[Ubuntu-BD] Bengali Machine Translation Engine

Sat Jan 31 15:39:09 GMT 2009

Great Lenin Vai. I don´t have any idea about a Machine Translation Engine,
but looks like you have. So why don´t start planning about this project?
Open a thread and tell us about your plan. Rest of us will glad to help you
with this.

On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 4:42 PM, 9el <lenin at phpxperts.net> wrote:

> For these sort of projects UNDP provides aids I guess.
>
> @Shabab Mustafa : Instead of getting frustrated, we need to reach everyone.
> Not everyone in these lists represent whole bangladesh/Bangalis. So, we
> must
> reach everyone. And in doing so we shall find the best guys to work with.
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Shabab Mustafa <shabab.mustafa at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Yes. That is one of the live examples that Jamil bhai gave. I was trying
> to
> > point out these kind of crisis situations that we already have observed
> in
> > some OS projects. I think, efficient project management is more important
> > and comes first for potential contributor hunting and keep them alive to
> do
> > research, study, design work plan etc etc. That was and is my point of
> > view.
> >
> >
> > And I am having at a cautious stance because our past history says, what
> > ever heats up fast, cools down faster.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Jamil Ahmed <itsjamil at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Friends,
> > >
> > > Sorry for late response. I think we don't know what is out there
> > > already. IIRC we have already mailed to different mailing lists about
> > > ankur's english to bengali dictionary and machine translator project.
> > > Very few people showed interest to work actively on it. Probably we
> > > could not reach the potential contributors yet! :)
> > >
> > > Anyway, you can check the url below. Golam Mortuza Hossainm [gmhossain
> > > at gmail dot com] is leading the project. If you are interested to
> > > work/study you can mail him directly.
> > >
> > > http://anubadok.sourceforge.net/index.htm
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > -Jamil
> > >
> > >
> > > 2009/1/31 9el <lenin at phpxperts.net>:
> > > > Thats what my point is. There's no reason to be afraid thinking that
> > > > Automatic/Machine translation gonna be real hard job to accomplish.
> And
> > > > there's no saying Bangali people are worthless. And this is one of
> the
> > > main
> > > > tasks Bangali people should do.
> > > >
> > > > Yes you may go like, "WHAT IS EVERYBODY'S TASK IS NOBODY'S TASK". We
> > just
> > > > need a plan. Bangali nation maybe a little slow learner. But everyone
> > > > learns.
> > > >
> > > > Bangla being the most honored languages being the only language to
> have
> > > > martyrs. 21st February being regarded as the International
> Mothertongue
> > > Day
> > > > are enough reasons to plead for this task to start this work as
> > > immediately
> > > > as possible. There can be no reason saying its too early to start!
> What
> > > we
> > > > lack? point them together!
> > > > What are our plus points? point them together!
> > > >
> > > > Be positive and contribute your positive thoughts related to this to
> > > > everywhere and encourage, motivate all sorts of people for this. This
> > > wont
> > > > require 150 million Bangladeshi to accomplish the task. Take examples
> > of
> > > > other successful such works. Do comparative study. Its a doable task!
> > > >
> > > > And localization is nothing like machine translation at all.
> > > > Localization/Internationalization is allotting the proper phrases for
> > > preset
> > > > phrases in English or other starter languages. And machine
> translation
> > is
> > > > not a final task as well. If you use Google Translate you'll see that
> > > they
> > > > take your opinion on every translation made by the engine.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 3:14 AM, tanjir <orko_147 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I somewhat agree with Shabab about the complexity of the project.
