +0200 Subject: New bug report - no package w/ attachments In-Reply-To: <20080922185119.GF24379@murraytwins.com> References: <20080922185119.GF24379@murraytwins.com> Message-ID: <20080923054305.GA22049@xanadu.blop.info> On 22/09/08 at 11:51 -0700, Brian Murray wrote: > I've created a new bug report[0] that identifies bugs that have > attachments in the pile of bugs without a package. My thought was that > this might provide hints as to which package a particular bug belongs. > The report is updated daily and of course feedback is always welcome! Hi Brian, Have you heard about the Ultimate Debian Database project? The goal is to import data about Debian from various sources into an SQL DB, so the data can be datamined/combined to expose interesting information. We are already importing data about Ubuntu (Sources/Packages files, popcon score, all launchpad bugs affecting Ubuntu). It might be interesting for you to consider using UDD for your reports, as an SQL DB is likely to allow faster and more complex queries. It wouldn't work for this specific query as we don't store any information about bug attachments currently, but this could be changed easily (we were mainly interested in having the number of open bugs for each source package). -- | Lucas Nussbaum | lucas at lucas-nussbaum.net http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/ | | jabber: lucas at nussbaum.fr GPG: 1024D/023B3F4F | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From leann.ogasawara at canonical.com Wed Sep 24 01:22:39 2008 From: leann.ogasawara at canonical.com (Leann Ogasawara) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:22:39 -0700 Subject: Serious e1000e driver issue on Intrepid Message-ID: <1222219359.8839.71.camel@emiko> Hi Everyone, Since the Bugsquad has a great deal of interaction with bug reporters I wanted to share the following information with you regarding the e1000e driver issue that's been reported both upstream and in Launchpad [1,2]. If you come across any Launchpad bug reports which could suffer from this bug, please inform the bug reporter/subscribers of the situation [3]. I'll paste the Launchpad bug description below: "In some circumstances it appears possible for the 2.6.27-rc kernels to corrupt the NVRAM used by some Intel network parts to store data such as MAC addresses. This is limited to the new e1000e driver, and reports have only appeared from users of "82566 and 82567 based LAN parts (ich8 and ich9)" (to quote Intel). The reports seem to be isolated to laptops, but it is not clear if this is because desktop/server parts are not vulnerable, or if use cases simply increase the chances of laptop users being hit. Once this corruption has occurred, recovery may be possible via a BIOS update, but may well require replacement of the hardware. Use of Intel's IABUTIL.EXE is strongly discouraged, as it will worsen the problem to the point where the network part will no longer appear on the PCI bus." Both Intel and the Ubuntu kernel team are actively addressing this issue. The kernel team will also be providing an updated kernel with this e1000e driver removed until a fix is incorporated. Precautionary notices are also being posted [4]. bdmuarry and myself have additionally grepped existing kernel bug reports searching for comments, descriptions, and attachments (ie lspci output) containing "e1000e", "82566", or "82567" and have notified the bug reporter/subscribers of the issue. If you come across a new bug report or one that we may have missed, please pass along this information. Thanks, Leann [1] https://http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11382 [2] bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/263555 [3] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/221164/comments/7 [4] http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha6 From dereck at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 16:49:00 2008 From: dereck at gmail.com (Dereck) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:49:00 -0400 Subject: update-manager Hugday Message-ID: <2d8148cd0809240949s2c835a63xb446c4c0700145c5@mail.gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Fellow Ubuntu Lovers! This week's HugDay target is *drum roll please* update-manager! * 158 New bugs need a hug * 104 Confirmed bugs just need a review This is a very important hug day, first Intrepid Beta is about to be released an d with is will no doubt be a surge of curious users ready to try out the new bet a, lets try to give them a good run! Bookmark it, add it to your calenders, turn over those egg-timers! * Thursday September 25th * http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080925 Can't stress it enough: everyone can help! BLOG IT! Especially those on the Planet! There are people who want to help but don't know how and sit on the sidelines of the blog-o-sphere reading; I need your help to get those eyes from blogs to bugs. Let us combine blog-powers to educate, "Bug work is a fun way to get involved!" I think the best effect will be if we coordinate together in our blogs: * Publish about the upcoming Hug Days to get