Hi Ferdinand,<div> </div><div>At last year's conference speakers included: 'The Gadget Man' and professional type presenters from Microsoft, Apple, Google and NEC with their 'Broadband for Seniors' programme. Linux Australia would have to be able to offer a presentation of equal or better quality to make an impact. If Linux Australia have that capability and are interested I suggest they contact the ASCCA organizers to see if there was an opportunity in the program for such a presentation.</div> <div> </div><div>Another alternative would be to have a Linux stand there. Apparently this has been done at an education conference somewhere but I am unaware of the details. Whatever is done should be professional and should include provision for back up to any interested people.</div> <div> </div><div>Regards,</div><div> </div><div>Tony</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> <div class="gmail_quote">On 24 April 2010 14:18, Ferdinand Lehnard <<a href="mailto:ferdinand.lehnard@web.de">ferdinand.lehnard@web.de</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> <div> Dear Tony, thank you very much for the background. Well I am located in the North West of Sydney and would be able to give after hour or on the weekend support and help in terms of installation and getting things running. That means if there is a local Club associated with the ASCCA, he is always welcome to contact me in this regard. I am not a professional in regard to IT or Computer Technology. In a previous life I was for some time working in programming and project engineering. Computing is just getting a hobby of mine not to get rusty. Coming back to the meeting. As written, I will be able to prepare a presentation, but I am not certain whether I am available personally for the presentation. For that reason I will ask people on the list whether some of them has time and how we can get together. Keep in contact Ferdinand<div class="im"> <table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> -----Original Message----- From: Tony Addis <<a href="mailto:Tony%20Addis%20%3ctonyaddis@gmail.com%3e" target="_blank">tonyaddis@gmail.com</a>> To: Ferdinand Lehnard <<a href="mailto:Ferdinand%20Lehnard%20%3cferdinand.lehnard@web.de%3e" target="_blank">ferdinand.lehnard@web.de</a>> </div><div class="im">Subject: Re: ASCCA Conference - 8th - 9th September 2010 </div><div><div></div><div class="h5">Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:14:31 +1000 Hi Ferdinand, I originally sent Mich the email which started this discussion, and while grateful for Mitch's regard for my privacy, do not mind my name being mentioned in these emails. I am a member of a computer club in a retirement village on the Gold Coast and our club is a member club of ASCCA. I attended the ASCCA conference last year and it was excellent except there was no advocacy for Linux. I will be going to the conference again this year with some of my colleagues but as a newbie, am not in a position to deliver a presentation. You are correct in assuming that elderly people with tight budgets would welcome Linux and Open Source software; a] if they knew about them b] if they had confidence in them and c] if they could be assured of backup in the event there was a modem or wifi malfunction or some other technical problem. We will be introducing Ubuntu 10.04 to our club when it is available in the knowledge that we have support from our local LUG. I am sure that other ASCCA clubs would also begin to use Ubuntu if the conditions a, b, and c above were met and I don't believe there would be any objection from ASCCA. What Linux Australia faces here is a great opportunity to promote Linux and in particular the Ubuntu distro. A target market of over 100 clubs representing thousands of computer users knowing nothing about Linux! Regards, Tony On 22 April 2010 23:34, Ferdinand Lehnard <<a href="mailto:ferdinand.lehnard@web.de" target="_blank">ferdinand.lehnard@web.de</a>> wrote: <blockquote> Dear Andre, thanks for the info. You should think that especially elderly people with tight budgets will welcome alternatives who offer them a variety of possibilities in terms of computing - but as you wrote they are all biased against "free", Linux, open.... Over the the last 20 years they got sprinkled with the word "Microsoft" either on workplace or later at home - since Windows 3.0 was coming into the market. There were better systems earlier in the market, i. e. DR-DOS, the AmigaOS based on C and Assembler, all forgotten. Is there someone planning to go for that meeting? If yes, let me know, I like to give you support in preparation of the presentation and may be also personal support during the meeting. I can't say right now, yes I am coming, or no I am coming not, because for the time being I am not sure whether I am available - it's in the mid of the week. I just have some time on weekends. </blockquote> <blockquote> Ferdinand <table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> -----Original Message----- From: Andre Mangan <<a href="mailto:Andre%20Mangan%20%3candremangan@gmail.com%3e" target="_blank">andremangan@gmail.com</a>> </blockquote> <blockquote> To: Ferdinand Lehnard <<a href="mailto:Ferdinand%20Lehnard%20%3cferdinand.lehnard@web.de%3e" target="_blank">ferdinand.lehnard@web.de</a>> Cc: Chris Martin <<a href="mailto:Chris%20Martin%20%3cchris@martin.cc%3e" target="_blank">chris@martin.cc</a>>, <a href="mailto:ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Subject: Re: ASCCA Conference - 8th - 9th September 2010 </blockquote> <blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 08:27:32 +1000 Thank you for that information Ferdinand. A further