> Ast
> > > the
> > > >> same time as Lenin vaiya is saying I also think we need to start. As
> > it
> > > is
> > > >> not a test, and there is no harm in trying, we can definitely start.
> > > There
> > > >> might be failures, but hey! success never comes so easily!
> > > >> After I saw the debate, I did a 15 minute research to find out how
> > > really
> > > >> this thing works. Most probably all of you are talking about Machine
> > > >> Translation. Yahoo or Altavista's translation engine is called
> Systran
> > > which
> > > >> won't be very effective in translating Bengali (even though they
> claim
> > > to
> > > >> support Hindi). Another recent approach which is called Statistical
> > > Machine
> > > >> Translation (Google Translator) will solve the problems of
> translating
> > > from
> > > >> rice to "chal" or "dhan" depending on the use and other issues
> > (phrases,
> > > >> proverbs, structural problems and so on).
> > > >> OpenLogos or Apertium are the open source Machine Translation (not
> > > >> statistical) projects available with source code (as usual). Those
> who
> > > are
> > > >> interested can start from downloading the source codes and see how
> > they
> > > are
> > > >> working for other languages.
> > > >> I am not sure how many of you have access to IEEE and ACM digital
> > > >> libraries. I found thousands of articles and journals on this topic.
> > >  Also
> > > >> there is a nice website with tons of information:
> > > http://www.statmt.org/So I think instead of fighting on this topic, if
> > we
> > > can start researching
> > > >> and organizing ourselves to start working, then it will give us more
> > > >> jack-fruit (or mango- whatever you like) or we will end up being
> > > >> another-jack-asses or jack-cows or jack monkeys. Don't know if it
> > > helped;
> > > >> just my 2 poisha.
> > > >>
> > > >> -----
> > > >>
> > > >> tanjir
> > > >>
> > > >> visit http://www.tanjir.net
> > > >>
> > > >> --- On Fri, 1/30/09, Shabab Mustafa <shabab.mustafa at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >> From: Shabab Mustafa <shabab.mustafa at gmail.com>
> > > >> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-BD] [ot] digg like
> > > >> To: "Ubuntu Bangladesh" <ubuntu-bd at lists.ubuntu.com>
> > > >> Received: Friday, January 30, 2009, 3:40 PM
> > > >>
> > > >> >
> > > >> > আপনার কথায় মনে হচ্ছে
> > > >> সর্বস্তরের বাঙালি এতো
> > > >> বৃহদায়তন প্রজেক্ট শুরু করার
> > > >> মতো
> > > >> > পরিপক্ক নয়। এটা উবুন্তু
> > > >> বাংলাদেশ বা স্বেচ্ছাসেবকদের
> > > >> প্রতি আহবান নয়। এটা
> > > >> > কারো
> > > >> > একার কাজ নয়। একার পক্ষে
> > > >> সম্ভবও নয়। ১২ বছরের শিশুরা
> > > >> অংশগ্রহণ করতে মানা নেই।
> > > >> > সব পর্যায়ের সবাইকেই কীভাবে
> > > >> এগুনো যায় ভাবতে হবে।
> > > >> >
> > > >> > আর যদি মনে করেন না এরা তো
> > > >> পাঠানদের মতো পরাটা খায়না, তাই
> > > >> পেস বোলিং সম্ভব নয়।
> > > >> > তাহলে আলু পরাটা খেয়ে বাংলা
> > > >> অনুবাদের উপায় শেখার
> > > >> প্রশিক্ষণ নিতে পারে সবাই।
> > > >> > কাদের কাছে নেবে বলুন তো?
> > > >> আংরেজ? জার্মান? রুশ?
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> ভাইজান, আমার ধারণা আমরা একই
> > > >> রাস্তায় হাঁটছি না। এখানে করতে
> > > >> পারবে কি পারবে না
> > > >> সে তর্ক কোথা থেকে আসছে? আবারও
> > > >> বলছি আমার কথার মূল পয়েন্টা
> > > >> হচ্ছে আগে আমাদের
> > > >> কিছু ছোট-মাঝারি মানের
> > > >> প্রজেক্ট চালিয়ে অভিজ্ঞতা
> > > >> সঞ্চয় করে নিয়ে প্রস্তুত হয়ে
> > > >> তারপর বড় কাজে হাত দেয়া দরকার।
> > > >>
> > > >> পেস বোলিং তো অনেকেই করে।
> > > >> তাদের মধ্যে থেকে কয়জন
> > > >> ম্যাকগ্রা, ওয়াসিম, ব্রেট লি
> > > >> বের হয়? আর আপনার কি ধারণা এরা
> > > >> বাংলা সিনেমার মত রাতে ঘুমিয়ে
> > > >> ছিল আর সকালে উঠেই
> > > >> দেখেছে দুনিয়া সেরা পেস বোলার
> > > >> হয়ে গেছে?
> > > >>
> > > >> আবার পরোটা না খেলেও যেমন পেস
> > > >> বোলার হওয়া যায় তেমনি পরোটা
> > > >> খানেওয়ালা হলেই পেস
> > > >> বোলার হয় না।
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