everyone excited. * Hug some bugs and add yourself to the HugDay's wiki for your readers! Make a difference: We will be in #ubuntu-bugs (FreeNode) all day and night, and will be ready to answer your questions about how to help. If you're new to all this, head to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs Have an awesome day, ~Dereck (from the BugSquad) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkjabzkACgkQMbyzSbPQbJgrngCg18Lj1MmVnFJ3KCMbg+4aU/g3 gagAoJcg4dL1UwMKscZblpip1AQ1DstV =reJV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ubucrates at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 02:19:21 2008 From: ubucrates at gmail.com (ubucrates) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:19:21 -0700 Subject: subscribe Message-ID: <48DAF529.2040407@gmail.com> I'm interested in joining the group. From thomas at xyz.pp.se Thu Sep 25 19:18:31 2008 From: thomas at xyz.pp.se (Thomas Novin) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 21:18:31 +0200 Subject: Regression in NM concerning vpnc-plugin and saved passwords Message-ID: <1222370311.9301.1.camel@localhost> Hello I have created bug #262191[1]. I think this is a quite serious regression in the usability of the vpnc service in Network Manager. Looking at the mail Steve Langasek sent out yesterday I can see that this bug is not included in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+bugs. What can I do to get this ball rolling? I have added the tag regression-potential. Should I confirm it and create a bug upstream? 1. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/262191 Rgds -- Thomas Novin GPG key: http://xyz.pp.se/~thnov/gpg.asc From brian at ubuntu.com Thu Sep 25 21:31:19 2008 From: brian at ubuntu.com (Brian Murray) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:31:19 -0700 Subject: Bug Triaging Message-ID: <20080925213119.GD8671@murraytwins.com> I've recently noticed a lot of activity from new bug triagers and this is fantastic! Every little bit that we do to improve the quality of bug reports is a tremendous help to Ubuntu, its users and its developers. So, thank you all for your assistance. Bug triaging can be a very complicated process and occasionally mistakes are made. Over my time working on Ubuntu I'm certain I've made a few. More of these have been brought to my attention in the past couple of days and as a result, I'd like to share what I personally strive to do when working on bug reports: 1) Understand the bug report with which I'm working 2) If I don't have an understanding of the issue ask for help[0][1] 3) Document the reason behind a bug's modification 4) Close bugs only when I'm certain they are Fixed or Invalid I think if we all do our best to follow these it will help to improve the quality of bug reports, Ubuntu and open source software in general. [0] Help is almost always available in the #ubuntu-bugs IRC channel [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Contacts -- Brian Murray @ubuntu.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The only thing I have 'on the docket' is Transmission, just as a > place holder until something better comes along really. > > > I have a feeling there are packages that could use some good triaging > before Intrepid is released, so send me your thoughts and I'll make some > waves. > > > ~Dereck Xubuntu would really like a Hugday before Intrepid, if you can help us with it. I'm trying to organize one, but it is very hard to do around the Ubuntu Hugday. Any pointers on how to make this happen, or can you fit one in? Thanks, -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From dereck at gmail.com Fri Sep 26 04:05:07 2008 From: dereck at gmail.com (Dereck Wonnacott) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 00:05:07 -0400 Subject: calling for hugday targets In-Reply-To: <20080925154035.572bff98.cjk-bugsquad@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <48CE4933.3070004@gmail.com> <20080925154035.572bff98.cjk-bugsquad@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <48DC5F73.1050105@gmail.com> Charlie Kravetz wrote: > On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:38:27 -0400 > Dereck Wonnacott wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Do you have any ideas for the Ubuntu Hugday this week and in the near >> future? The only thing I have 'on the docket' is Transmission, just as a >> place holder until something better comes along really. >> >> >> I have a feeling there are packages that could use some good triaging >> before Intrepid is released, so send me your thoughts and I'll make some >> waves. >> >> >> ~Dereck > Xubuntu would really like a Hugday before Intrepid, if you can help us > with it. I'm trying to organize one, but it is very hard to do around > the Ubuntu Hugday. Any pointers on how to make this happen, or can you > fit one in? > > Thanks, > There are two hug days left wide open before Intrepid, so I don't see why we can't run an xubuntu Hug day. Or, if you rather get more immediate attention, I could potentially help you set one up for this coming Tuesday. What specific packages would you like