I understand the povs.  At this time i will try linux games and wine first (once i install it) and see how that goes.  Maybe i will still try cedega we'll see. Good news too btw i got flash 9 going with rather low effort thanks to a script here <a href="http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=476924">http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=476924</a> Still don't have java but i use that far less than flash on the sites i browse. <div> On 7/10/07, Leslie Gossner <<a href="mailto:clownius@gossner.id.au">clownius@gossner.id.au</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Les Gray wrote: <blockquote cite="http://mid200707101132.44496.lgray@bigpond.net.au" type="cite"><div> <pre>On Tuesday 10 July 2007 11:11:12 mike james wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre>I decided that I was willing to support a company that was at least developing skills in that area and would provide me with some entertainment in the meantime, hence cedega. I have paid a LOT more for games/consoles/3D cards, etc over the years. In fact I usually spend more money on pizza than cedega costs per month. (about $7 au depending on exchange rates) </pre> </blockquote> <pre>It's not the amount of money, it's the fact that the product you get for it is not really up to the level of quality where charging for it might be justified. A year's worth of Cedega is roughly what you'd pay to keep, say, Norton AV going (legitimately) on your Windows setup each year. Now I don't imagine anybody would be too happy if that software had the same 'hit and miss' quality about it that Cedega does. the thing is, as I noted above, it's just not really feasible that the level of quality expected from commercial software could ever be reached by Cedega. Which is why, on principle, it should be free and open, like WINE. btw, if anyone's curiosity has been excited by all this Cedega-bashing, I recommend dropping by the forums at <a href="http://transgaming.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> transgaming.org</a>, which is simply filled to the brim with satisfied customers (or not) ;) </pre></div> </blockquote> Ye search those forums before you believe anything listed as working in their database too.  Many 4 or 5 star listings have a hundred million threads dedicated to what wont work on them.... like anything other than the install. WoW works under WINE im told and so do many many games.  Possibly even more than work under Cedega.  Although i like the idea of it all the product just doesn't deliver what they claim to and they don't give back to the open source community like for example Crossover Office does. </div> -- ubuntu-au mailing list <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au" target="_blank"> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au</a> </blockquote></div>