<div class="gmail_quote">I didn't enjoy reading certain sarcasms in that log. I think a certain somebody could also do with reading <a href="http://www.askdavetaylor.com/whats_a_micromanager.html">this</a> article -</div> <div class="gmail_quote">(micromanagement) ;</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div> <div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 8:29 PM, IKT <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:noname420@gmail.com">noname420@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Heya Andre,<br> <div class="im"><br> > When I first decided to use Ubuntu as "my" operating system, I did offer my services (expertise gained after many years in the NSW Public Service system) but my offer was ignored (that was in 2006).<br> <br> </div>Does anyone have a link to this in the mailing list archives? I'm<br> interested in which expertise and how they can be applied to the team.<br> <div class="im"><br> > There is something seriously amiss here - e.g. no structure, no administration, no cohesion.<br> <br> </div>That's not necessarily a bad thing, I am a member of the ubuntu<br> beginners team and recently there was a lot of structure and<br> administration introduced, and quite a few members have since felt the<br> team has changed radically from its original goals and left.<br> <br> In my opinion we have a very (very) fine line for these sorts of teams<br> between being generally a social group that attempts to spread the<br> word where it can and a bureaucratic mess.<br> <div class="im"><br> > All the above may be of no interest to anyone - consider it as gratuitous if you wish to what follows.<br> <br> </div>Not to take away from the loco but on the ubuntuforums and launchpad<br> would love your help! As was quoted to me recently there's about 500<br> bugs for every 1 developer, and a lot of those are duplicates, me and<br> kermaic are both apart of the 5 a day team<br> (<a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day" target="_blank">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day</a>) but you don't have to go that far,<br> even just answering a couple posts in ABT would be enough to warrant<br> joining (<a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam" target="_blank">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam</a>)<br> <br> So your help is definitely wanted, it's just directing it in the right<br> area, in regards to directing your help specifically at this loco:<br> <div class="im"><br> > Where is the leadership for the Australian Team? Waving a stick pretending to be the moral guardian is not sufficient.<br> <br> </div>What exactly do you expect to happen? Remembering we do have the issue<br> of being a country wide loco.<br> <br> - David/IKT<br> <div><div></div><div class="h5"><br> <br> <br> <br> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Andre Mangan <<a href="mailto:andremangan@gmail.com">andremangan@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> ><br> > Hello Andrew,<br> ><br> > I hope that this is the right place to offload some of my frustrations. Like you I also have a family life and I am able to sacrifice limited time to Ubuntu. I have been quite active in the Ubuntu Forums, Launchpad and LinuxQuestions until I could no longer afford the time to devote myself to answering questions relating to the Ubuntu operating system and as a consequence have withdrawn considerably (I have many other things to do).<br> ><br> > When I first decided to use Ubuntu as "my" operating system, I did offer my services (expertise gained after many years in the NSW Public Service system) but my offer was ignored (that was in 2006).<br> ><br> > Attempts to make contact with the local Linux User Group resulted in no reply as did a letter to Linux Australia relating to the local Linux user group.<br> ><br> > Discouragement at every step.<br> ><br> > I learnt how to find my own solutions and survived. I must acknowledge the support of a few Ubuntu friendlies and new friends that made my path bearable.<br> ><br> > All the above may be of no interest to anyone - consider it as gratuitous if you wish to what follows.<br> ><br> > Thank you for posting the meeting log. How disappointing that the governance issue was not raised. It is really important.<br> ><br> > I rise with the sun and go to bed soon after it sinks, hence my absence from the meeting - 9 p.m., in my opinion, is for those who have nothing else to do or are waiting for something to happen to justify their insomnia...but then I might just be one of the old-timer Australians with a different set of values.<br> ><br> > Reading the meeting summary, it seems to me that the meeting was largely a meaningless fiasco - and who appointed Scott Evans as a moderator (not that I have anything against him)?<br> ><br> > Where is the leadership for the Australian Team? Waving a stick pretending to be the moral guardian is not sufficient.<br> ><br> > There are so many willing people but no-one to harness all this energy.<br> ><br> > There is something seriously amiss here - e.g. no structure, no administration, no cohesion.<br> ><br> > Please repair as soon as you can. If I can help, count me in.<br> ><br> > Andre<br> ><br> ><br> ><br> ><br> ><br> ><br> ><br> > On 16 March 2010 16:58, AndrewG <<a href="mailto:gandella@gmail.com">gandella@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> >><br> >> Here is the log file for last nights meeting, for anybody that missed<br> >> it.<br> >> Ubuntu-au governance was not talked about.<br> >><br> >> <a href="http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/free/2010/03/15/%23ubuntu-au.html" target="_blank">http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/free/2010/03/15/%23ubuntu-au.html</a><br> >><br> >> --<br> >> ubuntu-au mailing list<br> >> <a href="mailto:ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br> >> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au</a><br> ><br> ><br> > --<br> > ubuntu-au mailing list<br> > <a href="mailto:ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br> > <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au</a><br> ><br> <br> </div></div>--<br> <div><div></div><div class="h5">ubuntu-au mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au</a><br> </div></div></blockquote></div><br>