From pedro at ubuntu.com Tue Aug 5 20:08:37 2008 From: pedro at ubuntu.com (Pedro Villavicencio Garrido) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:08:37 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu QA Team Meeting - Aug 06 2008 Message-ID: <1217966917.11348.3.camel@thylacine> Hello Folks, This is a reminder, like most of every Wednesday, tomorrow Wed 06 of August we're going to have our next Ubuntu QA Team Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting at 1700 UTC, the Agenda for the meeting will be up shortly at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings Please feel free to add the items you want to discuss during it. Best Regards, pedro. From dereck at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 21:42:47 2008 From: dereck at gmail.com (Dereck Wonnacott) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:42:47 -0400 Subject: Hug Day!! Message-ID: <4898C957.1080802@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 It's me again, filling you inbox with what I know you've been waiting for, this week's HUG DAY info!! This week's target is *drum roll please* Grub! * 116 New bugs need a hug * 50 Confirmed bugs need a quick review Grub is the program that takes care of booting your computer. A bug in grub can leave a system in an unusable state, and leave a bad taste in the mouths of new users. Lets squash bugs! Bookmark it, add it to your calenders, turn over your egg-timers! * Thursday August 07th * http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080807 Can't stress it enough: everyone can help! Bug Control Members! There are tons of confirmed bugs here that can't go further without YOU! Make a difference: Join the Hug Day on Thursday the 7th. We will be in #ubuntu-bugs (FreeNode) all day and night, and ready to answer your questions about how to help. If you're new to all this, head to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs ~Dereck (from the BugSquad) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFImMlXMbyzSbPQbJgRAoq+AJ40VKOCVMyqALcpqmQ9waARPI1xIwCfVIjW IXnTgQR4g+jgKhRIlBTaEng= =6LIQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From leann.ogasawara at canonical.com Thu Aug 7 08:09:14 2008 From: leann.ogasawara at canonical.com (Leann Ogasawara) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 01:09:14 -0700 Subject: Kernel Bug Migration Notice Message-ID: <1218096554.3527.25.camel@emiko> Hi Guys, As many of you already know, during the Hardy development cycle the kernel source package naming convention changed from 'linux-source-2.6.xx' to just 'linux'. Going forward, kernel bugs should be reported against the 'linux' package. It is important to both the Ubuntu QA and Kernel Teams that bugs open against older kernels be carried forward if they still exist in the actively developed kernel. Since there are quite a few bugs still open against older Ubuntu kernels, it would be a time consuming process to move each bug forward manually. That's why we've acquired the help of some Launchpad developers to help automate a portion of this process[1]. We're targetting to make this package transition later this evening pending successful trial runs in the staging area first. The only minor disruption you should notice will be a few extra emails from the launchpad janitor _if_ you happen to be subscribed to a kernel bug report which gets updated. I just wanted to give you a quick notice about this. I've also already raised this with the kernel team[2] and have given them additional reminders[3] of this migration. Thanks, Leann [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/KernelBugMigration [2] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2008-June/002558.html [3] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2008-July/002797.html From debianmaster at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 03:33:31 2008 From: debianmaster at gmail.com (Gabriel Ruiz) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 03:33:31 +0000 Subject: Hi all! Message-ID: <489A6D0B.10609@gmail.com> Hi: My name is Gabriel Ruiz and in from Concepción, Chile. I write to you cause Daniel Holbach tell that if i need help i must send an email to this list. I need some help with an interview with Brian Murray that appears here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RunningBugJam This is the file: http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/brian-murray-interview.ogg I want to translate it to Spanish and then ill show it to our Ubuntu Local Community, but im not so good listening English ( is not my Native Language) so I need the help of someone that could make a written Version from the ogg file and then Ill translate it to Spanish. Thanks you. Gabriel Ruiz Ubuntu-Cl From mrooney at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 21:52:26 2008 From: mrooney at gmail.com (Mike Rooney) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 17:52:26 -0400 Subject: Hi all! In-Reply-To: <489A6D0B.10609@gmail.com> References: <489A6D0B.10609@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4f4806ee0808071452k49a4f57dx342ec5100e6fd4f9@mail.gmail.com> Hi Gabriel, I will be happy to do this, if someone else hasn't