[Ubuntu-be] Nieuw lid.

[Bram Biesbrouck]

Op maandag 24 juli 2006 19:12, schreef Adriaan Leynse:
> There are as far as I know no distro's that provide flash in an easy
> way... And this is meant for newbies right. An ogg/theora can simply
> be download-and-opened in like every distro.

apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree

Works just fine, but that's not the issue here.
Try watching a theora/vorbis stream from a fresh windows install, that doesn't 
work either.
When streaming media, it's about choices. Personally, FLV gives me the best 
compression-rate on the market (sigh, my own codec gives me a better one, but 
unfortunately, open standards don't seem to divergate very quickly ;-)).
FYI, I'm paying for all of this myself. Yes, that means, a few couple of 
hundred euros a month to get this service in the air, plus the costs for the 
servers, maintenance, not to mention my salary for the past year I've been 
working on this project.
Oh, sponsors, I hear you say? Forget it, I knocked on several doors and the 
most positive answer you get is: "This is very interesting, try coming back 
in a few months when things are rolling out...".
I don't know what you know about bandwidth fees (we're talking 800x600 
streaming video here), but here in Europe, bandwidth is expensive, so I need 
the best compression because every streamed video file adds to that pipe that 
gets clogged up.
For now, FLV is my only solution, unless you know some people that can offer 
me a 10Mbit uplink as a sponsorship-deal.

Sorry for this agressive attitude, but I'm getting sick of people complaining 
and telling me what to do.

b.

> 2006/7/24, Bram Biesbrouck <b at beligum.org>:
> > Op maandag 24 juli 2006 16:46, schreef Marc Portier:
> > > Toni Van Remortel wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 2006-07-19 at 21:35 +0200, Bram Biesbrouck wrote:
> > > >> Will flash 9 be available for these systems?
> > > >
> > > > Actually, that should not be the question. Flash might be an open
> > > > standard to use, most times you are bound to Macromedia to be able to
> > > > use it on the client side.
> > > > As you tend to provide an open source solution, please follow your
> > > > own way of thinking, and use a real open standard that doesn't depend
> > > > on any manufacturer.
> > > >
> > > > Flash might be the easiest way to solve your problem, but it
> > > > certainly doesn't fit in the open source way of thinking.
> > > > Sad, but true.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > >
> > > uhuh,
> > >
> > > regarding this discussion about what 'The Question' is, I couldn't help
> > > thinking about what president Kennedy once said:
> > >
> > > "don't ask what America can do for you, but what you can do for
> > > America"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > which easily brings me to other (more pragmatic) aspects of life that
> > > have been attributed to the 'The Open Source Way" as well
> > >
> > > - doing the simpliest thing that will possibly work, and no simpler
> > > - timtowdi
> > > - if you have an itch: scratch it
> > > - ...
> > >
> > >
> > > and to me the question at hand is equally valid and interesting as e.g.
> > > - will cygnus run well on windows vista?
> > > - will open-office keep handling future ms documents coirrectly?
> > >
> > >
> > > just to be clear, I'm completely aligning with your statements 'in
> > > principle' However I just as easily align with the chosen 'tactics' for
> > > targeting flash (put differently: no itch with that over here)
> >
> > Let me jump in here and explain my reasons for choosing flash (or, more
> > specifically, FLV) as a transport-protocol (because that's what it is to
> > me). I developed my own lossless codec and fileformat container for the
> > Instrudeo project. Because of this, and because the format/codec is
> > exactly suited for all the things I need to do with it, technically, the
> > performance and file-sized I get from it are great. Just for a reference:
> > I can save a 30min, 800x600x24 screen video, commented and all, in a file
> > of about 60 MB. This is pretty great to me, since it's just what I need:
> > good streaming performance, small disk size and intermediate seek-times.
> > All of this is out there in the open, and I'm willing to explain the
> > technology I used to everyone; it's all GPL'd.
> > The underlying specs of the codec and format aren't that difficult and
> > rocket-scienty, but, again, it does exactly what I need it to do.
> >
> > Now, by choosing FLV as my delivery method, I get a lot:
> > - A technology that doesn't differ very much from my own standard (so,
> > easily portable).
> > - A viewer that's most widely penetrated in the computer-world. (let the
> > flamewars begin)
> > - A community-enabled streaming server with an active development-team,
> > that I enjoy communicating with (Red5).
> > - I can go on like this, but let's stop here.
> >
> > The drawback is, indeed, that the format isn't GPL-compatible.
> > But, I don't need that, it's just an intermediate form of transporting
> > pixels to a client-computer, and like I said, by using this format, I'm
> > guaranteed that *most* of my viewers will get the pixels delivered to
> > them. Like you guys told me before, some 64bit platforms will get in
> > trouble (and probably Solaris, HP-UX, etc too, I don't know), but, to my
> > defence, when choosing a transport protocol, you are *always* shutting
> > people out. Remember the days that you had to install the TCP/IP stack
> > before you could go onto the internet? Or even more recently, I guess
> > _everybody's_ mobile phone has the Bluetooth stack installed?
> > Indeed, I'm very sorry I'm shutting people out by choosing for FLV, and I
> > will try to offer the streams in more formats in the future (by the way,
> > everyone can convert my isd format to any other format using ScreenKast),
> > but FLV is the way I will go, for now.
> >
> > > -marc= (who gets nervous when open source is claimed to be a (more)
> > > dogmatic and/or moral Way of Anything. IMHO the movement has more then
> > > enough merits on the level of honest common sense, simple pragmatics
> > > and pure effectiveness that it can do well without the various attempts
> > > at replacing Religion :-)  Let it not close our eyes to reality...)
> >
> > I think I'd like to contradict this, since I do am a (heavy) open-source
> > believer. Every since I read Stallman's GNU Philosophy and ESR's
> > Cathedral and the Bazaar (must have been 1999), I truly believe
> > open-source is the right future for any software development. But I guess
> > I'm more of a open source-adept then I'm a free-software one. Differently
> > put, Bruce Perens says more to me then Richard Stallman...
> >
> > b.
> >
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