<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:garamond, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Goede middag .</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: garamond, 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: garamond, 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>Een klein vraagje , van iemand die een paar jaar terug al een vraag stelde op t forum , zonder antwoord .. </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: garamond, 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>zeggen jullie nu : "wij zijn op stervens na dood ... ga naar Ubuntu.nl of Ubuntu.fr ?". </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: garamond, 'new york', times,
serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span> Is er een franstalige kant van ubuntu.be ? Anders ga ik daar eens vragen wat ik kan doen.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: garamond, 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>(oude acer met Vista Profess. zou ik willen proberen op Ubuntu)(ik ben geen It'er en heb wat aanwijzingen nodig)</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: garamond, 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: garamond, 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>C'est tout !!</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: garamond, 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style:
normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: garamond, 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>MIVG Luc R</span></div><div></div><div> </div><div><font color="#5b8828">Luc Rulkin<br><span></span>Bergstraat 6 <br><span></span>B 9630 St Marie Latem (Zwalm)<br><span></span><br>There is nothing worse than being talked about, that is not being talked about.<br> (O Wilde)<br></font></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: garamond, 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> On Friday, 2 May 2014, 12:25, tom verlinden <tom.verlinden@gmail.com> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);
margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv7868561819"><div><div dir="ltr">Bill's proposal looks mighty fine to me. I'll get my thinking cap on and see what i an come up with. Anybody having a problem with bill's proposal?</div>
<div class="yiv7868561819gmail_quote">Op 2 mei 2014 06:36 schreef "Jurgen Gaeremyn" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:jurgen.gaeremyn@pandora.be" target="_blank" href="mailto:jurgen.gaeremyn@pandora.be">jurgen.gaeremyn@pandora.be</a>>:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv7868561819gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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<div>I think any of the hackerspaces will be
willing to accomodate... people living near train stations on our
group might too...<br clear="none">
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Possibly I can't be available myself (wife is pregnant and due for
June 4th) but I'm pretty sure Hackerspace Brussels
(<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://hackerspace.be/">hackerspace.be</a>) would be glad to offer you a chair in the space
or the garden...<br clear="none">
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Grtz,<br clear="none">
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On 01-05-14 23:08, Jan Bongaerts wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div>Real life meeting should still take preference over
virtual meeting, if you ask me.<br clear="none">
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It's not all that hard to organise. Jurgen did it, I did it.
They were all successful.<br clear="none">
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Just get to somewhere easily accessible by public transport.<br clear="none">
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Brussels is the best.<br clear="none">
Antwerp or Ghent might be a good option.<br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv7868561819gmail_quote">On 1 May 2014 22:51, Merlijn Sebrechts
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<div>aa) I can help with the website. I now a tiny bit
of Drupal. If somebody can give me the right
credentials, I could take a look at it next week.
Mike Morraye knows more about the website, I think.<br clear="none">
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cc) same as aa)<br clear="none">
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ee) I think Google Hangouts is the best free option. If
somebody has a sip server, we could also use a sip
client like <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://jitsi.org/">jitsi.org</a>,
which has excellent Ubuntu support.<br clear="none">
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<div>Thanks for doing this wake-up call, kawabill!<br clear="none">
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2014-05-01 21:40 GMT+02:00 kawabill <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:kawabill@telenet.be" target="_blank" href="mailto:kawabill@telenet.be">kawabill@telenet.be</a>></span>:
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<div> <font face="Arial">Hey I'm not alone on the
island....! :)<br clear="none">
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Tom, you're right I think and I agree. It is
not somebody we need, it is us. Also Juergen's
proposal for having Ubuntu-be.org and setting
clear expectations I agree with, this way we
can prevent disappointment from and by others.
Carrying Ubuntu-be to the funeral I would
think is just a bit too early. From the
reactions, at least 5-10 people are actively
involved and able to help. <br clear="none">
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Using IRC is maybe just a little too much
written words and I've got no clue how to get
it to work reliably, I think we need to get
together or at least get visual. For getting
together there is the hacker space, the
facilities in Houthalen an hack - even an old
school room in Bree. Is there an open source
alternative to Skype, allowing for a virtual
meeting maybe (I saw Apache's Open Meeting)?