already volunteered or this is already available. Is there a team to do this already? You would think a team of transcribers would be really useful for audio purposes such as this, where the result can then be passed to translators. Let me know, Mike Rooney mrooney at gmail.com On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 11:33 PM, Gabriel Ruiz wrote: > Hi: > > My name is Gabriel Ruiz and in from Concepción, Chile. I write to you > cause Daniel Holbach tell that if i need help i must send an email to > this list. > I need some help with an interview with Brian Murray that appears here: > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RunningBugJam > > This is the file: > > http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/brian-murray-interview.ogg > > I want to translate it to Spanish and then ill show it to our Ubuntu > Local Community, but im not so good listening English ( is not my Native > Language) so I need the help of someone that could make a written > Version from the ogg file and then Ill translate it to Spanish. > > Thanks you. > > > Gabriel Ruiz > Ubuntu-Cl > > > -- > Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list > Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad > From chuckfrain at pobox.com Fri Aug 8 00:24:47 2008 From: chuckfrain at pobox.com (Chuck Frain) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:24:47 -0400 Subject: Reporting and Triaging ODP file Message-ID: <489B924F.2040602@pobox.com> Greetings All, At the request of Daniel Holbach I uploaded a presentation that I will be giving on Saturday as a part of the Global Bug Jam for the Maryland Loco team. It is in the 'Material' section at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RunningBugJam Please take a look at it for any glaring errors or omissions. It is geared for new people to the process so don't expect any deep dark secrets about any of the processes to be there:) Thanks! Chuck From debianmaster at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 21:49:39 2008 From: debianmaster at gmail.com (Gabriel Ruiz) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:49:39 +0000 Subject: Thanks! Message-ID: <489B6DF3.2050107@gmail.com> Hi!: Thanks for Mike Rooney, Jon Reagan and Ryan Peck, cause whith their help we will convert audio files like interviews to a written version and then it could be translated to Spanish. Hey Guys, ill be waiting for your work and then we will show it to the World ;-). Mike Rooney, your idea is great and we can create a Launchpad platform to do it but its like a dream for now, but keep dreaming, I want to make it true. Its gonna be fun!. Thanks for All! Gabriel Ruiz Ubuntu-Cl From philwyett at gmx.com Fri Aug 8 03:02:10 2008 From: philwyett at gmx.com (Philip Wyett) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 04:02:10 +0100 Subject: Reporting and Triaging ODP file In-Reply-To: <489B924F.2040602@pobox.com> References: <489B924F.2040602@pobox.com> Message-ID: <1218164531.6151.14.camel@wyett-diamond> On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 20:24 -0400, Chuck Frain wrote: > Greetings All, > > At the request of Daniel Holbach I uploaded a presentation that I will > be giving on Saturday as a part of the Global Bug Jam for the Maryland > Loco team. It is in the 'Material' section at > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RunningBugJam > > Please take a look at it for any glaring errors or omissions. It is > geared for new people to the process so don't expect any deep dark > secrets about any of the processes to be there:) > > Thanks! > > Chuck > In the interests of keeping the team wiki clean and easier to navigate, this and other user created pages should ideally be sub pages of the users page i.e. for this presentation for example it could be at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChuckFrain/RunningBugJam or similar. The reasoning for this... 1. Makes identifying a particular persons work easier. 2. If edited by someone else it lessens work of others to perform #1. 3. Keeps the root folder of the wiki cleaner. 4. After a time if the page goes stale it won't be accidentally deleted. It is not just this particular page I want to highlight alone as there are a considerable amount like it on the team wiki at present. I wish to promote that extra bit of personal organisation when creating wiki pages helps the wiki's organisation then look after itself. Regards Phil -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mrooney at gmail.com Fri Aug 8 12:15:15 2008 From: mrooney at gmail.com (Mike Rooney) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:15:15 -0400 Subject: Thanks! In-Reply-To: <489B6DF3.2050107@gmail.com> References: <489B6DF3.2050107@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4f4806ee0808080515i4fb1d819q79c463b8b8cf0898@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Gabriel Ruiz wrote: > Hi!: > > Thanks for Mike Rooney, Jon Reagan and Ryan Peck, cause whith > their help we will convert audio files like interviews to a written > version and then it could be translated to Spanish. > Hey Guys, ill be waiting for your work and then we will show it to > the World ;-). > Mike Rooney, your