<blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;" class="gmail_quote">Icons are used to express ideas, actions, and they should be immediately recognizable. Ubuntu is marketed as a Linux distro for everyone and no one new to Linux will know that the program they want is next to the Wine glass. And when they figure it out, they'll still be wondering why it's a wine glass. </blockquote> This is less a problem as Wine isn't installed by default... So someone new to Linux would'nt see the icons without having first installed something called "Wine"... -- Yann Dėnendal