[Ubuntu-be] CPR on the website

[martijn cielen]

I don't agree on the pride part. People who know me, know I'll never
use the word "Belgian" with pride. I'm Flemish and love the Walloon,
but I strongly oppose to the monster "Belgium". Well, so far with
politics, and let's not start a (civil) war ;-) That being made clear,
I don't think anything is wrong with a bit of chauvinism. If not even
Belgian loco uses Drupal, why should people in other countries use it?
(just asking)

I agree that doing something is better than doing nothing, and in
saying so, I applaude Wouter for sticking out his neck. On the other
hand, I know Wouter has a strong feeling Drupal is bad (I read his
tweets), and I strongly disagree.

Time is a problem for all of us, so I guess starting something from
scratch will take longer than updating (and maybe even upgrading) an
existing Drupal site, even though because of an already heavily
overloaded professional life (who ever said freelancers gain big
money?), I'll have too little time left to pick up unpaid work (hey,
even my slices of bread and water don't come fro free). I am hower
prepared to assist where possible.

To avoid further noise on the ML, however, I propose Wouter contacts
me to arrange for a 1/2-day introductory course in Drupal. If he still
only feels like vomiting whenever he hears Drupal after that, I'll
keep my mouth shut ;-)

M


On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Jan Bongaerts <jbongaerts at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Martijn,
> I think it would be lovely if you have some time to introduce the members of
> Wouter's team to Drupal. I'm sure they would be interested.
> However, overall it should be Wouter's baby.
> Up to you to convince him staying with Drupal is better than starting from
> scratch in html5.
>
> As for your argument that the Belgian LoCo should preferably stick to
> Belgian products, I only follow that thought half-heartedly. Such argument
> is based on pride, and pride is often more counterproductive and costly than
> what is achieved by it. A bit of pride is commendable, but it should not
> interfere with the end result.
>
> So, to sum up, Martijn, thanks for getting involved, and please do work with
> Wouter direct about incorporating Drupal into our site. If you feel that
> strongly about Drupal, I'm sure you won't struggle to convince Wouter and
> his team to embrace it too.
>
> But please don't let pride interfere with the end result: a proper web site
> that looks and feels good for the average user, that can easily be
> maintained by any successors in our community.
>
> Regards,
> Jan.
>
>
> On 20 March 2013 12:51, Jurgen Gaeremyn <jurgen.gaeremyn at pandora.be> wrote:
>>
>> On 20-03-13 11:58, martijn cielen wrote:
>>>
>>> Contrary to what Wouter wants us all to believe [ ;-) ], Drupal really
>>> isn't that hard. Au contraire. It's one of the easiest systems (being
>>> it an app, a cms or whatever) I've ever used in my 12 years as an ICT
>>> professional.
>>> I bet anyone in this mailing list can get the basics set up using
>>> Drupal in 1 day. The speciallekes will obviously take a little longer,
>>> but for anyone with decent php knowledge, this will be equally
>>> hard/easy to do in Drupal as in raw php as in any other framework.
>>>
>>> Maybe I should organise an introductory course to Drupal...
>>>
>>> M
>>
>> Wow... that's great! We found ourselves a volunteer! :)
>>
>> We've been asking for volunteers to maintain the website half a dozen of
>> times on the mailinglist in the last few years (though admittedly, I guess
>> we dindn't repeat that question the last half year). Nobody stood up and
>> offered his/her help on it.
>>
>> If you want to work on the system in Drupal... by all means. I think we
>> would all be happy if you did.
>> If you want to teach Wouter how to do it... then Wouter has to agree this
>> is okay for him.
>>
>> It's way to easy to say what the ideal path is... and we all agree it
>> would be best to have a Drupal-guru working on the website. But we didn't
>> find him up to present. Now don't go shooting Wouter for sticking out his
>> neck and actually doing *something* (which is better than doing nothing the
>> perfect way)
>>
>> Grtz,
>> Jurgen.
>>
>>
>>
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