triaged? All we need is a list of bugs and a date really. ~Dereck From cjk-bugsquad at teamcharliesangels.com Fri Sep 26 12:57:21 2008 From: cjk-bugsquad at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 06:57:21 -0600 Subject: calling for hugday targets In-Reply-To: <48DC5F73.1050105@gmail.com> References: <48CE4933.3070004@gmail.com> <20080925154035.572bff98.cjk-bugsquad@teamcharliesangels.com> <48DC5F73.1050105@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080926065721.9af1afad.cjk-bugsquad@teamcharliesangels.com> On Fri, 26 Sep 2008 00:05:07 -0400 Dereck Wonnacott wrote: > Charlie Kravetz wrote: > > On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:38:27 -0400 > > Dereck Wonnacott wrote: > > > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >> Hash: SHA1 > >> > >> Do you have any ideas for the Ubuntu Hugday this week and in the near > >> future? The only thing I have 'on the docket' is Transmission, just as a > >> place holder until something better comes along really. > >> > >> > >> I have a feeling there are packages that could use some good triaging > >> before Intrepid is released, so send me your thoughts and I'll make some > >> waves. > >> > >> > >> ~Dereck > > Xubuntu would really like a Hugday before Intrepid, if you can help us > > with it. I'm trying to organize one, but it is very hard to do around > > the Ubuntu Hugday. Any pointers on how to make this happen, or can you > > fit one in? > > > > Thanks, > > > > There are two hug days left wide open before Intrepid, so I don't see > why we can't run an xubuntu Hug day. Or, if you rather get more > immediate attention, I could potentially help you set one up for this > coming Tuesday. > > What specific packages would you like triaged? All we need is a list of > bugs and a date really. > > ~Dereck Tuesday would be great. We are trying to get this in before the Beta release if possible. The list I use is https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/%7Exubuntu-team/+packagebugs but I don't know how to get a list of bugs from it that are not triaged already. Thanks for your help. -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From cjk-bugsquad at teamcharliesangels.com Mon Sep 29 02:11:17 2008 From: cjk-bugsquad at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 20:11:17 -0600 Subject: calling for hugday targets In-Reply-To: <2d8148cd0809261126o7a6fdd73oa40932cc9e7e7d23@mail.gmail.com> References: <48CE4933.3070004@gmail.com> <20080925154035.572bff98.cjk-bugsquad@teamcharliesangels.com> <48DC5F73.1050105@gmail.com> <20080926065721.9af1afad.cjk-bugsquad@teamcharliesangels.com> <2d8148cd0809261126o7a6fdd73oa40932cc9e7e7d23@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080928201117.03516369.cjk-bugsquad@teamcharliesangels.com> On Fri, 26 Sep 2008 14:26:18 -0400 Dereck wrote: > I jumped the gun and spoke too soon, at some point open office was set > up to be hugged this coming Tuesday. [1] The next open Tuesday or > Thursday is the 14th of October, much farther away than you would > like, I'm sure. > > > There really is nothing to stop you from running it any day or time, > it's really just a list of bugs on a wiki page after all. [2] All that > matters is motivation of the people you get looking at that list. So > if you want to run it on a Saturday for example, I don't really think > it's a bad idea persae. > > Just let me know what you want to do. > > ~Dereck > > > [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Planning > [2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Organizing Derick, I have reviewed the above pages, and can even do the wiki page for the Hugday. Can we make it happen on Saturday, 2008-10-0? I have 118 bugs to confirm at this time, which may increase when the Beta is released on 2008-10-02. I also have 50 bugs that need to have the status updated from confirmed to triaged if we can make it happen. I'll start putting announcements out on the development and xubuntu-user mailing lists if we can do this. I would like this to be a HUG day, please. I plan to announce it as the first of many Xubuntu Hug Days, and hope to make it all work. Thanks very much for your time. -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From cjk-bugsquad at teamcharliesangels.com Mon Sep 29 04:01:51 2008 From: cjk-bugsquad at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 22:01:51 -0600 Subject: calling for hugday targets In-Reply-To: <2d8148cd0809282039m6d5cf77ch986b964d78444190@mail.gmail.com> References: <48CE4933.3070004@gmail.com> <20080925154035.572bff98.cjk-bugsquad@teamcharliesangels.com> <48DC5F73.1050105@gmail.com> <20080926065721.9af1afad.cjk-bugsquad@teamcharliesangels.com> <2d8148cd0809261126o7a6fdd73oa40932cc9e7e7d23@mail.gmail.com> <20080928201117.03516369.cjk-bugsquad@teamcharliesangels.com> <2d8148cd0809282039m6d5cf77ch986b964d78444190@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080928220151.99b4f1e5.cjk-bugsquad@teamcharliesangels.com> I'll take it! :) Thanks a ton. I'd be happy to send the announcements out! I'll let you know what else I need help with. I'm excited about it. Maybe I