idea is great and we can create a Launchpad > platform to do it but its like a dream for now, but keep dreaming, I > want to make it true. Its gonna be fun!. > Okay, but now you have confused me :) You mentioned two other people; have they also volunteered to transcribe this specific file? We probably don't need three people to do it. Besides that, if someone can confirm that something like this doesn't exist, I will be happy to make an ubuntu-transcribers project and team, at which people can file bugs like "Please transcribe ....", and team members can assign themselves the bugs as appropriate and then transcribe (setting In Progress) and then attach the result, closing the bug. What nice workflow! - Mike From vicedar at gmail.com Fri Aug 8 12:39:52 2008 From: vicedar at gmail.com (Sav vas) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 15:39:52 +0300 Subject: Thanks! In-Reply-To: References: <489B6DF3.2050107@gmail.com> <4f4806ee0808080515i4fb1d819q79c463b8b8cf0898@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > Besides that, if someone can confirm that something like this doesn't > exist, I will be happy to make an ubuntu-transcribers project and > team, at which people can file bugs like "Please transcribe ....", and > team members can assign themselves the bugs as appropriate and then > transcribe (setting In Progress) and then attach the result, closing > the bug. What nice workflow! Wouldn't it be better to make transcripts as a separate launchpad project? It should be a merge of code and translation projects.. it would be easier to make changes or see who contributed a part of the transcript. From jreagan1990 at gmail.com Fri Aug 8 12:49:32 2008 From: jreagan1990 at gmail.com (Jon Reagan) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:49:32 -0400 Subject: Thanks! In-Reply-To: References: <489B6DF3.2050107@gmail.com> <4f4806ee0808080515i4fb1d819q79c463b8b8cf0898@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <371176e00808080549ja525eb5g64372b7365a47a7d@mail.gmail.com> Well, I have already transcribed the first 7 min and 48 sec. of the interview. My thought is that all those who volunteered can transcribe a particular section to make it easier and faster. It takes a while for sure! Jon On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 8:39 AM, Sav vas wrote: >> Besides that, if someone can confirm that something like this doesn't >> exist, I will be happy to make an ubuntu-transcribers project and >> team, at which people can file bugs like "Please transcribe ....", and >> team members can assign themselves the bugs as appropriate and then >> transcribe (setting In Progress) and then attach the result, closing >> the bug. What nice workflow! > > Wouldn't it be better to make transcripts as a separate launchpad project? > It should be a merge of code and translation projects.. it would be > easier to make changes or see who contributed a part of the > transcript. > > -- > Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list > Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad > From alpichat at verizon.net Fri Aug 8 03:52:29 2008 From: alpichat at verizon.net (Alfred Pichat) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:52:29 -0400 Subject: F Spot crash on importing Message-ID: <489BC2FD.6060006@verizon.net> New Ubuntu 8.04 user. My first attempt to transfer photos from camera (Olympus D-380) to "F Stop". When selecting "Import", program selections were: 1. "A 125MB removable volume" or 2. "Olympus C-2040Z". Selecting "Olympus" froze the keyboard and the O.S. Attempts to use typical windows "Ctrl/Alt/Del" did not work. Escape and other key combinations didn't work either. My only way to restore Ubuntu was a nasty power off. The crash was repeated when following instructions in "Help". I would appreciate your to fix this problem. I'm not savvy on Linux. Thanks From dcollaziol at gmail.com Fri Aug 8 13:29:02 2008 From: dcollaziol at gmail.com (Diego Collaziol) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 10:29:02 -0300 Subject: Hallo World Message-ID: Hello Kubuntu Members, I'm using kubuntu 8.10 tribe 3 and I wish help as I can with testing and reporting bugs. Writing direct from Brazil. Regards, Diego Collaziol From pedro at ubuntu.com Fri Aug 8 13:34:47 2008 From: pedro at ubuntu.com (Pedro Villavicencio Garrido) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 09:34:47 -0400 Subject: F Spot crash on importing In-Reply-To: <489BC2FD.6060006@verizon.net> References: <489BC2FD.6060006@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1218202487.7232.11.camel@thylacine> Hello, On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 23:52 -0400, Alfred Pichat wrote: > New Ubuntu 8.04 user. > My first attempt to transfer photos from camera (Olympus D-380) to "F Stop". > When selecting "Import", program selections were: 1. "A 125MB removable > volume" or 2. "Olympus C-2040Z". > Selecting "Olympus" froze the keyboard and the O.S. Attempts to use > typical windows "Ctrl/Alt/Del" did not work. > Escape and other key combinations didn't work either. My only way to > restore Ubuntu was a nasty power off. > The crash was repeated when following instructions in "Help". May you fill a bug about it? for doing it please follow this instructions https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs ; please also select f-spot as the package for now, i don't think it's a f-spot bug but will see it after you provide the logs we are going to ask you to send to the report. Regards, pedro. From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Fri Aug 8 15:31:00 2008 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 17:31:00 +0200 Subject: Reporting and Triaging ODP file In-Reply-To: <489B924F.2040602@pobox.com> References: <489B924F.2040602@pobox.com> Message-ID: <489C66B4.8080909@ubuntu.