<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /></head><body style='font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif'> <p> </p> <div>> <span>There are still lots of things we can do, but we need to encourage more people to get involved.</span></div> <div> </div> <div>What sort of things can we do? </div> <div> </div> <div>---<br /> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="color: #888888;"><strong>David</strong><br /></span></p> </div> <p> </p> <p>On 2015-10-29 21:59, Joel Addison wrote:</p> <blockquote type="cite" style="padding: 0 0.4em; border-left: #1010ff 2px solid; margin: 0"><br class="" /> <div> <blockquote class=""> <div class="">On 28 Oct 2015, at 4:37 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) <<a class="" href="mailto:amjjawad@gmail.com">amjjawad@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div> <div class=""> <div class="" dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"> <div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br class="" />From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><strong class="gmail_sendername">Ali/amjjawad</strong><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class=""><<a class="" href="mailto:amjjawad@ubuntu.com">amjjawad@ubuntu.com</a>></span><br class="" />Date: Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 5:35 AM<br class="" />Subject: Re: Re-verification<br class="" />To: Jared Norris <<a class="" href="mailto:jrnorris@gmail.com">jrnorris@gmail.com</a>><br class="" />Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="" href="mailto:ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br class="" /><br class="" /><br class="" /> <div class="" dir="ltr"><br class="" /> <div class="gmail_extra"><br class="" /> <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 7:22 PM, Jared Norris<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class=""><<a class="" href="mailto:jrnorris@gmail.com">jrnorris@gmail.com</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br class="" /> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div class="" dir="ltr">Good evening all,</div> </blockquote> <div class=""> </div> <div class="">Good morning, everyone :)</div> <div class=""> </div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div class="" dir="ltr"> <div class=""> </div> <div class="">I have been advised this week that we as a team are up for re-verification shortly. However based upon my view I do not think we as a team would meet the requirements [1] to be a verified LoCo. There was a lot of discussion on the list last time this came up so wanted to put this out to the team before accepting this fate.</div> </div> </blockquote> <div class=""><br class="" /><a class="" href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/TeamVerificationGuidelines">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/TeamVerificationGuidelines</a><br class="" /><br class="" /></div> <div class="">I checked the page quickly and I don't think we'll be accepted as a verified LoCo team :(</div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> <div> </div> <div>No, not at the moment.</div> <br class="" /> <blockquote class=""> <div class=""> <div class="" dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"> <div class="gmail_quote"> <div class="" dir="ltr"> <div class="gmail_extra"> <div class="gmail_quote"> <div class=""> </div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div class="" dir="ltr"> <div class=""> </div> <div class="">Essentially while I see we have the solid background and resources our actual activity has dropped significantly over the last several cycles. While I believe there are significant numbers of Australians contributing greatly to the Ubuntu project in various ways I don't believe there is much advocacy work being carried out, which is what the LoCo is primarily used for [2].</div> </div> </blockquote> <div class=""> </div> <div class="">Why? I mean is it our fault? or it's just the users became more self-learner and they don't need any extra help? there must be a reason. Perhaps we all got busy with real life and that's why our activities dropped?!<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div> <div class=""> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> <div> </div> <div>The people who were most active have got busier, but there was also a drop off in activity in general. People have a lot more resources on the internet now, which also reduces the amount of assistance sought through things like the LoCo teams. </div> <div> </div> <div>I also think computing in general has changed a lot over the past couple of years (take a look at the number of people using phones and tablets instead of traditional desktops and laptops now). This has lead to, in my opinion, less people seeking out alternative desktop operating systems because they just use other devices. At the same time, linux on servers is being used more and more with containers and other virtualisation platforms. All of this has changed the type and number of people who would participate in a LoCo group.</div> <br class="" /> <blockquote class=""> <div class=""> <div class="" dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"> <div class="gmail_quote"> <div class="" dir="ltr"> <div class="gmail_extra"> <div class="gmail_quote"> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div class="" dir="ltr"> <div class=""> </div> <div class="">If we are to accept that we will not be a verified team there would be no significant change to what we have done in the past. We will still have this mailing list, we will still have a website [3], we will still have the Launchpad team [4] and we will still have the IRC channel [5].</div> </div> </blockquote> <div class=""> </div> <div class="">That's good, IMHO.<br class="" /> </div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div class="" dir="ltr"> <div class=""> </div> <div class="">As described on the wiki page linked [1] the only benefit of being a verified team is an auto allocation of CDs and the ability to more easily obtain larger conference packs. While we have used these in the past I haven't had a request for either over the last 2 cycles so cannot see this greatly impacting on our team.</div> </div> </blockquote> <div class=""> </div> <div class="">Hmm, I see.</div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> <div> </div> <div>We retain all of our infrastructure for the team which is really good. We might not get CD packs, but I don't think that is a big issue now - most people would download the ISO, or if they want they can use Peter's wonderful Ubuntu disc service through <a class="" href="http://ubuntu.net.au/">http://ubuntu.net.au/</a> (thanks again Peter for running this!). The conference packs are nice for events, but we can still get them if we can demonstrate how we will use the packs and how they will help out with the event.