can spread that excitement and make this real good. thanks again. -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 23:39:03 -0400 Dereck wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > Popped you in the slot for 2009-10-02; This Thursday! Sound good to you? > > If you would like to do the wiki page, do you also want to send out > all the announcements as well? I will help with anything you need, so > feel free to e-mail me about anything. :D > > Lets make this Xubuntu Hugday ROCK! > > ~Dereck > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkjgTa0ACgkQMbyzSbPQbJjl2QCgs/Ezp25HRPr+v/0Iw9ad22Gp > a14AoJ9M3fREyAONDjiq8SqgLtiNF3bQ > =yn9B > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Charlie Kravetz > wrote: > > On Fri, 26 Sep 2008 14:26:18 -0400 > > Dereck wrote: > > > >> I jumped the gun and spoke too soon, at some point open office was set > >> up to be hugged this coming Tuesday. [1] The next open Tuesday or > >> Thursday is the 14th of October, much farther away than you would > >> like, I'm sure. > >> > >> > >> There really is nothing to stop you from running it any day or time, > >> it's really just a list of bugs on a wiki page after all. [2] All that > >> matters is motivation of the people you get looking at that list. So > >> if you want to run it on a Saturday for example, I don't really think > >> it's a bad idea persae. > >> > >> Just let me know what you want to do. > >> > >> ~Dereck > >> > >> > >> [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Planning > >> [2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Organizing > > > > Derick, > > > > I have reviewed the above pages, and can even do the wiki page for the > > Hugday. Can we make it happen on Saturday, 2008-10-0? I have 118 > > bugs to confirm at this time, which may increase when the Beta is > > released on 2008-10-02. I also have 50 bugs that need to have the > > status updated from confirmed to triaged if we can make it happen. > > > > I'll start putting announcements out on the development and > > xubuntu-user mailing lists if we can do this. > > > > I would like this to be a HUG day, please. I plan to announce it as the > > first of many Xubuntu Hug Days, and hope to make it all work. > > > > Thanks very much for your time. > > > > -- > > Charlie Kravetz > > Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] > > Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] > > > > -- > > Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list > > Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad > > From dereck at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 17:16:58 2008 From: dereck at gmail.com (Dereck) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:16:58 -0400 Subject: OpenOffice.org Hugday Message-ID: <2d8148cd0809291016o62295f6aj5c8b7302ae0e7c97@mail.gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Fellow Ubuntu Lovers! It's that time a week again... oh wait? It's the return of the Tuesday HugDay!? Beta is coming up quick but there are still a lot of bugs to hug, so without fu rther adue; This Tuesday's HugDay target is *drum roll please* OpenOffice.org! * 166 New bugs need a hug~ Bookmark it, add it to your calenders, turn over those egg-timers! * Thursday September 30th * http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080930 Can't stress it enough: everyone can help! BLOG IT! Especially those on the Planet! There are people who want to help but don't know how and sit on the sidelines of the blog-o-sphere reading; I need your help to get those eyes from blogs to bugs. Let us combine blog-powers to educate, "Bug work is a fun way to get involved!" I think the best effect will be if we coordinate together in our blogs: * Publish about the upcoming Hug Days to get everyone excited. * Hug some bugs and add yourself to the HugDay's wiki for your readers! Make a difference: We will be in #ubuntu-bugs (FreeNode) all day and night, and will be ready to answer your questions about how to help. Or just come and say Hi, I'm lurking around as Awsoonn. If you're new to all this, head to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs Have an awesome day, ~Dereck (from the BugSquad) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkjhDVQACgkQMbyzSbPQbJgblACdHsT65A2DOxuhqadr2nrJzPeh XyMAnRFwEYvFv7NAkBlKpYhAD90xOpEa =UXqQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From greg.grossmeier at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 18:51:51 2008 From: greg.grossmeier at gmail.com (Greg Grossmeier) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:51:51 -0400 Subject: The Definition of Fix Committed Message-ID: <48E123C7.4010603@gmail.com> Hello all, I have recently started some conversations in both #ubuntu-bugs and #ubuntu-qa regarding what the use case is for Fix Committed. The reason I brought up the topic is because of one specific issue: the difference in what the bug status wiki page says [0] and what some people/teams do. Quoting from the status wiki page for Fix Committed: ----- 1) For a bug task about an upstream project: the fix is in CVS/SVN/bzr or committed to some place 2) For