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Chuck Frain schrieb: > At the request of Daniel Holbach I uploaded a presentation that I will > be giving on Saturday as a part of the Global Bug Jam for the Maryland > Loco team. It is in the 'Material' section at > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RunningBugJam > > Please take a look at it for any glaring errors or omissions. It is > geared for new people to the process so don't expect any deep dark > secrets about any of the processes to be there:) Thanks a lot for your great work on this. Brian: do you think we should link it in other places of the Bugs/BugSquad wiki somewhere? Have a nice day, Daniel - -- My 5 today: #255239, #251079, #255324, #255232, #252388 Do 5 a day - every day! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFInGa0RjrlnQWd1esRAkn9AJ9D7Y7bBzadlc6JQimqV30DYl08GQCfbDeG pMh4LOPzRXbO5MeZqEsbC0o= =ZHFw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From yuriy-kozlov at kubuntu.org Fri Aug 8 21:02:06 2008 From: yuriy-kozlov at kubuntu.org (Yuriy Kozlov) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:02:06 -0400 Subject: Hallo World In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <714626160808081402u6f53e8bdh98002eac30a51523@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Diego Collaziol wrote: > Hello Kubuntu Members, > > I'm using kubuntu 8.10 tribe 3 and I wish help as I can with testing > and reporting bugs. Writing direct from Brazil. > > Regards, > Diego Collaziol > Hi Diego, Thanks for your interest! Please report all bugs to Launchpad, see https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs/Reporting for information on how to do so. If you'd like to help out with other bug reports, see: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HelpingWithBugs Another way you can help is by testing CDs and reporting results at the ISO test tracker: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ Join us on IRC on irc.freenode.net in channel #ubuntu-bugs if you have any questions about reporting bugs, and #ubuntu+1 for general discussion about issues in Intrepid (8.10). ~ Yuriy From persia at ubuntu.com Sat Aug 9 14:58:12 2008 From: persia at ubuntu.com (Emmet Hikory) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 23:58:12 +0900 Subject: Adding a tag to wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Tags Message-ID: <9bd2f8970808090758o749000ccl4b5e5f0fec295ed@mail.gmail.com> Bug Squad, There's a class of bugs with Java applications that depend on the full Java Runtime Environment when they could depend on a headless Java Runtime Environment (no video or audio support). Ensuring that applications which don't need video or audio support use this headless JRE is an important step towards being able to use Java well on servers (which are often headless). I've seen at least one bug that complained about the dependencies of a Java application being too complex (why is X required for a *command line* tool?), and suspect there will be more as we get closer to the goal and build an expectation in users that Java should work in headless mode. To ease the work of developers chasing this goal, I'd like to request that the "java-headless" tag be used for bugs that address excessive dependencies of Java applications where those excessive dependencies include spurious requests for X or audio libraries. I've started using this tag myself for cases where I find bugs of this type, but would like to add it to Bugs/Tags in the hopes of increasing the number of people who might see such bugs and add the tag so that those people working on the problem may have their work better directed. I'd like to hear comments from others for or against the addition of this tag to the Bugs/Tags page. With luck, we'll complete the transition in intrepid, but more likely intrepid+1, so this tag will have a limited lifespan. -- Emmet HIKORY From hggdh2 at gmail.com Sat Aug 9 15:19:09 2008 From: hggdh2 at gmail.com (HggdH) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 10:19:09 -0500 Subject: Adding a tag to wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Tags In-Reply-To: <9bd2f8970808090758o749000ccl4b5e5f0fec295ed@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd2f8970808090758o749000ccl4b5e5f0fec295ed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1218295149.9484.21.camel@localhost> On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 23:58 +0900, Emmet Hikory wrote: > Bug Squad, > There's a class of bugs with Java applications that depend on the > full Java Runtime Environment