well there is voting<br><br>one man, one vote<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 2, 2008 6:02 PM, Justin Rogers <<a href="mailto:justin.a.rogers@gmail.com">justin.a.rogers@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Whatever, that fact remains that there is no leadership or direction from the people who can make any decisions. You seem to forget many people, such as myself, are on here on their own time at no cost to Canonical and just want to help. By not giving these people any direction their hard work is going to wast, which to me is an insult.
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">On Jan 1, 2008 10:40 PM, Troy James Sobotka <<a href="mailto:troy.sobotka@gmail.com" target="_blank">troy.sobotka@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div>
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<div>Justin Rogers wrote:<br>> I have been watching for about two months now, waiting to see how I can<br>> contribute. Who ever is leading this project, I am still uncertain, have<br>> put very little effort into it overall. I believe we were promised some
<br>> sort of direction on the Wiki like a month ago. At this rate there is no<br>> way any new theme will ever get into 8.04. To put it bluntly the<br>> leadership on this project sucks!<br><br></div>First, leadership is a wonderful thing to talk about, but
<br>a whole other thing to accomplish.<br><br>Second, you can play a 'mental game' for yourself. Imagine<br>a list such as this where 100 people submit ideas. You<br>have your own personal aesthetic. You have the aesthetic
<br>of people who are 'in charge'. You have individual belief<br>structures. Now you have 1000 different belief patterns,<br>100 different submissions, and the various computational<br>byproducts. What direction do you go? Every single
<br>poor design decision in history has been agreed upon by<br>someone somewhere who thought it was a good idea. Look<br>no further than this list if you need proof.<br><br>Third, you have people who refuse to examine the history,
<br>wiki, or other easily accessible information out there.<br><br>As has been made clear a thousand times before, the paid<br>art liason is Kenneth Wimer (aka kwwii on Freenode). The<br>final art arbitrator of all things Ubuntu is sabdfl -
<br>Mark Shuttleworth.<br><br>1) No there won't ever be voting. It is a hideous route<br>to follow for design. Arguably, it can also be a shortcoming,<br>but voting isn't the answer.<br><br>2) kwwii (as per email to the list) has been on vacation.
<br><br>I hope this helps, and I hope that perhaps you will see that<br>the situation isn't nearly as simple as some people would<br>like it to be.<br><br>Sincerely,<br><font color="#888888">TJS<br><br></font><br></div>
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