I just updated the wiki to include some buttons and tabs, so there's a rough idea of the direction widgets could be going. I pushed it out as quickly as I could, but I didn't have my regular machine so I couldn't build it as quickly as I would have liked. I'll have an update later today with multiple desktop wallpapers and the like, with more widgets as well. I'll also polish existing widgets. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the GTK, so I'll see if I can get some contributions into the GTK as well, but for now I'll focus on Emerald, and an opaque version of Union. <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Union"> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Union</a> Also, I'm leaving on the 13th of this month, so my last updates will be on the night of the 12th before I go into a 3-month blackout. It could potentially be over a year I'm disconnected, but I believe it will only be 3 months. Either way, I'll probably gone until the LTS of Ubuntu comes out - so if there's anything anybody needs/wants, tell me so I can get it done. <div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 3, 2008 11:49 PM, xl cheese <<a href="mailto:xl_cheese@hotmail.com">xl_cheese@hotmail.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> I'm thinking we can go ahead and get as close as we can to his mockup with what is currently available.  Then tackle the nitty gritty stuff possibly hacking some engines. Attached a slightly updated gtk. ________________________________ > From: <a href="mailto:sebbil@gmx.de">sebbil@gmx.de</a> <div class="Ih2E3d">> To: <a href="mailto:ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com</a> </div>> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 12:07:42 +0100 > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Stop kickin' the dead horse - Create a full Union GTK theme. <div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">> > Hi folks! > > I think one of the problems creating a theme like Kens mockup could be, that (AFAIK) there is no gtk-engine supporting things like rounded corners for menus, because the only transparency we can get there comes from compiz/beryl/xcompmgr. > I think we would need to hack an engine... > > cheers Sebastian Billaudelle > Am Mittwoch, den 02.01.2008, 23:32 -0500 schrieb Ken Vermette: > I've tackled Emerald, I'll be honest and say "I suck" when it comes to the live conversion, so it could probably be done better. I'll post what I have done tomorrow the moment I get at my regular development machine (traveling). I'll also make a variation with an opaque content arera in case Cimis' GTK mod is a beast, and to help get things rolling. We might need it anyway for low-end machines using Metacity. > > Should I post the Emerald theme I have in the Wiki? Or is there anywhere you would prefer to keep the files? > > (Also, thank you! Been fighting this stuff tooth and nail, I'm still very new to the theme formats) > > --Ken Vermette > > On Jan 2, 2008 11:07 PM, xl cheese < <a href="mailto:xl_cheese@hotmail.com">xl_cheese@hotmail.com</a>> wrote: > > I'm going to try to mimick Ken's mockups as close as I can with a true gtk theme.  If anyone here would like to help out with it email and we can take it offline.  I'll start using the pixmap engine for things I can't get any current themes to make then attempt to alter some other engines to do it and replace the pixmap parts. > ________________________________ >> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 22:52:09 -0500 >> From: <a href="mailto:vermette@gmail.com">vermette@gmail.com</a> >> To: <a href="mailto:ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com"> ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com</a> >> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Moving things forwards. >> >> "Ooh, what's that one?" >> >> OSX is long held as one of the boldest and most unique designs in the industry, when Windows was just toying with XP - Apple made the ultra-shiny, over-glossed look and threw in every effect they could think of and paired it with a pinstripe. If you look at OSX now, compared to when it was first demonstrated, it has toned down dramatically; no pinstripes, for example. >> >> That being said, I'm a firm believer in designs that are both bold and unique. If it's unique, people will remember it. If it's bold, people will talk about it. When you see a desktop screen-shot of Vista, you know it's Vista. Vista is bold, unique. When you see OSX, you can see the dock - the signature - Unique to OSX. Apple has always been bold, and the big "X" on the box shouts at you. "Ooh, what's that one?" >> >> If you want to make an argument for just being Unique - that bold should be beyond our users, then I would be tempted to present Amiga. There's an operating unique to itself, but there's no oomph in the design. I've only ever -heard- of these Amiga users, and I only hear that the Amiga users out there are the ones unwilling to let it go. I doubt anyone will walk by an Amiga in a store and be captured by it. It's unique, and users of Amiga reminisce about it - but it's not being talked about in anything other than fond memories. >> >> Linux users have posted pictures of Vista-clone desktops, or OSX-like machines. You forget them, because it's not unique or ever as polished as the original. Linux/Ubuntu is not Vista, it's not OSX, it's not Amiga: Ubuntu needs to be Unique and bold - Capturing - Ubuntu. Ubuntu can be that, and be user-friendly at the same time. It doesn't need to be jet-black to be bold, bold isn't a colour or a specific design. It doesn't need to have patterns and pinstripes - it needs to stand out; "Ooh, what's that one?" >> >> When 3 computers are lined up at computer store X - you don't want Ubuntu to be passed. If it makes the stand, people will notice it and be drawn to it for it's beauty - and stay for the amazing operating system it is. You want whoever passes that computer to say... >> >> "Ooh, what's that one?" >> >> On Jan 2, 2008 9:43 PM, Andrew Laignel <<a href="mailto:a.laignel@ukdotcafe.com">a.laignel@ukdotcafe.com</a>> wrote: >> Who wrote: >>> How does a conventional 'vote for the one you like' allow us to see this? >>> >> Maybe you could vote 1...5 on each entry then look at the tally graphs >> for distribution? >>>> into love it/hate it camps which should be avoided at all cost.  Ideally >>>> a default theme should not be even noticed by the public - being neutral >>>> and innofensive as possible should be the goal.  A perfect demonstration >>>> of this is Apple, where the current theme for OSX is crips, clean, >>>> stylish and probably as neutral as you can get - no loud colours, >>>> drastic layouts or hard edges. >>>> >>> >>> AFAIK, this has never been the aim for the Ubuntu default theme - and >>> I don't think it ever will be. Sometimes going for love it or hate it >>> beats going for bland. At least then people see it! >>> >>> As long as I can remember the Ubuntu Theme has been part of the >>> branding, something that helps make Ubuntu known, something for people >>> to talk about. From this point of view, it has worked very well - if >>> you see a screenshot of linux and it is brown, you _know_ it is ubuntu >>> - if you see a blue distro.... who knows... >> I'm not saying don't be brown, or to lose the Ubuntu theme, but to avoid >> anything overly stylized.  Most people using a computer will never touch >> the default theme settings, and the less likely that a sizable >> percentage will be sitting in front of something they hate the better. >> If people want something really cool/different (ultra dark/steampunk >> etc) then maybe there should be some alternate themes shipped with it so >> if someone does have a look into the menus something is there. >> >> Ulitmately if you really want a radical theme you can with very little >> effort.  The focus should be on giving the people who simply don't care >> about the subject as pleasant an experience as possible, rather than >> forcing them to change it because it's horrible (to them). </div></div><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">_________________________________________________________________ i'm is proud to present Cause Effect, a series about real people making a difference. <a href="http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_Cause_Effect" target="_blank">http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_Cause_Effect</a></div></div> -- ubuntu-art mailing list <a href="mailto:ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com"> ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art</a> </blockquote></div> -- -Ken Vermette