few comments about ASCCA and its affiliated clubs - a quick look through what computer training individual clubs offer - I found one that offers an introduction to Ubuntu (<a href="http://users.tpg.com.au/cphills/" target="_blank">http://users.tpg.com.au/cphills/</a>) as well as one that teaches Mac. It is likely that there are more. Most of them are hopelessly entrenched in Windows although Firefox is recommended as a browser. Andre On 21 April 2010 07:35, Ferdinand Lehnard <<a href="mailto:ferdinand.lehnard@web.de" target="_blank">ferdinand.lehnard@web.de</a>> wrote: <blockquote> Dear All, the announcement is in their newsletter vol. 12 from February 2010 and is indeed held in the Power House Museum. Newsletter attached regards Ferdinand <table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> -----Original Message----- From: Andre Mangan <<a href="mailto:Andre%20Mangan%20%3candremangan@gmail.com%3e" target="_blank">andremangan@gmail.com</a>> To: Chris Martin <<a href="mailto:Chris%20Martin%20%3cchris@martin.cc%3e" target="_blank">chris@martin.cc</a>> Cc: <a href="mailto:ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Subject: Re: ASCCA Conference - 8th - 9th September 2010 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 12:06:43 +1000 Chris, there is nothing on the ASCCA website yet about the coming conference. In the past it has been held at the Power House Museum in Sydney. Date: 8th and 9th September, 2010. It may be better to contact ASCCA directly: <a href="http://www.ascca.org.au/contact.html" target="_blank">http://www.ascca.org.au/contact.html</a> Andre On 20 April 2010 10:18, Chris Martin <chris@martin.cc> wrote: <blockquote> Mitch. Can you let us know when and where the conference will be held ---------------------------------------------------------- Chris Martin m: 0419812371 ---------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 8:02 PM, Andre Mangan <<a href="mailto:andremangan@gmail.com" target="_blank">andremangan@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote> Hello Mitch, Your posting on the the existence of ASCCA prompted me to contact one of the local Computer Pals for Seniors group. A primary prompt was when a 90-year-old dear friend got into difficulties with sending emails and I tried to look for support organisations to assist him. You may be aware how difficult it is to guide someone via the phone and screenshots to solve a computer problem. Apparently a home visit was indicated but none of the organisations under the governmental auspices of providing services to senior Australians had the manpower (womanpower) available to accommodate such a need. The problem in question was eventually resolved. Today, after negotiating an invitation, I attended a local Computer Pals for Seniors group. I have had about 25 years of experience with computers and thought myself to be adequately qualified to offer my services. Even then I had to argue my case. A misunderstanding? Perhaps the word got out that I was there to present "something alien" because an early remark of "we don't teach Apple, only Microsoft" gave me some indication of things to come. I bit my tongue. As the meeting was about to finish I asked for time to address the assemblage. This was granted. My offering was this: That I was willing to provide assistance with computer problems in the home in return for the reimbursement of traveling expenses ( I am talking about country distances and country travel ). That was well received and a negotiator and person for contact was established. I made sure that everyone understood that I was not prepared to teach the use of Microsoft software but would assist anyone who needs assistance out of a tight spot no matter which operating system was in use. I also took the opportunity to question why anyone would use commercial software, especially when the cost to pensioners is considered, the group of people who can least afford it. One person wanted to argue that MS Word was far superior to OpenOffice.org. I pointed out that I had not come to argue any case for or against. Yes, I showed them Ubuntu Karmic Koala, took their photos via Cheese and generally displayed, with pride, what Ubuntu has to offer. Unfortunately there was no hot-spot for internet. The group seems to be firmly entrenched in Microsoft products because MS has given them licences for all their software at almost no cost. Another factor is that many have an "inherited" computer system, one passed down to them as relatives upgrade their equipment and, of course, equipped with Windows. Will I go to the next meeting? You can bet on it. I noticed that MS is represented as one of the contributors to the Annual Conference in September. I wanted to post this so that whoever is going to represent (or present) Ubuntu at the ASCCA conference in Sydney in September is not caught on the back foot. Good Luck. Andre On 22 March 2010 19:16, Mitch Towner <<a href="mailto:mitch.towner.ubuntu@gmail.com" target="_blank">mitch.towner.ubuntu@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Everyone, I received some more information today regarding the 2010 ASCCA Conference. I was advised that approximately 200 delegates attended the conference last year. As such, this may not be quite such a "grand scale" type of thing as I initially thought. Is anyone interested in helping put together & deliver a presentation at this conference? To be completely honest, I am not much of a public speaker. However I am very keen to help organise a presentation at this conference as I believe that it would be a perfect opportunity to help promote Ubuntu. 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