[Ubuntu-be] Ubuntu life in Belgium

Steven Leeman steven.leeman at gmail.com
Sat May 24 07:30:39 UTC 2014 

Ik wil ze gerust elke maand bezigen in cultureel centrum de leest om
linuxbabbel beter in de verf te zetten
Op 23-mei-2014 09:57 schreef "Wouter Vandenneucker" <woutervddn op gmail.com>:

> We hebben normaal 5 roll-ups,al denk ik dat er daar al enkele van vermist
> zijn.
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> Hier bij mij ligt nog 1 roll-up.
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> Grts
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> Wouter
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> 2014-05-21 23:36 GMT+02:00 Steven Leeman <steven.leeman op gmail.com>:
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>> Hoi,
>> Ik heb bij opstart van de linuxbabbel in izegem eens die rollups van
>> ubuntu.be gebruikt .. ze waren toen vers van de pers bij jan. Liggen die
>> daar nog altijd te liggen?
>> Persoonlijk heb ik nog wel wat stickers lanyards affiches bekomen via
>> pieter. Afgelopen dinsdag was er de maandelijkse babbel... oa ubuntu
>> 14.04... spijtig genoeg alleen de harde kern aanwezig.
>>
>> Mvg steven
>> Op 9-mei-2014 10:42 schreef "tom verlinden" <tom.verlinden op gmail.com>:
>>
>> A virtual meeting will do fine for me. Much easier to attend also. Now we
>>> need to know who will participate and on wich platform we'll be gathering.
>>> Maybe have a dry run a day or two in advance, to make sure everything runs
>>> smoothly.
>>> Op 9 mei 2014 09:37 schreef "Merlijn Sebrechts" <
>>> merlijn.sebrechts op gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> This date works for me, but since the others can't come... The weekends
>>>> around that time will be a problem for me too. I have finals till the 17 th
>>>> of June.
>>>>
>>>> I propose we do a virtual meeting on that day, and do an IRL meeting
>>>> after my finals, in a weekend?
>>>> Op 6 mei 2014 19:04 schreef "kawabill" <kawabill op telenet.be>:
>>>>
>>>>>  How could we best get together;
>>>>> 2) The core-team members proposed, let me know who disagrees or cannot
>>>>> pick up;
>>>>>     a) kawabill
>>>>>     b) nero
>>>>>     c) Frank Neirynck
>>>>>     d) Tom Verlinden
>>>>>     e) Jan Bongaerts
>>>>>     f) Merlijn Sebrechts
>>>>>     g) Alain Daudrez
>>>>>
>>>>> You are all invited to come to Houthalen on May 27th. Would this work
>>>>> for all of you?
>>>>>
>>>>> Rg
>>>>> William
>>>>>
>>>>> On 03-05-14 21:11, Merlijn Sebrechts wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Why not use them all? There are enough applications out there that
>>>>> let you post on multiple social media all at once...
>>>>>
>>>>> On a side note: I'm making a diaspora* node for hackerspace ghent.
>>>>> When it's finished, I'll also make an ubuntu-be group there, so we can hang
>>>>> out on our own, open source, trustable, distributed social platform...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2014-05-03 12:54 GMT+02:00 Alain Baudrez <a.baudrez op gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>>   I just had a look at the ubuntu-be page on Google+ -
>>>>>> https://plus.google.com/112197959490301022128/about?hl=nl - it is
>>>>>> idle. Even if we don't have the possibility to modify our website in the
>>>>>> near future, we could at least use the events options of our Google+ page
>>>>>> to announce what we plan to do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Same goes for our FB page -
>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/87950312093/ . There is a bit more
>>>>>> 'life' in the FB group, but nothing spectacular.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I noticed quite a lot op webpages like '10 things to do after
>>>>>> installing ubuntu 14.04'. We could at least translate (some of) those pages
>>>>>> into Dutch and French and post them on those two social media, It would be
>>>>>> a start.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  The main problem I see is which one we will be using.
>>>>>> With the 'rumours' of Google eventually downsizing or shutting down
>>>>>> their G+ social network, and on the other side some users not trusting
>>>>>> Facebook, which way must we go?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2014-05-03 11:29 GMT+02:00 Duray Pol <duraypol op gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Le 02/05/2014 14:26, Luc Rulkin a écrit :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Goede middag .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Een klein vraagje , van iemand die een paar jaar terug al een
>>>>>>> vraag stelde op t forum , zonder antwoord ..
