Why does it take a debate like this to 'Raise' this issue?<br><br>This is not the first time that Michael has raised it!<br><br>So many questions go unanswered on this mailing list.<br><br>This is why people are so uninterested in making a contribution.<br>
<br>There is no responsibility or accountability !!<br><br>Why can't people see what is wrong with this picture.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Jared Norris <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jrnorris@gmail.com">jrnorris@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Michael,<br><br>I'm sorry to diverge a little here but I was wondering if you would be able to email me these references to porn on the mailing list that has been mentioned a couple of times now. As a mailing list admin I see my fair share of spam from the list but the whole idea of the mailing list admin team (of which I am only one of several) is to prevent this type of thing getting through to the list. Other than the messages we cull from the list I am not aware of anything else of dubious nature going to the list. If you can please send it off list so we don't re-spam it again I will endeavour to have it looked into and I will report back any findings made to you and the list.<br>
<br clear="all">Regards,<br><font color="#888888"><br>Jared Norris</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 13 April 2010 11:39, Michael <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:keltoiboy@gmail.com" target="_blank">keltoiboy@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>On Apr 13, 10:42 am, Peter Schwenke <<a href="mailto:pe...@bluetoad.com.au" target="_blank">pe...@bluetoad.com.au</a>> wrote:<br>
> I am of a similar opinion to Daniel with regard to bureaucracy.<br>
> However, I have been biting my tongue.<br>
><br>
> The current set up is not stopping anybody from doing anything.<br>
<br>
</div>Isn't it? Then why can't I get a straight answer to why does this<br>
mailing list have references to porn in it and how can I get rid of<br>
them?<br>
<div><br>
<br>
> IMO the effort spent on drawing up leadership plans and roadmaps could<br>
> be spent on testing and (for the more technical folk) fixing bugs<br>
> (providing patches).<br>
<br>
</div>The issue here is the re-approval asks for a Roadmap, so it does need<br>
to be discussed.<br>
<div><br>
> If a package you are using has issues, investigate why and report it.<br>
> For example, you might see it has been fixed upstream.<br>
><br>
> If you have some software you see that needs packaging for Ubuntu,<br>
> package it up.<br>
<br>
</div>Totally beside the point with regards to this discussion. We are not<br>
talking about the entire Ubuntu community, instead we are talking<br>
about Ubuntu-AU. Mixing them up does nothing except for clouding the<br>
issue being discussed.<br>
<div><br>
> If you would like to do something in the wider community, send a message<br>
> to the list and see if you get help (and maybe advice) and do it.<br>
<br>
</div>Like get the references to porn of the Mailing list membership list?<br>
<div><br>
> If you have the ability to answer questions on forums, put some effort<br>
> in to that.<br>
<br>
</div>I already do and thats because this community is dysfunctional.<br>
<div><br>
> Then, after doing something, if you want a title or "belong", become an<br>
> Ubuntu member or something.<br>
<br>
</div>In that process already but why can't people like me also want to help<br>
Ubuntu-AU expand. Why can't we have an open and honest discussion<br>
about our local scene instead of having the global scene thrown in to<br>
confuse the issue.<br>
<div><br>
> By doing the above some people will show leadership in organising something.<br>
<br>
</div>Do you know how many people in this mailing list are seen to be active<br>
in the regular forum? Let me say that it looks like there aren't many<br>
of us there often.<br>
<div><br>
> IMO, having elections and boards and titles etc does not make any of<br>
> the above happen. If you have 9 people, some of their circumstances<br>
> will change, they'll no longer be available to contribute. I'm sure<br>
> many people here have been involved (or know others)in various clubs.<br>
> The same story.... Then you get the politics and vested interests and<br>
> perceived vested interests... and ...<br>
<br>
</div>I really think you miss the point. This is a discussion about<br>
transparency and the real lack of it. If you don't want the system to<br>
change that is fine lets have a vote and see what the entire Ubuntu-AU<br>
community think and lets then honour that choice regardless of what it<br>
is.<br>
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