when they could depend on a headless > Java Runtime Environment (no video or audio support). Ensuring that > applications which don't need video or audio support use this headless > JRE is an important step towards being able to use Java well on > servers (which are often headless). > > I've seen at least one bug that complained about the dependencies > of a Java application being too complex (why is X required for a > *command line* tool?), and suspect there will be more as we get closer > to the goal and build an expectation in users that Java should work in > headless mode. +1 from me. I have never understood why some console applications would depend on having a graphical environment (or sound, etc). This has been a pet peevee of mine for quite some years, and I have been extremely vocal on some commercial products about it. If tagging will help, let's do it. ..hggdh.. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Ensuring that > applications which don't need video or audio support use this headless > JRE is an important step towards being able to use Java well on > servers (which are often headless). > > I've seen at least one bug that complained about the dependencies > of a Java application being too complex (why is X required for a > *command line* tool?), and suspect there will be more as we get closer > to the goal and build an expectation in users that Java should work in > headless mode. > > To ease the work of developers chasing this goal, I'd like to > request that the "java-headless" tag be used for bugs that address > excessive dependencies of Java applications where those excessive > dependencies include spurious requests for X or audio libraries. I've > started using this tag myself for cases where I find bugs of this > type, but would like to add it to Bugs/Tags in the hopes of increasing > the number of people who might see such bugs and add the tag so that > those people working on the problem may have their work better > directed. > > I'd like to hear comments from others for or against the addition > of this tag to the Bugs/Tags page. With luck, we'll complete the > transition in intrepid, but more likely intrepid+1, so this tag will > have a limited lifespan. Hmm. I wonder if this could be generalized more. With installing Recommends by default it seems like there's been more talk recently about looking at what dependencies are actually needed. I'm working on another example, matplotlib, which is a nice python scientific plotting library that requires 300+ packages (over 100MB download) to install from a clean Ubuntu chroot. Do you think generalization of the tag to something like "heavy-deps" would hurt your efforts with Java? -Jordan From persia at ubuntu.com Sat Aug 9 17:27:12 2008 From: persia at ubuntu.com (Emmet Hikory) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 02:27:12 +0900 Subject: Adding a tag to wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Tags In-Reply-To: <8d41218e0808090954x3a802a29pc322ca4936ee5b81@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd2f8970808090758o749000ccl4b5e5f0fec295ed@mail.gmail.com> <8d41218e0808090954x3a802a29pc322ca4936ee5b81@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd2f8970808091027q7badb984g6e43cfdc4c6cf08b@mail.gmail.com> Jordan Mantha wrote: > Hmm. I wonder if this could be generalized more. With installing > Recommends by default it seems like there's been more talk recently > about looking at what dependencies are actually needed. I'm working on > another example, matplotlib, which is a nice python scientific > plotting library that requires 300+ packages (over 100MB download) to > install from a clean Ubuntu chroot. > > Do you think generalization of the tag to something like "heavy-deps" > would hurt your efforts with Java? "heavy-deps" sounds independently interesting. That said, it won't help the specific Java transition so well, as most of them don't have the easy "test with headless" case to resolve the problem, and need deeper investigation. In the interest of getting the easy stuff done quick for maxium user impact, I think the two proposed tags may be interesting to view separately. For those tagging who aren't sure if something is a Java program, "heavy-deps" seems easier, and maybe that could be one of the sources for those adding the "java-headless" tag (which becomes a canned-search for Java packagers to clean and trim). -- Emmet HIKORY From brian at ubuntu.com Tue Aug 12 21:20:16 2008 From: brian at ubuntu.com (Brian Murray) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:20:16 -0700 Subject: Narrowing down the CC list for Bug Days In-Reply-To: <488082FA.1080808@ubuntu.com> References: <809d37bb0807121051i27d5f970v75a052548bf5306d@mail.gmail.com> <87mykgrf6l.fsf@faui44a.