gandella at gmail.com
Sun Mar 21 09:14:18 GMT 2010
+1 from me.
Get over it 'PEOPLE'.
This argument could go on for days & Months.
In the future we may address each other as 'Ubuntu-ites', will that
offend anybody ?? (probably yes)
You can't please everybody all of the time.
What was that task that we were discussing ??
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Norm, VK3XCI <vk3xci at aanet.com.au> wrote:
> This is getting tiresome and filling my trash can. Can we just focus on the
> in hand... whatever that was???
> 73 de Norm, VK3XCI
> Mildura, Australia
> The Wintersun City
> David Fawcett wrote:
> > On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Rand Al Thor
> > <randalthor_thedragonreborn at hotmail.com
> > <mailto:randalthor_thedragonreborn at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> > *IMO google "guys", informal way of referring to either sex.
> > No offence was intended. If you chose to take offence then that's
> > your prerogative.*
> > *I don't think things need to be changed because of one persons
> > dislike for a particular term. Especially when the majority find it
> > acceptable.*
> > Rand this argument is largely indefensible. You can't offend a minority,
> > claim that such offense is unavoidable and then claim that such offense
> > is acceptable because it doesn't offend the majority.
> > Melissa was stating that she felt marginalized by the use of the term
> > 'guys' when she doesn't identify herself as a 'guy'. It is no different
> > to someone saying, 'hey white people' and someone popping up and saying,
> > 'could you please not only address white people because I'm not white
> > and I participate in this forum too'.
> > Melissa was also wrong about one point. She stated her political belief
> > and said that she did not wish to justify it or discuss it which is a
> > bit dubious stand to take and saying this essentially boils her
> > political belief down to an ultimatum. By no means is she required
> > to justify it but if she wishes the forum to use more
> > gender neutral language then it's likely some explanation is required
> > before her point is made and the forum changes it's behavior. As it
> > turned out that further explanation was forthcoming anyway.
> > Ok gang, we have two options here. We can either continue to use
> > language that makes a member of the forum uncomfortable and feel
> > marginalized or you can make a small, simple and minor modification to
> > the language we use and make a member of the forum feel welcome and
> > included.
> > There is a third option not available to the rest of us: Melissa can
> > accept that the term 'guys' as gender neutral and choose to feel
> > included when this term is used. While we can encourage her to change
> > her mind about this ethically we can't try to force her to change her
> > mind by continuing to use the term. What I mean by this is that the term
> > means what it means to her and we should be aware that continuing to use
> > it makes her feel alienated regardless of what the term means to the
> > majority.
> > Personally I'm all for inclusion and I would encourage everyone on this
> > list to make the small change that Melissa has requested in order to
> > make her (and women in general) feel more included.
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