[Ubuntu-BD] Bengali Machine Translation Engine

Sat Jan 31 08:44:11 GMT 2009

Yes. That is one of the live examples that Jamil bhai gave. I was trying to
point out these kind of crisis situations that we already have observed in
some OS projects. I think, efficient project management is more important
and comes first for potential contributor hunting and keep them alive to do
research, study, design work plan etc etc. That was and is my point of view.

And I am having at a cautious stance because our past history says, what
ever heats up fast, cools down faster.

On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Jamil Ahmed <itsjamil at gmail.com> wrote:

> Friends,
>
> Sorry for late response. I think we don't know what is out there
> already. IIRC we have already mailed to different mailing lists about
> ankur's english to bengali dictionary and machine translator project.
> Very few people showed interest to work actively on it. Probably we
> could not reach the potential contributors yet! :)
>
> Anyway, you can check the url below. Golam Mortuza Hossainm [gmhossain
> at gmail dot com] is leading the project. If you are interested to
> work/study you can mail him directly.
>
> http://anubadok.sourceforge.net/index.htm
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamil
>
>
> 2009/1/31 9el <lenin at phpxperts.net>:
> > Thats what my point is. There's no reason to be afraid thinking that
> > Automatic/Machine translation gonna be real hard job to accomplish. And
> > there's no saying Bangali people are worthless. And this is one of the
> main
> > tasks Bangali people should do.
> >
> > Yes you may go like, "WHAT IS EVERYBODY'S TASK IS NOBODY'S TASK". We just
> > need a plan. Bangali nation maybe a little slow learner. But everyone
> > learns.
> >
> > Bangla being the most honored languages being the only language to have
> > martyrs. 21st February being regarded as the International Mothertongue
> Day
> > are enough reasons to plead for this task to start this work as
> immediately
> > as possible. There can be no reason saying its too early to start! What
> we
> > lack? point them together!
> > What are our plus points? point them together!
> >
> > Be positive and contribute your positive thoughts related to this to
> > everywhere and encourage, motivate all sorts of people for this. This
> wont
> > require 150 million Bangladeshi to accomplish the task. Take examples of
> > other successful such works. Do comparative study. Its a doable task!
> >
> > And localization is nothing like machine translation at all.
> > Localization/Internationalization is allotting the proper phrases for
> preset
> > phrases in English or other starter languages. And machine translation is
> > not a final task as well. If you use Google Translate you'll see that
> they
> > take your opinion on every translation made by the engine.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 3:14 AM, tanjir <orko_147 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I somewhat agree with Shabab about the complexity of the project. Ast
> the
> >> same time as Lenin vaiya is saying I also think we need to start. As it
> is
> >> not a test, and there is no harm in trying, we can definitely start.
> There
> >> might be failures, but hey! success never comes so easily!
> >> After I saw the debate, I did a 15 minute research to find out how
> really
> >> this thing works. Most probably all of you are talking about Machine
> >> Translation. Yahoo or Altavista's translation engine is called Systran
> which
> >> won't be very effective in translating Bengali (even though they claim
> to
> >> support Hindi). Another recent approach which is called Statistical
> Machine
> >> Translation (Google Translator) will solve the problems of translating
> from
> >> rice to "chal" or "dhan" depending on the use and other issues (phrases,
> >> proverbs, structural problems and so on).
> >> OpenLogos or Apertium are the open source Machine Translation (not
> >> statistical) projects available with source code (as usual). Those who
> are
> >> interested can start from downloading the source codes and see how they
> are
> >> working for other languages.
> >> I am not sure how many of you have access to IEEE and ACM digital
> >> libraries. I found thousands of articles and journals on this topic.
>  Also
> >> there is a nice website with tons of information:
> http://www.statmt.org/So I think instead of fighting on this topic, if we
> can start researching
> >> and organizing ourselves to start working, then it will give us more
> >> jack-fruit (or mango- whatever you like) or we will end up being
> >> another-jack-asses or jack-cows or jack monkeys. Don't know if it
> helped;
> >> just my 2 poisha.
> >>
> >> -----
> >>
> >> tanjir
> >>
> >> visit http://www.tanjir.net
> >>
> >> --- On Fri, 1/30/09, Shabab Mustafa <shabab.mustafa at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> From: Shabab Mustafa <shabab.mustafa at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-BD] [ot] digg like
> >> To: "Ubuntu Bangladesh" <ubuntu-bd at lists.ubuntu.com>
> >> Received: Friday, January 30, 2009, 3:40 PM
> >>
> >> >
> >> > আপনার কথায় মনে হচ্ছে
> >> সর্বস্তরের বাঙালি এতো
> >> বৃহদায়তন প্রজেক্ট শুরু করার
> >> মতো
> >> > পরিপক্ক নয়। এটা উবুন্তু
> >> বাংলাদেশ বা স্বেচ্ছাসেবকদের
> >> প্রতি আহবান নয়। এটা
> >> > কারো
> >> > একার কাজ নয়। একার পক্ষে
> >> সম্ভবও নয়। ১২ বছরের শিশুরা
> >> অংশগ্রহণ করতে মানা নেই।
> >> > সব পর্যায়ের সবাইকেই কীভাবে
> >> এগুনো যায় ভাবতে হবে।
> >> >
> >> > আর যদি মনে করেন না এরা তো
> >> পাঠানদের মতো পরাটা খায়না, তাই
> >> পেস বোলিং সম্ভব নয়।
> >> > তাহলে আলু পরাটা খেয়ে বাংলা
> >> অনুবাদের উপায় শেখার
> >> প্রশিক্ষণ নিতে পারে সবাই।
> >> > কাদের কাছে নেবে বলুন তো?
> >> আংরেজ? জার্মান? রুশ?
> >>
> >>
> >> ভাইজান, আমার ধারণা আমরা একই
> >> রাস্তায় হাঁটছি না। এখানে করতে
> >> পারবে কি পারবে না
> >> সে তর্ক কোথা থেকে আসছে? আবারও
> >> বলছি আমার কথার মূল পয়েন্টা
> >> হচ্ছে আগে আমাদের
> >> কিছু ছোট-মাঝারি মানের
> >> প্রজেক্ট চালিয়ে অভিজ্ঞতা
> >> সঞ্চয় করে নিয়ে প্রস্তুত হয়ে
> >> তারপর বড় কাজে হাত দেয়া দরকার।
> >>
> >> পেস বোলিং তো অনেকেই করে।
> >> তাদের মধ্যে থেকে কয়জন
> >> ম্যাকগ্রা, ওয়াসিম, ব্রেট লি
> >> বের হয়? আর আপনার কি ধারণা এরা
> >> বাংলা সিনেমার মত রাতে ঘুমিয়ে
> >> ছিল আর সকালে উঠেই
> >> দেখেছে দুনিয়া সেরা পেস বোলার
> >> হয়ে গেছে?
> >>
> >> আবার পরোটা না খেলেও যেমন পেস
> >> বোলার হওয়া যায় তেমনি পরোটা
> >> খানেওয়ালা হলেই পেস
> >> বোলার হয় না।
> >> --
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> >> ubuntu-bd at lists.ubuntu.com
> >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bd
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >
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