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <488082FA.1080808@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20080812212016.GC20907@murraytwins.com> On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 09:48:10PM +1000, Sarah Hobbs wrote: > Reinhard Tartler wrote: >> Any news on this? Does nobody object? If no, I'd suggest the following >> lists to be dropped: > > I agree with this, but have already blocked all of the Hug Day mails, as > I was getting far too many copies of it. The appropriate wiki pages[1][2] now include only: ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com ubuntu-devel-announce at lists.ubuntu.com ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com ubuntu-news-team at lists.ubuntu.com [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Draft [2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Organizing -- Brian Murray @ubuntu.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Ensuring that > applications which don't need video or audio support use this headless > JRE is an important step towards being able to use Java well on > servers (which are often headless). > > I've seen at least one bug that complained about the dependencies > of a Java application being too complex (why is X required for a > *command line* tool?), and suspect there will be more as we get closer > to the goal and build an expectation in users that Java should work in > headless mode. > > To ease the work of developers chasing this goal, I'd like to > request that the "java-headless" tag be used for bugs that address > excessive dependencies of Java applications where those excessive > dependencies include spurious requests for X or audio libraries. I've > started using this tag myself for cases where I find bugs of this > type, but would like to add it to Bugs/Tags in the hopes of increasing > the number of people who might see such bugs and add the tag so that > those people working on the problem may have their work better > directed. > > I'd like to hear comments from others for or against the addition > of this tag to the Bugs/Tags page. With luck, we'll complete the > transition in intrepid, but more likely intrepid+1, so this tag will > have a limited lifespan. This sounds like a great idea to me. -- Brian Murray @ubuntu.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It is > > geared for new people to the process so don't expect any deep dark > > secrets about any of the processes to be there:) > > > > Thanks! > > > > Chuck > > > > In the interests of keeping the team wiki clean and easier to navigate, > this and other user created pages should ideally be sub pages of the > users page i.e. for this presentation for example it could be at: Isn't every page in the wiki "user created" and isn't the point of having the wiki for us to collaborate on something together? Having collaborative pages underneath a user's name seems to be like it would prevent people from working together. -- Brian Murray @ubuntu.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From brian at ubuntu.com Tue Aug 12 22:15:29 2008 From: brian at ubuntu.com (Brian Murray) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:15:29 -0700 Subject: Reporting and Triaging ODP file In-Reply-To: <489C66B4.8080909@ubuntu.com> References: <489B924F.2040602@pobox.com> <489C66B4.8080909@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20080812221529.GG20907@murraytwins.com> On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 05:31:00PM +0200, Daniel Holbach wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Chuck Frain schrieb: > > At the request of Daniel Holbach I uploaded a presentation that I will > > be giving on Saturday as a part of the Global Bug Jam for the Maryland > > Loco team. It is in the 'Material' section at > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RunningBugJam > > > > Please take a look at it for any glaring errors or omissions. It is > > geared for new people to the process so don't expect any deep dark > > secrets about any of the processes to be there:) > > Thanks a lot for your great work on this. > > Brian: do you think we should link it in other places of the > Bugs/BugSquad wiki somewhere? It's pretty Global Bug Jam specific at the moment but if it became more generic I think Bugs/HowToTriage and BugSquad/KnowledgeBase would be good spots. -- Brian Murray @ubuntu.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From sonicmctails at gmail.com Tue Aug 12 23:12:11 2008 From: sonicmctails at gmail.com (Michael Casadevall) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:12:11 -0400 Subject: Adding a tag to wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Tags In-Reply-To: <20080812220512.GE20907@murraytwins.com> References: <9bd2f8970808090758o749000ccl4b5e5f0fec295ed@mail.gmail.com> <20080812220512.GE20907@murraytwins.com> Message-ID: <5a1037520808121612g80d4150x73fb184670a9702e@mail.gmail.com> Another +1 from me. Great idea. Michael On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Brian Murray wrote: > On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 11:58:12PM +0900, Emmet Hikory wrote: >> Bug Squad, >> There's a class of bugs with Java applications that depend on the >> full Java Runtime Environment when they could depend on a headless >> Java Runtime Environment (no video or audio support). Ensuring that >> applications which don't need video or audio support use this headless >> JRE is an important step towards being able to use Java well on >> servers (which are often headless). >> >> I've seen at least one bug that complained about the dependencies >> of a Java application