<div dir="ltr">Thanks a lot everyone for your comments, this feedback is really helpful!<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I agree with Jan that we should focus on 'type of location' instead of 'geographical location'. Even if we find an ideal location; one that is in the middle of this country and is accessible by both car and public transport, there will still be people who won't be able to make it.<b> I myself live in Ghent, so I'll focus my efforts around Ghent</b>. If other people want to organize meetups closer to them, feel free to do so. In fact, I'd encourage you to do so. Edmund, start a community in the rupelstreek. It will make the ubuntu-be community grow, and maybe in a few years, we'll all meet in Brussels for a big ubuntu-be party.</div><div><br></div><div>It seems to be a common concern that the association with the hacker culture creates barriers. Ubuntu = Linux for human beings, so we should try to avoid those barriers at all cost. So I propose we try to find a better location that has less of a barrier and has more connected to non-techy people. I myself am a Computer Science PhD student, so I'll need a lot of help getting in touch with non-techy organizations. Frank, do you have personal connections to such organizations in Ghent?<b> Is anyone else able to help establish a relationship with other organizations?</b></div><div><br></div><div>Now that I think of it, <b>English is another big barrier.</b> The main reason why I using English is that it allows the french and dutch speaking parts of ubuntu-be to communicate better. However, I'm not sure if there are that many non-dutch people around here. Trying to include everyone might just have an adverse effect. Aside from that, I'm going to focus my efforts on the area around Ghent, so I don't see the benefit of talking English anymore, especially since it creates another barrier. I think it's best if everyone just speaks the language they're most comfortable with. Anyone has any thoughts on the language issue?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards</div><div>Merlijn Sebrechts</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2016-04-12 7:16 GMT+02:00 Jan Bongaerts <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jbongaerts@gmail.com" target="_blank">jbongaerts@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">My 2¢<br>
Focus on the type of location, not the geographical location. It's always going to be easy for some and difficult for others.<br>
So I advice the organiser to stick to a location that is really accessible for him/her.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Hackerspace might indeed not be the best idea. Rather take it to your target audience, like a youth club, a student fraternity, or some adult education centre.<br>
Regards,<br>
Jan.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On 9 Apr 2016 10:19, "Edmund BlackAdder" <<a href="mailto:wh1tesp4ce@gmail.com" target="_blank">wh1tesp4ce@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5">
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Hello Merijn, all,<br>
<br>
i live in the Rupelstreek, that's below Antwerp, and I'm not all
that happy driving to Ghent. (what with it's accessibility (or lack
of)).<br>
Also, the terms "hacker" and "hackerspace" still carry a negative
connotation with most of the non-tech savvy people i meet. <br>
That might slow down things also, imho.<br>
<br>
If i'm allowed to think out loud for a minute, i'd say there's
potential for Linux in the Rupelstreek. As far as i know, there's
not too many of us linux users around here.<br>
Maybe in the future, a launch party in these parts of the country
would help things forward a bit. That would need a suitable location
of course, but I've got a few venues in my mind.<br>
<br>
On the other hand i realize that if everybody sticks to his/her
geographical location, the team will have a hard time getting
together. And that's not a suitable option either. <br>
<br>
Kind regards,<br>
<br>
Tom.<br>
<br>
<div>Op 09-04-16 om 09:29 schreef linux
service:<br>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Maybe a better location that is better accessible with car?</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">You have to have a plan currently to enter Ghent.</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">I like "De Leest" in Izegem.</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Maybe together with the linux groups in Kortrijk and Linuxbabbel?</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">gd</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Op Friday 08 April 2016 20:59:53 schreef Frank Neirynck:</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> Hi Merlijn, all,</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> I filled in the doodle, and I think a release party in Ghent is a good</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> idea, but if Hackerspace is the best location to attract other then</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> already convinced Linux-users, I am willing to doubt. </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> Maybe a release party could or should be held in a more publicly known</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> location to "normal people" in Ghent or elsewhere, where it could</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> attract a more diverse audience. Maybe at Vormingplus, an organisation</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> of whom I suspect they would embrace the idea?</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> Kind regards,</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> Frank Neirynck</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> -----Oorspronkelijke bericht-----</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> Van: Merlijn Sebrechts <a href="mailto:merlijn.sebrechts@gmail.com" target="_blank"><merlijn.sebrechts@gmail.com></a></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> Reply-to: Ubuntu Belgium <a href="mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank"><ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com></a></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> Aan: Ubuntu Belgium <a href="mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank"><ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com></a></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> Onderwerp: Re: [Ubuntu-be] Ubuntu-be 16.04 release party date</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> Datum: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 10:50:16 -0700</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> Hi all</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> Only three people have filled in the doodle although there are a lot</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> more people active on this list. It seems a release party in Ghent isn't</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> that wanted. Can those who didn't answer help me understand what the</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> cause of the lack of interest is? I'm thinking of a few possible</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> reasons:</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> * No interest in a release party?</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> * Ghent is a bad location?</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> * None of the dates work?</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> Any of these reasons apply to you? Do you have other reasons? Please</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> help me understand!</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> Kind regards</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> Merlijn Sebrechts</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> 2016-04-04 12:54 GMT-07:00 Merlijn Sebrechts</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> <a href="mailto:merlijn.sebrechts@gmail.com" target="_blank"><merlijn.sebrechts@gmail.com></a>:</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> Hi all</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> As Jan suggested, let's organize a release party for the 16.04</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> release. I created a doodle to get a rough idea of when people</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> have time. It would take place in Hackerspace Ghent,</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> Blekerijstraat 75. What would we do there?</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> - I can talk about my Ubuntu phone, and about Juju 2.0. If</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> anyone has any ideas or suggestions for other talks, please let</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> me know.</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> - Help each other install and upgrade to 16.04</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> - Help each other with general Ubuntu problems</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> - Get to know the ubuntu-be community</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> Can you please fill in the following doodle? Thanks!</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> <a href="http://doodle.com/poll/hr88xszfmq6krivt" target="_blank">http://doodle.com/poll/hr88xszfmq6krivt</a></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> Kind regards</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> Merlijn Sebrechts</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> </p>
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