>>>>>>> zeggen jullie nu : "wij zijn op stervens na dood ... ga naar
>>>>>>> Ubuntu.nl of Ubuntu.fr ?".
>>>>>>>  Is er een franstalige kant van ubuntu.be ?  Anders ga ik daar eens
>>>>>>> vragen wat ik kan doen.
>>>>>>> (oude acer met Vista Profess. zou ik willen proberen op Ubuntu)(ik
>>>>>>> ben geen It'er en heb wat aanwijzingen nodig)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  C'est tout !!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  MIVG Luc R
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Luc Rulkin
>>>>>>> Bergstraat 6
>>>>>>> B 9630  St Marie Latem (Zwalm)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is nothing worse than being talked about, that is not being
>>>>>>> talked about.
>>>>>>> (O Wilde)
>>>>>>>    On Friday, 2 May 2014, 12:25, tom verlinden
>>>>>>> <tom.verlinden op gmail.com> <tom.verlinden op gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Bill's proposal looks mighty fine to me. I'll get my thinking cap
>>>>>>> on and see what i  an come up with. Anybody having a problem with bill's
>>>>>>> proposal?
>>>>>>> Op 2 mei 2014 06:36 schreef "Jurgen Gaeremyn" <
>>>>>>> jurgen.gaeremyn op pandora.be>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  I think any of the hackerspaces will be willing to accomodate...
>>>>>>> people living near train stations on our group might too...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Possibly I can't be available myself (wife is pregnant and due for
>>>>>>> June 4th) but I'm pretty sure Hackerspace Brussels (hackerspace.be)
>>>>>>> would be glad to offer you a chair in the space or the garden...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Grtz,
>>>>>>> Jurgen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 01-05-14 23:08, Jan Bongaerts wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Real life meeting should still take preference over virtual
>>>>>>> meeting, if you ask me.
>>>>>>>  It's not all that hard to organise. Jurgen did it, I did it. They
>>>>>>> were all successful.
>>>>>>>  Just get to somewhere easily accessible by public transport.
>>>>>>>  Brussels is the best.
>>>>>>> Antwerp or Ghent might be a good option.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1 May 2014 22:51, Merlijn Sebrechts <merlijn.sebrechts op gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   aa) I can help with the website. I now a tiny bit of Drupal. If
>>>>>>> somebody can give me the right credentials, I could take a look at it next
>>>>>>> week. Mike Morraye knows more about the website, I think.
>>>>>>>  cc) same as aa)
>>>>>>>  ee) I think Google Hangouts is the best free option. If somebody
>>>>>>> has a sip server, we could also use a sip client like jitsi.org,
>>>>>>> which has excellent Ubuntu support.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Thanks for doing this wake-up call, kawabill!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  2014-05-01 21:40 GMT+02:00 kawabill <kawabill op telenet.be>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Hey I'm not alone on the island....! :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tom, you're right I think and I agree. It is not somebody we need,
>>>>>>> it is us. Also Juergen's proposal for having Ubuntu-be.org and setting
>>>>>>> clear expectations I agree with, this way we can prevent disappointment
>>>>>>> from and by others. Carrying Ubuntu-be to the funeral I would think is just
>>>>>>> a bit too early. From the reactions, at least 5-10 people are actively
>>>>>>> involved and able to help.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Using IRC is maybe just a little too much written words and I've got
>>>>>>> no clue how to get it to work reliably, I think we need to get together or
>>>>>>> at least get visual. For getting together there is the hacker space, the
>>>>>>> facilities in Houthalen an hack - even an old school room in Bree. Is there
>>>>>>> an open source alternative to Skype, allowing for a virtual meeting maybe
>>>>>>> (I saw Apache's Open Meeting)? Or what if we organise a chat/video
>>>>>>> conference from the 'local' events; Houthalen in Limburg, Hackerspace,
>>>>>>> Brugge - can we organize it maybe in such a way that it's all in sync; ie.
