[Ubuntu-BD] ``সফটওয়্যার মুক্তি দিবস – ২০১১” তে বাংলাদেশে উৎসব আয়োজন

Thu Sep 22 13:19:45 UTC 2011

Hello everyone,

I have not been very vocal lately. Time has come to break the silence and speak up.

Following Mouyoukh and Masnun bhai's mail a thought trickled my mind. I was wondering what might be the reasons behind the ranting (Yes I am not saying that one party attacks blindly when the other party just sits idle. Clap needs two hands to make a sound). Beside Masnun bhai's well constructed reasons, I find some more reasons which **might** have something to do with these constant flaming that's happening lately.

The issues being :

Dubious language. Really, no-one here is reluctant enough not to understand the shortcomings and cons of Linux that needs blatant praise by outlandish language. The blind outlandish language that often gets used is annoying enough let alone the tone. Often unreasoned allegory being brought up too (Someone brought up caretaker govt issue in this very topic).Lack of tolerance is one of the main reasons this is happening. When we start something groundbreaking (namely, getting involved with FOSS here) we should be rational.
Lack of ubiquity. Back in early 2009 when Bangladeshi Linux groups counts only handful of few and knowledge was nurtured and youngsters were brought up, everyone had a surreal sense of ubiquity. That is truly and surely, gone.No moderation at all. I know there had been mishap. But the way moderators let go off any rules and regulation is saddening, truth be told. If someone is busy, there could be a stop gap solution.Putting up unnecessary data is very **disgusting** . We really do not want to know whose language skill is in which level or who is the member of where. That looks more like hefty self endorsement than a nifty signature. Churns gets included on a cosy mail every now and then in this list that those need not mentioning. We all should learn how to deliver concise, sharp speech.Last but not the least, there is acute lack of unified goal. One starts an organization , one starts criticizing, one dubbed one as "procrastinator" ........ List goes on...... Where is it ultimately heading? Nowhere. Quite simply, in vain. The realization needs to be there that this is not the way our oldfather wanted us to be.
Vamoosing , ranting, swearing , cursing gets nobody to nowhere. The unity, peace and sense of reliability is crucial for a movement of this magnitude to be successful.

Let's discuss honestly what do we want, how can we achieve it and let's be unified. Godspeed.

Nirjhor - Co-Founder : http://www.extradroid.com

From: maSnun <masnun at gmail.com>
To: Ubuntu Bangladesh <ubuntu-bd at lists.ubuntu.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 at 6:11 pm
Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-BD] ``সফটওয়্যার মুক্তি দিবস – ২০১১” তে বাংলাদেশে উৎসব আয়োজন

A very well thought email by Shahriar vai.

First of all, I appreciate the events organized by FOSSBD. Something is

better than nothing.

But the events organized by FOSSBD are actually much better than just

"something". They're doing pretty good. The only point they are lacking is

public relations.

I am not against FOSSBD, no one else is. If we were not Linux enthusiasts,

we would not stay subscribed to this mailing list so long. We all are on the

same boat. When an email comes to the group inviting to an event or

summarizing the achievements of an event, questions may come. In fact those

emails are sent to the group to interact with the members of the group. We

shouldn't always expect praise and appreciation. We should accept

**constructive** criticism as well. If you want to promote an event through

a public mailing list, you should have the courtesy as well.

I am probably the person who has written most emails with questions and

criticism. I have been vocal against the price issues, news mismatch,

slogans etc. I have never flamed blindly, I have tried to provide some

alternatives as well. But looks like the criticisms are not being accepted

well. My queries are being replied with offense, being taken as aggressive

gestures. Personal attacks follow. The worst thing I notice is the attitude

-- "I am doing it all, so you can't criticize me or my work". I have

appreciated the installation booth, I have called the revised pricing scheme

fair but people are still not convinced.

Constant flaming has become a regular phenomenon in the mailing list. I have

identified a few reasons :-

-- Personal disliking and disputes

-- Lack of openness (people don't want to admit that they are wrong, I will

never say I made a mistake)

-- Thinking others stupid and less knowledgeable or effective (I have been

told to **study** several times as if I didn't know anything, I have been

blamed inactive once)

-- No explicit guidelines and moderation from Ubuntu BD team. We know Shabab

vai once started an initiative of small signatures, still we see some people

don't give a damn to those.

There are several other issues. But it is obvious that these flamings are

not going to take us anywhere. I am requesting the moderators to go for

moderation and state some community guidelines.

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Abu Ashraf Masnun | +8801711960803 | http://masnun.com <http://masnun.com>

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