[Ubuntu-be] Ubuntu-be IRC meeting 26/08/2009 at 21 h. cancelled

Andy Airey airey.andy at gmail.com
Fri Aug 28 16:05:51 BST 2009

As a student organisation (and not beeing a vzw) it is fairly easy to get
sponsors, cheap insurance and even free bank accounts (KBC Bank &
Verzekeringen). I wouldn't see why that would not be possible with a
"Feitelijke Vereniging" like ubuntu-be, as the student organisations I've
been with are "Feitelijke Verenigingen". Let me know if i have to check this
with my contact. But I'm leaving on holiday tonight and this is a quick
reply so can't do it today.

As for IRC, I personally think it is good to have active discussions about
things that cannot be done cleanly in the mailing list. It makes things go
alot faster. A forum will have the exact effect of a mailing-list.
I would even propose SIP conference calls ...

On the other hand, one communication channel should be enough to discuss
topics. (No desperate need for 2 seperate fora, or a forum AND
We can handle things in the mailing list just as well. The problem is it's
widely posted to the web (for some topics) and it is slower, less active.
Beeing less active makes the people more lazy regarding replying and such.

This is just my opinion :)

I can live with anything but 2 fora seems a bit exagurated.


2009/8/28 Jan Claeys <ubuntu at janc.be>

> Op vrijdag 28-08-2009 om 10:37 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Alain
> Baudrez:
> > I created the VZW 'Vlavenier vzw' (http://nierpatient.be ) a few years
> > back and running a VZW is not such a hard task. Major advantages of
> > the VZW are (following in Dutch):
> > - Open boekhouding voor alle leden ter inzage. Met leden wordt bedoeld
> > zij die lid uitmaken van het bestuur, niet de andere leden.
> http://ubuntu-be.org/nl/content/financial-information
> We can't be more "open" than that.  ;)
> > - Scheiding tussen prive en VZW vermogen. Alfeitelijke vereniging kan
> > je als persoon aangegaan worden en kun je veroordeeld worden om koste
> > uit je zak te betalen
> Only if there are debts of course (we have > 1700 € on our bank account
> now, and don't plan/need to make any debts).
> Also, the founders & board members of a "vzw" can be forced to pay too,
> if a debt is the result of them not doing their job correctly.
> > - Het hebben van een verzekering voor je leden. Als nu iemand zijn
> > been breekt op de parking van een Dipro site, dan moet ie zelf voor de
> > kosten opdraaien. Onze VZW had daarvoor bij Ethias een verzekering.
> > Hoe verzeker je vrijwilligers als feitelijke vereniging?
> Go to an insurance broker / bank / ... with 2 people from ubuntu-be and
> ask for an insurance?  (Insurance is somewhat cheaper for a vzw though.)
> Might be a good idea to ask around how much that would cost...
> > - Sponsors komen makkelijker af op een VZW omdat je als
> > 'rechtspersoon' met een BTW nummer voor hen een normale partner bent,
> > en sponsoring dan ook volledig legaal en transparant wordt.
> We already have sponsoring, but if we ever need more, and that's an
> issue, it might be a reason to become a vzw.
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> Jan Claeys
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