<div dir="ltr">I agree to a certain extent... Brown and Orange are definately not attractive to the majority of users, But I can't ever see canoncial EVER releasing an ubuntu without it, since they are obsessed with the human theme crap. It would be good if there was ATLEAST a comprimise, and maybe blend in some other colours with the human theme. The WillWill mockup is a perfect example in my opinion, a dark theme mixed in with the human theme. I think Black goes together very well with brown/orange/yellow...... Willwill mockup is the best mockup out there for ubuntu to take ideas from. Personally, i like widgets too, would be nice to have these as an option by default :) symon. <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 8:51 AM, Daniel Moore <<a href="mailto:daniel.a.moore@gmail.com">daniel.a.moore@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> On 13/08/2008, at 8:08 AM, Julian Oliver wrote: > > > thankfully Ubuntu is taking something of a risk here, the last thing > the > world needs is another blue theme. I disagree, it might be hard for a bunch of GUI artists to see but a computer interface is not a piece of art. It doesn't need to stand out it needs to blend in, it needs to provide the minimum functionality with the minimum fuss. That's why al these mock-ups miss the point, sure they look nice and they're made by very talented people, but they put the window manager into centre stage and not the applications themselves. And it's been mentioned before, brown and orange are not good neutral colours, they're overpowering and ugly when used in this way - even though there have been some really very talented designs submitted that minimise the negative aspects of these colours. To be sure brown and orange are wonderful colours when used properly, but if you want to compete with osx in terms of graphics go with neutral colours,  IMHO preferably gradients of grey. -- ubuntu-art mailing list <a href="mailto:ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art</a> </blockquote></div> </div>