<div>Hi everybody.</div><div><br></div>Yes I am top posting. This is not in response to any particular comment or person. <div>I make this post very reluctantly and have not contributed to the fire yet as it's all so draining and I really don't have the time for debates that I just don't have a strong enough opinion on.</div> <div><br></div><div>I instead just want to offer support for the Ubuntu-Au community no matter what the structure is. It is very hard for me to feel like I can do something with being so rural and not knowing anybody else on the list. My job is mostly sysadmin, desktop support and a bit of django development. I can be often be found in IRC as agentk. I'm located in Griffith, NSW and travel is a bit hard at the moment. I would love to attend a release party if there was one here in Griffith. I'm not an outgoing bold type person and find it difficult to think of myself as manning an Ubuntu stall or giving a overview of Ubuntu to teachers at a local school type thing. Yet I would try if asked. I'm quite happy to help out with webdev work or offering local support if needed.</div> <div><br></div><div>That is all. You may go back to the continual debate now.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Karl</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 19 April 2010 09:53, Dave Hall <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dave.hall@skwashd.com">dave.hall@skwashd.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="im">On Mon, 2010-04-19 at 08:20 +1000, Andrew Gaydon wrote:<br> ><br> > On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Melissa Draper<br> > <<a href="mailto:melissa@meldraweb.com">melissa@meldraweb.com</a>> wrote:<br> > On Sun, 2010-04-18 at 20:18 +1000, Cary Bielenberg wrote:<br> > > This will be my last response as per your wishes Jared, I am<br> > saddened<br> > > that you and Melissa stifle change, you misquote the code of<br> > conduct<br> > > to server your own needs. I guess it will be good to trot<br> > it out to<br> > > stop folks challenging your authority.<br> <br> </div>Robust debate is one thing, personal attacks are quite another thing. I<br> haven't seen the CoC used to stifle debate, but I have seen it used to<br> remind people of their responsibilities when participating in the<br> community.<br> <div class="im"><br> > Cary, I've refrained from responding to much of the<br> > repetitions here.<br> ><br> > "I expressed my view of the triple-tier council back when it<br> > was first<br> > brought up, and in private emails with Andrew."<br> ><br> > I refute this statement strongly, this is the fist time I have heard<br> > from Melissa on the subject.<br> > I will also not be engaging in a he says / she says argument.<br> <br> </div>The archives show that Melissa replied to your suggestion for a tiered<br> structure on the same day as you made it, back on 3 March.<br> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-au/2010-March/005756.html" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-au/2010-March/005756.html</a><br> <br> I think Jared has already demonstrated that there isn't a groundswell of<br> support for change. Maybe there will be some other time, but now it is<br> time those agitating for change accept the way the land lies.<br> <br> As discussed on the list already, there is a lot that can be done to<br> promote ubuntu in the community. Let's focus our energies there, rather<br> than on continuing to waste energy on this protracted debate.<br> <br> Cheers<br> <font color="#888888"><br> Dave<br> </font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br> <br> --<br> ubuntu-au mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au</a><br> </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div>