being too complex (why is X required for a >> *command line* tool?), and suspect there will be more as we get closer >> to the goal and build an expectation in users that Java should work in >> headless mode. >> >> To ease the work of developers chasing this goal, I'd like to >> request that the "java-headless" tag be used for bugs that address >> excessive dependencies of Java applications where those excessive >> dependencies include spurious requests for X or audio libraries. I've >> started using this tag myself for cases where I find bugs of this >> type, but would like to add it to Bugs/Tags in the hopes of increasing >> the number of people who might see such bugs and add the tag so that >> those people working on the problem may have their work better >> directed. >> >> I'd like to hear comments from others for or against the addition >> of this tag to the Bugs/Tags page. With luck, we'll complete the >> transition in intrepid, but more likely intrepid+1, so this tag will >> have a limited lifespan. > > This sounds like a great idea to me. > > -- > Brian Murray @ubuntu.com > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkiiCRgACgkQDTAwc5ER+zUxowCfdGOo4OlLMCRr84yg1Xrz7Q+e > 6XgAoJ1HsoKKrM1NSd+YQsZSruxt5zDH > =ZbLd > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list > Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad > > From dereck at gmail.com Wed Aug 13 05:13:20 2008 From: dereck at gmail.com (Dereck Wonnacott) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:13:20 -0400 Subject: Hug Day!! Message-ID: <48A26D70.2020603@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Fellow Ubuntu Lovers! This week's target is *drum roll please* TARGET! * 35 New bugs need a hug * 28 Confirmed bugs just need a review Bookmark it, add it to your calenders, turn over your egg-timers! * Thursday August 14th * http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080814 Can't stress it enough: everyone can help! BLOG IT! Especially those on the Planet! There are people who want to help but don't know how and sit on the sidelines of the blog-o-sphere reading; I need your help to get those eyes from blogs to bugs. Let us combine blog-powers to educate, "Bug work is a fun way to get involved!" I think the best effect will be if we coordinate together in our blogs: * Publish about the Hug Day Thursday July 03rd to get everyone excited. * Hug some bugs and add yourself to the HugDay's wiki for your readers! Make a difference: Join the Hug Day on Thursday the 14th. We will be in #ubuntu-bugs (FreeNode) all day and night, and will be ready to answer your questions about how to help. If you're new to all this, head to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs Have a nice day, ~Dereck (from the BugSquad) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIom1wMbyzSbPQbJgRAtXHAKCx/tcdjTXny1XO/4dh7tn4HkSYawCgzC1R tR3c/Pzcq6J9AIXY5L55XME= =HSQl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From brian at ubuntu.com Thu Aug 14 23:27:44 2008 From: brian at ubuntu.com (Brian Murray) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:27:44 -0700 Subject: [needs-packaging] bug reports Message-ID: <20080814232744.GS20907@murraytwins.com> The other day [needs-packaging] bug reports were added to the "Special types of bugs" section of HowToTriage[0], however there wasn't much indication as to why. I'm curious why these types of bug reports are special enough to warrant avoiding adjustments. Personally, I've been setting these bug reports to an importance of Wishlist and a status of Confirmed, if in fact the software is not available as a package. Occasionally, I've even had to set these Invalid as the software was already packaged for Ubuntu. For what reason should bug triagers not being doing this? If this is the incorrect workflow what is the correct one? [0] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage -- Brian Murray @ubuntu.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Occasionally, I've even had to set these > Invalid as the software was already packaged for Ubuntu. For what > reason should bug triagers not being doing this? If this is the > incorrect workflow what is the correct one? > > [0] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage I've tweaked this section of the wiki page a fair amount after earlier work by hggdh (thanks!) to be a bit more readable and descriptive. Please have a look. -Jordan. From niels.egberts at gmail.com Tue Aug 19 14:57:52 2008 From: niels.egberts at gmail.com (Niels Egberts) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:57:52 +0200 Subject: private bugreport? Message-ID: Hi, I've file this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-haze/+bug/259431 Within an hour I get a message from apport-retrace that this is a duplicate of another bug. But the bug number (#212161) is non-clickable. And when I try to browse directly to the bug I get a permission denied. Does this mean the original bug-report is only to be seen by the telepathy developpers? And if it is marked as private, would'nt it be nice to display a message "this bug is private etc etc" instead of a not very discriptive "permission denied"? Greetings, Niels Egberts -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jw+debian at jameswestby.net Tue Aug 19 15:06:33 2008 From: jw+debian at jameswestby.net (James Westby) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:06:33 +0100 Subject: private bugreport? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1219158393.1158.8.camel@flash> On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 16:57 +0200, Niels Egberts wrote: > Hi, > > I've file this bug: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-haze/+bug/259431 > > Within an hour I get a message from apport-retrace that this is a > duplicate of another bug. But the bug number (#212161) is > non-clickable. And when I try to browse directly to the bug I get a > permission denied. Does this mean the original bug-report is only to > be seen by the telepathy developpers? Hi, This bug is private as it was filed by apport, and so may contain sensitive information. There is a team that is allowed to view the bugs, so that they can be checked for sensitive information, and then opened up so that they can be seen by everyone. I have just done this for your bug, so you should be able to see it now. Thanks, James From brian at ubuntu.com Wed Aug 20 20:47:08 2008 From: brian at ubuntu.com (Brian Murray) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:47:08 -0700 Subject: New Greasemonkey Script Message-ID: <20080820204708.GR20907@murraytwins.com> I've added a new greasemonkey script[0] to the launchpad-gm-scripts[1] project, that I thought you might find useful. It will fill in the "Comment" box with the standard reply when converting a bug to a question. [0] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gm-dev-launchpad/launchpad-gm-scripts/master/annotate/43?file_id=lp_question_comment.-20080818231134-q5vpqg5ljpgxm9zy-1 [1] https://launchpad.net/launchpad-gm-scripts -- Brian Murray @ubuntu.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From sadhanavs at gmail.com Tue Aug 26 05:22:16 2008 From: sadhanavs at gmail.com (Sadhana Sahasrabudhe) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:22:16 -0700 Subject: Console window problem Message-ID: Hi, I have been facing this strange problem for a couple of days now. When ever I type s like is ls or sudo a new window opens up. I have not set up any such keyboard short cut. Can some one please tell me how can I disable this? Thanks Sadhana -- Thanks Sadhana -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You could get more help at www.ubuntuforums.org From macoafi at gmail.com Tue Aug 26 14:17:04 2008 From: macoafi at gmail.com (Mackenzie Morgan) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:17:04 -0400 Subject: Console window problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:22 AM, Sadhana Sahasrabudhe wrote: > Hi, > > I have been facing this strange problem for a couple of days now. > When ever I type s like is ls or sudo a new window opens up. > I have not set up any such keyboard short cut. > Can some one please tell me how can I disable this? Look inside your menus in the terminal. Does it say "s" where the keyboard shortcut should be on any of them? GNOME lets you remap keyboard shortcuts by highlighting a menu item and hitting a key or key combination. I accidentally remapped "new terminal" to space or enter or something one time. -- Mackenzie Morgan Linux User #432169 ACM Member #3445683 http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com <-my blog of Ubuntu stuff apt-get moo From pedro at ubuntu.com Wed Aug 27 14:27:02 2008 From: pedro at ubuntu.com (Pedro Villavicencio Garrido) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:27:02 -0400 Subject: Meeting reminder - Wednesday 27 Aug 2008 Message-ID: <48B56436.7020306@ubuntu.com> Hello Ubuntu Lovers, The Wednesday 27 of August (Today), we're going to have our next QA Team Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting at 1700 UTC. As always, the agenda for the meeting can be found at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings Please feel free to add items you want to discuss during it. Have a nice day, pedro. From dereck at gmail.com Wed Aug 27 22:18:13 2008 From: dereck at gmail.com (Dereck Wonnacott) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:18:13 -0400 Subject: Hug Day!! Message-ID: <48B5D2A5.5010304@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Fellow Ubuntu Lovers! Its me again, giving your spam filters the slip, and you know what that means, this week's HUG DAY! This week's target is *drum roll please* Thunderbird! * 39 New bugs need a hug * 36 Confirmed bugs just need a review Bookmark it, add it to your calenders, turn over your egg-timers! * Thursday August 28th * http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080828 Can't stress it enough: everyone can help! * BLOG IT! * Member of bug control? I think you know what to do. *poke* * If you're new to all this, head to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs Make a difference: Join the Hug Day on Thursday. We will be in #ubuntu-bugs (FreeNode) all day and night, and will be ready to answer your questions about how to help. My handle is Awsoonn so please say hi! 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