>>>>>>> every last Wednesday of the month (convenient for LImburg, as this is the
>>>>>>> gathering date already)?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) Do you want to help set up a booth at fosdem 2015? YES, if we can
>>>>>>> plan ahead I would think we can get the right and motivated people involved
>>>>>>> including this chap
>>>>>>>  2) Do you still use the website? If so, how? YES, but let's indeed
>>>>>>> make it such that people see activity - starting with filling the agenda
>>>>>>> showing the local activities for example
>>>>>>>  3) What information would you want to see on the new website?
>>>>>>> Haven't really given it a thought, but one thing for sure I would like to
>>>>>>> see and that is UP TO DATE information
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let's keep the ideas coming, I think getting around the bank account
>>>>>>> quickly is indeed opening a new one, and make it one that we can access and
>>>>>>> at least have some kind of redundancy. This as not to get stuck again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have to read and negotiate contracts all day, it would really be
>>>>>>> good if we could talk to each other, preferably face to face. This way we
>>>>>>> iterate in seconds rather than weeks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Finally; let's get the link into Canonical established and
>>>>>>> strengthened. I work for a large company and quite a large bunch is
>>>>>>> starting to use Ubuntu also on the desktop. Ubuntu Phone is a great idea
>>>>>>> and has huge potential, especially for cost savings. I checked how I could
>>>>>>> get our purchasing in contact easily, but believe me, Canonical is not
>>>>>>> going to sell the idea if they stick to how they have approached this up to
>>>>>>> now. I would think, certainly in Europe, they have a  wide enough network
>>>>>>> of enthusiasts and could easily bundle the network to get aggressive into
>>>>>>> offering savings to large and medium size companies. As far as I'm
>>>>>>> concerned I use the software that they have ubuntu-ed, it is this creation
>>>>>>> that binds us - the reason why I spend my time locally to help people is
>>>>>>> for ubuntu, and also as a kind of payback to Canonical because they have
>>>>>>> created a magnificent piece of software. Not only them, but they are for me
>>>>>>> one of the main forces behind humanizing Linux! Credit to Mark Shuttleworth
>>>>>>> for all that. Taking Ubuntu-be to the graveyard doesn't seem the best way
>>>>>>> to help and show a kind of gratitude.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Too many words written already, and hail to he/she who came to this
>>>>>>> point. How to go forward? Let's use 8D methodology and get this going.
>>>>>>> 1) Plan - revive Ubuntu-be and prevent it from going quiet again
>>>>>>> 2) The core-team members proposed, let me know who disagrees or
>>>>>>> cannot pick up;
>>>>>>>     a) kawabill
>>>>>>>     b) nero
>>>>>>>     c) Frank Neirynck
>>>>>>>     d) Tom Verlinden
>>>>>>>     e) Jan Bongaerts
>>>>>>>     f) Merlijn Sebrechts
>>>>>>>     g) Alain Daudrez
>>>>>>> 3) The problem; Ubuntu-be is dying
>>>>>>> 4) Temporary fix;
>>>>>>>     aa) website is not upto date (whom can take action and when?)
>>>>>>>     bb) bank account needs to be corrected (to open a new one I can
>>>>>>> pick up the action and can have it done within two weeks, with regards to
>>>>>>> the old one whom can get the responsible person to help organize it such
>>>>>>> that we have multiple Ubuntu-ers to get access and when?)
>>>>>>>     cc) support point map - remove ghost accounts and update or
>>>>>>> allow for updated information (whom can take action and when?)
>>>>>>>     dd) Limburg event box - Wouter, please drop me an e-mail where I
>>>>>>> can come and pick it up and get it into my storage garage)
>>>>>>>     ee) Setup a web-meeting last Wednesday of May (May 28th), we can
>>>>>>> use Skype, Google hangout or maybe someone can help build Open Meeting for
>>>>>>> Ubuntu (I don't mind planning and coordinating, whom can help setup the
>>>>>>> technical side of it all, Nero???)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let's get this going before we start root-cause analysis, and when
>>>>>>> need please team up where you can. Myself I'm not really good at using
>>>>>>> Drupal, I've build my own in HTML, but I sure could help cleaning up and
>>>>>>> updating.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your comments please?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 01-05-14 12:39, tom verlinden wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for your info on this. I've always thought that this certain
>>>>>>> "somebody" should comprise out of more than one person. One person can't
>>>>>>> take this on his or her shoulders. There's too much, from what i'm reading,
>>>>>>> for one person to do and be succesfull about it. There should be a team of
>>>>>>> somebodies, all doing somewhat the same, but in different locations. (Does
>>>>>>> that make sense?) Is there a need for a central organ? To me that makes it
>>>>>>> too complicated already, and might create expectations, that cannot be
>>>>>>> fullfilled. Anyway, there's need, i guess to promote ubuntu, as Bill said.
