I'll have to go into the guts of both of those applications to fix the problem - change what they look for. And that, of course, comes under the newby's "Don't know how !" A couple of (something)conf maybe ? (I AM learning ! ) Having fun anyway! Catch up with you after my snooze! Regards to all. Mike H P.S. The other e-mails went off O.K. - M H