Distributing Java

[John Dong]

On a side note (you seem like a Java-knowledgeable person), WHY IS
ECLIPSE+GIJ4 SO SLOW?!?!?!

On 10/17/05, Stephan Hermann <sh at sourcecode.de> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Am Montag, den 17.10.2005, 17:16 -0400 schrieb John Dong:
> >
> >
> > On 10/17/05, Stephan Hermann <sh at sourcecode.de> wrote:
> > Hi John,
> >
> > Am Montag, den 17.10.2005, 16:21 -0400 schrieb John Dong:
> >
> > >
> > > The users needs to download the package themselves,
> > because
> > > sun
> > > insists that the users sees the licence agreement.
> > It is
> > > therefore
> > > perhaps not legal to redistribute a direct download
> > link (I am
> > > not a
> > > lawyer, but better safe than sorry, imo)
> > >
> > > No, it's not, but it's legal to do it Gentoo's way, which is
> > to have
> > > the user download the .bin from Sun, tell Portage where it's
> > located,
> > > and then Portage works much like java-package, showing the
> > license
> > > agreement before unpacking and installing into the system.
> >
> > Where did you see that Gentoo is downloading automatically the
> > java sdk?
> >
> > I'm not saying it's automatically downloaded -- I said the user
> > downloads the .bin for Portage.
>
> Sorry..I was reading it like "downloads automatically" ... forget what I
> was saying.
>
> >
> >
> >
> > And where did you see suns java in OpenSuse?
> >
> >
> http://mirrors.kernel.org/opensuse/distribution/SL-10.0-OSS/inst-source-java/suse/i586/java-1_5_0-sun-1.5.0_03-2.i586.rpm
>
> This is SuSE :) Not OpenSuSE...Novell has special deals with sun :(
>
> On the novell website is written:
>
> "The SUSE distributions all include one of the Sun Java Runtime
> Environments (JRE) as part of a default installation, with SUSE Linux
> Enterprise Server additionally installing the IBM Java SDK. As expected,
> each distribution also complements these defaults with further
> development kits and Java tools as part of the available software."
>
>
> The package you pointed out is is the JRE, and the license is telling us
> (inside the package):
>
> "When you deploy an application written in the Java programming
> language, your software bundle will probably consist of the following
> parts:
>
> Your own class, resource, and data files.
> A runtime environment.
> An installation procedure or program.
>
> You already have the first part, of course. The remainder of this
> document covers the other two parts. See also the Notes for Developers
> page on the Java Software website:
>
> http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/runtime.html
> "
>
> The last URL tells us this:
>
> "If you package the Java 2 Runtime Environment with your application
> software, the license requires that you redistribute it in its entirety
> except for some optional files which you may choose not to redistribute.
> The files that are optional are listed in the README. They are for
> functionality such as internationalization and localization which your
> particular application may or may not need. If your software needs these
> optional components, they are there for you to redistribute. If you
> don't need them, there's no requirement for you to include them in your
> redistribution of the Java 2 Runtime Environment."
>
>
> So you're able to redistribute JRE without any permissions, but
> regarding the License Policy of Debian and or Ubuntu, I don't think that
> closed software is an option to redistribute.
>
>
> >
> > and 1.4.x, too. Those are full Java RPMS, different from Sun's
> > official ones, and do NOT present the Sun license during installation
> > (unless it's like buried 500 pages into the license agreement).
> >
> >
> > I can it see only in rpm backports server like
> > packman.iu-bremen.de/suse/10.0/ <http://packman.iu-bremen.de/suse/10.0/>
> >
> > The buyable distro of Suse is different. SuSE Distribution is
> > not
> > entirely free to redistribute, which means, Sun JDK/JRE is not
> > allowed
> > to redistribute, which is why it is on a different CD.
> >
> > But Novell offers the ENTIRE RETAIL ISO (binary identical to the
> > retail box minus tech support and paper manuals) for download via
> > torrents and all SuSE mirrors.
>
> But they're not redistributing the JDK, only the JRE, and this because
> they're not familiar with the debian/ubuntu policy of licenses.
> And they're not thinking about what they're doing sometimes, think about
> the long awaited opening of yast to the opensource.
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Better then including Sun Java is to ask Azureus to use
> > Blackdown.org <http://Blackdown.org>'s
> > java.
> > True enough; I'll give up on Java packaging.
> >
>
> Thinking of developing java application even with Ubuntu it should ship
> with a better licensed version of a closed source language like
> blackdown.org <http://blackdown.org>'s java implementation then the sun
> java itself.
>
> I don't like java, but I appreaciate Suns work in the OSS world, but
> they should open javas source to the world, because it's a vital thing
> for many people, who are not learning a real programing language
> nowadays :(
>
> \sh
>
>
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