>>>>>>> Now we have to figure out how to do this in a fun way, i guess.
>>>>>>> Op 1 mei 2014 12:27 schreef "Jurgen Gaeremyn" <
>>>>>>> jurgen.gaeremyn op pandora.be>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Tom,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the strongest periods of Ubuntu-be were when one single person
>>>>>>> actually kept his shoulders under the project. In the past we had a few of
>>>>>>> these people. Thing is: ubuntu-be.org should set clear
>>>>>>> expectations: what (not) to expect: a spokesman, the official stance of
>>>>>>> Ubuntu on whatever Belgian activity, guaranteed support, etc...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If someone stands up and is prepared to take leadership, you will
>>>>>>> quickly have a core team of somewhere between 5 and 10 or even more if you
>>>>>>> do a great job. If you're willing to take up this commitment, you'll be
>>>>>>> doing Ubuntu-be a big favour. Problem is, apparently this mythical figure
>>>>>>> called "somebody" we're all talking about and who'll do all the practical
>>>>>>> stuff like maintain the website, organise event booths, create content,
>>>>>>> etc... isn't on this list anymore. Not sure if he ever was.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please, do give it a chance. First things first - canonical approval
>>>>>>> is not a problem if you can prove you're active. I'm assuming someone here
>>>>>>> will be able to tell you more details on this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Grtz,
>>>>>>> Jurgen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 01-05-14 12:11, tom verlinden wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know about organizing a funeral just yet. Maybe ubuntu.becould be a commonplace for those using and or discovering ubuntu but more
>>>>>>> in a fun sort of way. Don't know if i'm saying this right, but i think you
>>>>>>> get the picture. There doesn't need to be a central person or spokesman
>>>>>>> imho. Makes it far too official. The first goal should be, in my humble
>>>>>>> opinion, to get people to discover ubuntu. Maybe by promoting this list we
>>>>>>> could get more people discovering the os. As far as i'm concerned, i use
>>>>>>> ubuntu, talk about it and show it to whoever i think might be interrested,
>>>>>>> give support where i can and drop leaflets in our library. (They're also on
>>>>>>> ubuntu. Woot!!)
>>>>>>> I think that if we do our part any wich way we can, on our little
>>>>>>> "islands", and use the net, list as our "glue", who knows what can happen
>>>>>>> in the future? Is there still a connection with canonical? How does that
>>>>>>> work? Hell, typing this gets me all fired up to give this a chance. What do
>>>>>>> you guys think? Give it some kind of try, or just leave, and do something
>>>>>>> on our own? (I think we could achieve more together, but i'd like to hear
>>>>>>> your opinion). My 2 cents....
>>>>>>> Op 30 apr. 2014 07:30 schreef "kawabill" <kawabill op telenet.be>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What triggered me was a mail I got from someone in the community,
>>>>>>> stating that he rather spent his time otherwise, declining an invitation I
>>>>>>> had sent him. No problem of course, but it took me to the following page;
>>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/IrcMeetings
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No activities are visible for me the visitor, going over the pages
>>>>>>> it seems that the latest info dates from 2012. I know activities are still
>>>>>>> going on, organized by enthusiasts on a very local scale, but for me it is
>>>>>>> not visible whether all of this is coordinated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I find it a pity, that in the period where MS end of lifes XP I
>>>>>>> don't see any coordinated activity to get people over into the
>>>>>>> Ubuntu/Mint/Linux camp.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can anyone please comment and give feedback or let me know I'm wrong
>>>>>>> and I seem to live life on a desolate space outside of the Ubuntu community?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have a nice day.
>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> better option than trying to upgrade your hardware to accommodate a newer
>>>>>>> version of your current system.
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