Incomplete with no response >30 days

Sarah Hobbs hobbsee at
Sun May 25 09:33:38 BST 2008

HggdH wrote:
>> We also discussed what the solution should be. ScottK is going
>> to mail the ubuntu-devel-discuss with the proposal that we came
>> up with. If that is accepted then the changes will be announced
>> here.
> I am not quite sure I understand. So the proposal will be discussed by
> developers without input from triagers? Frankly, I do not agree.
> Since I think this will start another heavy discussion, I am also
> copying ubuntu-devel-discuss here. But, certainly, alienating bug-squad
> is not right.
> ..hggdh..
Whoever said that the bug triagers could not contribute to 
-devel-discuss?  For that matter, whoever said that they do not do so 

But, again, i'd point out what Reinhart has eloquently said:

 > I'm sorry, but I may have misunderstood something. I thought the point
 > of the bugsquad team was to make the live of developers easier and not
 > more complicated.
 > Clearly these bugs cause misunderstanding on the bugsquad team. I
 > therefore thing these type of bugs need to be discussed with the
 > developers who have to work with them (which basically means all
 > developers). Since you cannot expect all developers to read this mailing
 > list, I'd suggest starting that discussion on ubuntu-devel.

There seems to be an attitude of "screw the developers, we are the 
mighty bug squad, and can do what we like" here.

But really, isn't the job of the bug squad to get bugs into a good state 
of triage, so they can be dealt with by the developers?  Does it not 
make sense, therefore, to listen to what the developers want the bug 
squad to do to the bugs, in a general sense, and then for the bug squad 
to go away and deal with the specifics?

I don't think the bug squad should have the right to say "we will make 
the rules, everyone else must follow them", as, while there are many bug 
squad people (yes, developers are still bug squad too), the bug squad 
does not put real bugs (ie, not invalid, etc) in a final state, so 
someone always has to come after them, and touch the bugs afterwards. 
This is not the case for developers.

For those who are interested in getting the bugs into a final, finished 
state, in the bug squad, you may want to look at becoming developers 

Just my AUD $0.02, from another fellow member of the bug squad and developer


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