an Ubuntu package: the changes are pending and to be uploaded soon (it's what PENDINGUPLOAD was in Bugzilla) 3) Fix Committed is also used when an updated package exists in a -proposed repository i.e. hardy-proposed 4) Fix Committed is not to be used when a patch is attached to a bug ----- Case 1 refers to the bug task for the upstream project, ie: a link to the bug report in GNOME's bugzilla. However, you would only manually set this to Fix Committed when there is no bug in the upstream bugtracker yet you know that a fix was indeed committed to the project's revision control. Otherwise the status is automatically updated based on the upstream bug's status. Cases 2-4 refer to the Ubuntu task (usually says "$packagename (Ubuntu)"). None of these refer to the case a fix was merely committed to any revision control. The normal use if when a package is in -proposed for testing purposes. You could think of the fix as Committed to Ubuntu but not Released to all users yet. However, the confusion comes when a fix is indeed committed in upstream's revision control and to signify this some people/teams set the Ubuntu task to Fix Committed. This use case is not stated on the wiki page. The reason this is done is so when viewing a package's bug list triagers can easily see which bugs are fixed upstream[1]. This is most commonly done by the Ubuntu Desktop Team due to the large number of bugs which they are responsible for. My commentary: I believe that the use of Fix Committed in the Ubuntu task for when upstream has committed a patch is a workaround for a real problem. This problem should be fixed directly, not hacked around. To fix this problem the bug list for a package could include a column or some graphical indicator that an upstream task is marked as Fix Committed/Released. To keep some of the cleanness of Launchpad this may be a separate bug list instead of complicating the normal bug list. Side-issue: The use of the Fix Committed status is of debatable effectiveness. I know there have been discussion of reducing the number of status options to reduce confusion like this. I'm not sure that would help the situation or make it worse; opinions which account for all use cases are more than welcomed. My proposal: Unify the use of Fix Committed across all teams in Ubuntu (with the exception of work-flow/archive inclusion reports). This could be done by either using Fix Committed as the wiki page says [0] or as some teams/individuals do. My preference is to do as the wiki and then actually fix the issue with a modification to Launchpad to show bugs which have a Fixed upstream task. Do you have opinions/comments/questions on this? Best, Greg [0] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status [1] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/poppler From alecwh at gmail.com Sun Sep 28 16:58:52 2008 From: alecwh at gmail.com (Alec Henriksen) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 10:58:52 -0600 Subject: new wiki page - FirefoxFlashCrashes Message-ID: <1222621132.7480.13.camel@alecwh-laptop> Hello, I have created a wiki page to help developers and Ubuntu users (easily) find information and fixes for Launchpad bug 192888 (regarding Firefox + Flash crashes) Wiki page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxFlashCrashes The bug in question: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/192888 If anyone has anything to contribute to the page, feel free to! -- Alec Henriksen @ http://alecwh.com From pochu at ubuntu.com Mon Sep 29 19:17:25 2008 From: pochu at ubuntu.com (Emilio Pozuelo Monfort) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 21:17:25 +0200 Subject: The Definition of Fix Committed In-Reply-To: <48E123C7.4010603@gmail.com> References: <48E123C7.4010603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E129C5.4070506@ubuntu.com> Hi all, Greg Grossmeier wrote: > My preference is to do as the wiki and then actually fix the issue with > a modification to Launchpad to show bugs which have a Fixed upstream task. 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URL: From mrooney at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 21:15:17 2008 From: mrooney at gmail.com (Mike Rooney) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:15:17 -0400 Subject: The Definition of Fix Committed In-Reply-To: <48E123C7.4010603@gmail.com> References: <48E123C7.4010603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4f4806ee0809291415g620fa4b1l97a731a35ba43e87@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Greg Grossmeier wrote: > To fix this problem the bug list for a package could include a column or > some graphical indicator that an upstream task is marked as Fix > Committed/Released. To keep some of the cleanness of Launchpad this may > be a separate bug list instead of complicating the normal bug list. I didn't see any mention of the "Triaged" status which I think could be a good hint. I always read a bug status with an upstream link and "Triaged" status as saying "see upstream status", otherwise, the Ubuntu status is the one to be concerned with. So, if you have a Triaged Ubuntu bug with an upstream link, you can look at the upstream status as an indicator of progress. In this way, Launchpad might be able to be a little smarter in knowing which status you are typically going to be concerned with. Just a thought. Mike Rooney mrooney at gmail.com From hew.mclachlan at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 01:54:23 2008 From: hew.mclachlan at gmail.com (Hew McLachlan) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:54:23 +1000 Subject: Upcoming hug day. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48E186CF.8050908@gmail.com> A Hug Day is a great place to start. Check out the BugSquad page [1] for details on how you can help out, and drop into #ubuntu-bugs if you have any questions or need help triaging a particular bug. Make sure you also read the page for this OpenOffice.org Hug Day [2] so we can track which bugs we have triaged :-) In brief, a Hug Day is where we focus our triaging efforts on a particular package. Triaging is the process of getting bugs into a state that a developer can work on, which usually involves asking the reporter for the necessary information. Regards, Hew McLachlan [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad [2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080930 Neil Munro wrote: > Hey all > I'm new to this bug hunting but I am wishing to get involved > in bug tracking, I'm submitted a few bugs, I've hopefully attached > some bugs to packages so with the openoffice hug day coming up can > someone explain to me what's expected, what I could actually do etc. > > Thanks, > Neil Munro From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Tue Sep 30 12:40:49 2008 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:40:49 +0200 Subject: 5-a-day screencast! Message-ID: <48E21E51.5060703@ubuntu.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello everybody, Andy Owen just sent in a great idea. What about having one or several screencasts about 5-a-day? Setting it up just got a bit easier, but still: seeing somebody setting it up and grabbing a few easy bugs would probably make the whole thing a bit clearer. Who of you would be interested in working on one or a few screencasts like that? Titles I could imagine: * Setting up 5-a-day and the 5-a-day applet. * Linking Upstream bugs as part of your 5-a-day. * Confirming Bugs as part of your 5-a-day. * Linking Bugs to packages as part of your 5-a-day. * etc. I'm sure you can come up with your own clever ideas. James Westby introduced me to gtk-recordMyDesktop which is a neat tool to record a screencast. Let me know what you think. I'm happy to upload good videos to http://videos.ubuntu.com/qa/ afterwards. Have a nice day, Daniel - -- My 5 today: #276137 (jumpnbump), #274515 (gnome-volume-manager), #264124 (protobuf), #258727 (checkinstall), #274325 (nano) Do 5 a day - every day! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkjiHlEACgkQRjrlnQWd1euJDACcCNu4gsyJr2nRcO9vNUT4jGLO yv4Ani5K4jhwI7Vum4N19IN5NLqVtLP/ =h9Xc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From alan at popey.com Tue Sep 30 14:59:36 2008 From: alan at popey.com (Alan Pope) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:59:36 +0100 Subject: 5-a-day screencast! In-Reply-To: <48E21E51.5060703@ubuntu.com> References: <48E21E51.5060703@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Daniel Holbach > Andy Owen just sent in a great idea. What about having one or several > screencasts about 5-a-day? Great idea! > Who of you would be interested in working on one or a few screencasts > like that? Titles I could imagine: > > * Setting up 5-a-day and the 5-a-day applet. > * Linking Upstream bugs as part of your 5-a-day. > * Confirming Bugs as part of your 5-a-day. > * Linking Bugs to packages as part of your 5-a-day. * Finding low hanging fruit * Tackling tricky bugs - where to get help * Which wiki pages are appropriate for which bugs.. > James Westby introduced me to gtk-recordMyDesktop which is a neat tool > to record a screencast. > > Let me know what you think. I'm happy to upload good videos to > http://videos.ubuntu.com/qa/ afterwards. > Or.. http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/ ? Cheers, Al. From jonathan at ubuntu.com Tue Sep 30 15:46:24 2008 From: jonathan at ubuntu.com (Jonathan Carter (highvoltage)) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:46:24 +0200 Subject: 5-a-day screencast! In-Reply-To: <48E21E51.5060703@ubuntu.com> References: <48E21E51.5060703@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <48E249D0.1090606@ubuntu.com> Daniel Holbach wrote: > * Setting up 5-a-day and the 5-a-day applet. > * Linking Upstream bugs as part of your 5-a-day. > * Confirming Bugs as part of your 5-a-day. > * Linking Bugs to packages as part of your 5-a-day. > * etc. > > I'm sure you can come up with your own clever ideas. > > James Westby introduced me to gtk-recordMyDesktop which is a neat tool > to record a screencast. > > Let me know what you think. I'm happy to upload good videos to > http://videos.ubuntu.com/qa/ afterwards. Wow, it really is *that* easy? I didn't realise that! -Jonathan