I've spoken to a a bunch of people through email last week & this week, including a few people who contacted me off-list regarding a response I made RE: ACC.<div>Most of them are so tired of banging their heads again the wall thy can't even be bothered voicing things anymore, they're just over it. A few of them were also intent on unsubscribing, which they have obviously now done. - So don't blame that on Andrew, they've left precisely _because_ of the lack of response, at lest the 4 I spoke to. They left because of the current structure. </div> <div><br></div><div>I could go on, but there's just no point anymore. I strongly hope hope some of Mellisa's hopelessly attached fanboys wake up and smell the coffee one day. </div><div>As long as these people have any kind of control, without our votes, it's pointless calling it a community. There's nothing commune about a person + fanboys brick-walling people at every opportunity.</div> <div><br></div><div>I wash my hands of this list, and I know there's more following suit.</div><div>Ciao.</div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Melissa Draper <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:melissa@meldraweb.com" target="_blank">melissa@meldraweb.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>On Sun, 2010-04-18 at 20:18 +1000, Cary Bielenberg wrote:<br> > This will be my last response as per your wishes Jared, I am saddened<br> > that you and Melissa stifle change, you misquote the code of conduct<br> > to server your own needs. I guess it will be good to trot it out to<br> > stop folks challenging your authority.<br> <br> </div>Cary, I've refrained from responding to much of the repetitions here. I<br> expressed my view of the triple-tier council back when it was first<br> brought up, and in private emails with Andrew. I've refrained from<br> commenting during these list discussions to allow you all to discuss it<br> to your heart's content because if I had responded, it'd have been with<br> the same stance I expressed prior: the plan is defective by design.<br> <br> This has gone on for weeks now and you've not listened to any of the<br> not-jared-or-me people who disagree with you at all, and nor has the<br> discussion ceased. I've been refraining from emailing our reapproval<br> application to the LoCo Council (as this involves CCing this list in)<br> *purely* because of it. I've refrained because I really don't think the<br> LoCo Council deserves to have their thread hijacked by it, and would<br> likely cost us our approval status and make things quite hard for all of<br> us.<br> <br> I will be sending the email later tonight regardless, as some weeks ago<br> I renegotiated the deadline back to the 20th, and today is the 18th.<br> <div><div></div><div><br> > Lots of luck in your dictatorship & whoa behold anyone who challenges<br> > your authority. I guess I will be kicked off the list for this but I<br> > believe it had to be said.<br> ><br> > Cary<br> ><br> ><br> > Jared Norris <<a href="mailto:jrnorris@gmail.com" target="_blank">jrnorris@gmail.com</a>> wrote ..<br> ><br> > > Good evening Andrew and the Ubuntu-AU list,<br> > ><br> > > Firstly I would like to say that I agree the Ubuntu-AU team could<br> > > use a lot more people willing to help out as much as you have in the<br> > > Brisbane area. I do however have some reservations about your<br> > > ongoing tirade of emails about the ACC.<br> > ><br> > > I would again like to point out to all members the Ubuntu Code of<br> > > Conduct at <a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct" target="_blank">http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct</a> With this in mind<br> > > I would like to draw attention specifically to the section:<br> > ><br> > > “Please avoid flamewars, trolling, personal attacks, and repetitive<br> > > arguments. On technical matters, the Technical Review Board can make<br> > > a final decision. On matters of community governance, the Community<br> > > Council can make a final decision. “<br> > ><br> > > I have sat down tonight and seen yet again another post by yourself<br> > > on the subject so it made me think about it some more. I have drawn<br> > > up a table and worked out that of the 5 or 6 separate discussions on<br> > > this topic it boils down to 6 people who are for your ACC, 8 people<br> > > who are against your ACC and 6 people that were either neutral to<br> > > your proposal or off topic with other issues. I would then like to<br> > > point out that the 6 people that were FOR your proposed ACC have<br> > > contributed 40 emails to the list on the topic. The people who were<br> > > AGAINST your proposed ACC have contributed 10 emails in total. The<br> > > people that were NEUTRAL/OFF TOPIC to your proposed ACC have sent in<br> > > 14 emails. This is a total of 64 contributions from 20 different<br> > > people.<br> > ><br> > > Please do not mistake a large number of emails to the list as a<br> > > large groundswell of support, you personally have contributed 11<br> > > emails to this tally.<br> > ><br> > > As far as I can work out unless a lot more people come forward to<br> > > support your idea it doesn't seem to be gaining much traction when<br> > > you realise there is 337 people on this list<br> > > (<a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Re-Approval" target="_blank">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Re-Approval</a>). If you add to<br> > > that the fact that as a list administrator I have seen 12 people<br> > > unsubscribe since the topic started less than a week ago you will<br> > > understand this current email.<br> > ><br> > > Unless there is a large number of people coming forward in the near<br> > > future I don't think it's realistic to completely change how things<br> > > are run when the way things are as we speak do not prevent anyone<br> > > from organising activities beyond the scope of the aforementioned<br> > > Code of Conduct.<br> > ><br> > > Keep up with the good work with regards to promoting Ubuntu within<br> > > Brisbane but I think it's time to draw to a close the ongoing<br> > > campaign of the ACC.<br> > ><br> > ><br> > ><br> > > Regards,<br> > ><br> > > Jared Norris<br> ><br> <br> <br> </div></div><div>--<br> Melissa Draper<br> <br> w: <a href="http://meldraweb.com" target="_blank">http://meldraweb.com</a> & <a href="http://geekosophical.net" target="_blank">http://geekosophical.net</a><br> </div>p: +61 4 0472 2736<br> <font color="#888888"><br> <br> --<br> </font><div><div></div><div>ubuntu-au mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au</a><br> </div></div></blockquote></div><br> </div>