Or what if we organise a chat/video conference
from the 'local' events; Houthalen in Limburg,
Hackerspace, Brugge - can we organize it maybe
in such a way that it's all in sync; ie. every
last Wednesday of the month (convenient for
LImburg, as this is the gathering date
already)?<br clear="none">
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<div>1) Do you want to help set up a booth at
fosdem 2015? YES, if we can plan ahead I would
think we can get the right and motivated
people involved including this chap<br clear="none">
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<div>2) Do you still use the website? If so,
how? YES, but let's indeed make it such that
people see activity - starting with filling
the agenda showing the local activities for
example<br clear="none">
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3) What information would you want to see on the
new website? Haven't really given it a thought,
but one thing for sure I would like to see and
that is UP TO DATE information<br clear="none">
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Let's keep the ideas coming, I think getting
around the bank account quickly is indeed
opening a new one, and make it one that we can
access and at least have some kind of
redundancy. This as not to get stuck again.<br clear="none">
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I have to read and negotiate contracts all day,
it would really be good if we could talk to each
other, preferably face to face. This way we
iterate in seconds rather than weeks.<br clear="none">
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Finally; let's get the link into Canonical
established and strengthened. I work for a large
company and quite a large bunch is starting to
use Ubuntu also on the desktop. Ubuntu Phone is
a great idea and has huge potential, especially
for cost savings. I checked how I could get our
purchasing in contact easily, but believe me,
Canonical is not going to sell the idea if they
stick to how they have approached this up to
now. I would think, certainly in Europe, they
have a wide enough network of enthusiasts and
could easily bundle the network to get
aggressive into offering savings to large and
medium size companies. As far as I'm concerned I
use the software that they have ubuntu-ed, it is
this creation that binds us - the reason why I
spend my time locally to help people is for
ubuntu, and also as a kind of payback to
Canonical because they have created a
magnificent piece of software. Not only them,
but they are for me one of the main forces
behind humanizing Linux! Credit to Mark
Shuttleworth for all that. Taking Ubuntu-be to
the graveyard doesn't seem the best way to help
and show a kind of gratitude.<br clear="none">
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Too many words written already, and hail to
he/she who came to this point. How to go
forward? Let's use 8D methodology and get this
going.<br clear="none">
1) Plan - revive Ubuntu-be and prevent it from
going quiet again<br clear="none">
2) The core-team members proposed, let me know
who disagrees or cannot pick up;<br clear="none">
a) kawabill<br clear="none">
b) nero<br clear="none">
c) Frank Neirynck<br clear="none">
d) Tom Verlinden<br clear="none">
e) Jan Bongaerts<br clear="none">
f) Merlijn Sebrechts<br clear="none">
g) Alain Daudrez<br clear="none">
3) The problem; Ubuntu-be is dying<br clear="none">
4) Temporary fix;<br clear="none">
aa) website is not upto date (whom can take
action and when?)<br clear="none">
bb) bank account needs to be corrected (to
open a new one I can pick up the action and can
have it done within two weeks, with regards to
the old one whom can get the responsible person
to help organize it such that we have multiple
Ubuntu-ers to get access and when?)<br clear="none">
cc) support point map - remove ghost
accounts and update or allow for updated
information (whom can take action and when?)<br clear="none">
dd) Limburg event box - Wouter, please drop
me an e-mail where I can come and pick it up and
get it into my storage garage)<br clear="none">
ee) Setup a web-meeting last Wednesday of
May (May 28th), we can use Skype, Google hangout
or maybe someone can help build Open Meeting for
Ubuntu (I don't mind planning and coordinating,
whom can help setup the technical side of it
all, Nero???)<br clear="none">
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Let's get this going before we start root-cause
analysis, and when need please team up where you
can. Myself I'm not really good at using Drupal,
I've build my own in HTML, but I sure could help
cleaning up and updating.<br clear="none">
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Your comments please?<br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr">Thanks for your info on this.