</div> <br class="" /> <blockquote class=""> <div class=""> <div class="" dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"> <div class="gmail_quote"> <div class="" dir="ltr"> <div class="gmail_extra"> <div class="gmail_quote"> <div class=""> </div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div class="" dir="ltr"> <div class=""> </div> <div class="">So if anyone would like to seek re-verification please let us all know, if I don't hear anything in the next week I will assume the team is happy to let verification slip.</div> </div> </blockquote> <div class=""> </div> <div class="">I'm sorry for the late reply. I was about to say that I'm ready to step in and help but I gave it another thought and I did read the wiki page<br class="" /><br class="" /><a class="" href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/TeamVerificationGuidelines">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/TeamVerificationGuidelines</a><br class="" /><br class="" /></div> <div class="">I don't think we can do it as of now.</div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> <div> </div> We don't have enough activity to be verified at the moment. If people are really keen then the activity can increase and we can apply for verification again. We won't do this unless we have sustained activity though, which we haven't had over the last couple of years. There are still lots of things we can do, but we need to encourage more people to get involved.</div> <div><br class="" /> <blockquote class=""> <div class=""> <div class="" dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"> <div class="gmail_quote"> <div class="" dir="ltr"> <div class="gmail_extra"> <div class="gmail_quote"> <div class=""> </div> <div class="">My question is: can we do that later? for example, if we can prove, after months for example, that we have activities and all ... can we apply anytime?! I don't think there is some kind of time frame for that, right? I think once a team meets the requirements, that team can apply, correct?</div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> <div> </div> Yes, we can apply anytime.</div> <div><br class="" /> <blockquote class=""> <div class=""> <div class="" dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"> <div class="gmail_quote"> <div class="" dir="ltr"> <div class="gmail_extra"> <div class="gmail_quote"> <div class=""> </div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div class="" dir="ltr"> <div class=""> </div> <div class="">As always, if anyone is interested in running some local events the team and I are here to support you, just shoot the list an email.</div> </div> </blockquote> <div class=""> </div> <div class="">I'll keep that in mind, thanks :)<br class="" /><br class="" /> </div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div class="" dir="ltr"> <div class=""> </div> <div class="">[1] <a class="" href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/TeamVerificationGuidelines">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/TeamVerificationGuidelines</a></div> <div class="">[2] <a class="" href="http://loco.ubuntu.com/about-loco/">http://loco.ubuntu.com/about-loco/</a></div> <div class="">[3] <a class="" href="http://ubuntu.org.au/">http://ubuntu.org.au/</a></div> <div class="">[4] <a class="" href="https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-au">https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-au</a></div> <div class="">[5] <a class="" href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/IRC">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/IRC</a></div> <div class=""><br class="" clear="all" /> <div class=""> <div class="">Regards,<br class="" /><br class="" />Jared Norris</div> </div> </div> </div> --<br class="" />ubuntu-au mailing list<br class="" /><a class="" href="mailto:ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br class="" /><a class="" href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au</a><br class="" /><br class="" /></blockquote> </div> </div> <div class="gmail_extra">Thank you for letting us know :)<span class="HOEnZb"><span style="color: #888888;"><br class="" clear="all" /></span></span></div> <div class="gmail_extra"><br class="" />--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="" /> <div class=""> <div class="" dir="ltr"> <div class=""> <div class="" dir="ltr"> <div class=""> <div class="" dir="ltr"> <div class=""> <div class="" dir="ltr"> <div class=""> <div class="" dir="ltr"> <div class=""> <div class="" dir="ltr"> <div class=""> <div class=""> <div class=""><span class="" style="color: #cc0000;">Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."</span><br class="" /><br class="" />Best Regards,</div> <div class=""><a class="" href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad">Ali/amjjawad</a><br class="" /><br class="" /><strong class=""><a class="" href="http://kibo.computer/">http://kibo.computer</a></strong><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>-<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="" href="http://torios.net/">http://torios.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>-<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="" href="http://ubuntugnome.org/">Ubuntu GNOME</a></div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <br class="" /><br class="" clear="all" /><br class="" />--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="" /> <div class="gmail_signature"> <div class="" dir="ltr"> <div class=""> <div class="" dir="ltr"> <div class=""> <div class="" dir="ltr"> <div class=""> <div class="" dir="ltr"> <div class=""> <div class="" dir="ltr"> <div class=""> <div class="" dir="ltr"> <div class=""> <div class=""> <div class=""><span class="" style="color: #cc0000;">Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."</span><br class="" /><br class="" />Best Regards,</div> <div class=""><a class="" href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad">Ali/amjjawad</a><br class="" /><br class="" /><strong class=""><a class="" href="http://kibo.computer/">http://kibo.computer</a></strong><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>-<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="" href="http://torios.net/">http://torios.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>-<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="" href="http://ubuntugnome.org/">Ubuntu GNOME</a></div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <span class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; 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