I've always thought that this certain
"somebody" should comprise out of more
than one person. One person can't take
this on his or her shoulders. There's
too much, from what i'm reading, for one
person to do and be succesfull about it.
There should be a team of somebodies,
all doing somewhat the same, but in
different locations. (Does that make
sense?) Is there a need for a central
organ? To me that makes it too
complicated already, and might create
expectations, that cannot be fullfilled.
Anyway, there's need, i guess to promote
ubuntu, as Bill said. Now we have to
figure out how to do this in a fun way,
i guess. </div>
<div class="yiv7868561819gmail_quote">Op 1 mei 2014
12:27 schreef "Jurgen Gaeremyn" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:jurgen.gaeremyn@pandora.be" target="_blank" href="mailto:jurgen.gaeremyn@pandora.be">jurgen.gaeremyn@pandora.be</a>>:<br clear="none">
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<div>Tom,<br clear="none">
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the strongest periods of Ubuntu-be
were when one single person
actually kept his shoulders under
the project. In the past we had a
few of these people. Thing is: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://ubuntu-be.org/">ubuntu-be.org</a>
should set clear expectations:
what (not) to expect: a spokesman,
the official stance of Ubuntu on
whatever Belgian activity,
guaranteed support, etc...<br clear="none">
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If someone stands up and is
prepared to take leadership, you
will quickly have a core team of
somewhere between 5 and 10 or even
more if you do a great job. If
you're willing to take up this
commitment, you'll be doing
Ubuntu-be a big favour. Problem
is, apparently this mythical
figure called "somebody" we're all
talking about and who'll do all
the practical stuff like maintain
the website, organise event
booths, create content, etc...
isn't on this list anymore. Not
sure if he ever was.<br clear="none">
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Please, do give it a chance. First
things first - canonical approval
is not a problem if you can prove
you're active. I'm assuming
someone here will be able to tell
you more details on this. <br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr">I don't know about
organizing a funeral just yet.
Maybe <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://ubuntu.be/">ubuntu.be</a>
could be a commonplace for those
using and or discovering ubuntu
but more in a fun sort of way.
Don't know if i'm saying this
right, but i think you get the
picture. There doesn't need to
be a central person or spokesman
imho. Makes it far too official.
The first goal should be, in my
humble opinion, to get people to
discover ubuntu. Maybe by
promoting this list we could get
more people discovering the os.
As far as i'm concerned, i use
ubuntu, talk about it and show
it to whoever i think might be
interrested, give support where
i can and drop leaflets in our
library. (They're also on
ubuntu. Woot!!)<br clear="none">
I think that if we do our part
any wich way we can, on our
little "islands", and use the
net, list as our "glue", who
knows what can happen in the
future? Is there still a
connection with canonical? How
does that work? Hell, typing
this gets me all fired up to
give this a chance. What do you
guys think? Give it some kind of
try, or just leave, and do
something on our own? (I think
we could achieve more together,
but i'd like to hear your
opinion). My 2 cents....</div>
<div class="yiv7868561819gmail_quote">Op 30
apr. 2014 07:30 schreef
"kawabill" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:kawabill@telenet.be" target="_blank" href="mailto:kawabill@telenet.be">kawabill@telenet.be</a>>:<br clear="none">
<blockquote class="yiv7868561819gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> What
triggered me was a mail I got
from someone in the community,
stating that he rather spent
his time otherwise, declining
an invitation I had sent him.
No problem of course, but it
took me to the following page;<br clear="none">
<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/IrcMeetings">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/IrcMeetings</a><br clear="none">
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No activities are visible for
me the visitor, going over the
pages it seems that the latest
info dates from 2012. I know
activities are still going on,
organized by enthusiasts on a
very local scale, but for me
it is not visible whether all
of this is coordinated.<br clear="none">
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I find it a pity, that in the
period where MS end of lifes
XP I don't see any coordinated
activity to get people over
into the Ubuntu/Mint/Linux
camp.<br clear="none">
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Can anyone please comment and
give feedback or let me know
I'm wrong and I seem to live
life on a desolate space
outside of the Ubuntu
community?<br clear="none">
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Have a nice day.<br clear="none">
Bill<br clear="none">
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