Apart from the jags (which I conceded is because it's a mockup) the theme has several elements I really like. The blacks are heavy, and don't feel very Ubuntuish - either switching to brown or another colour might make things more mainstream. Probably my favorite idea is having dropdowns that fade out; Although I don't know how that would work out in terms of usability, it's an effect that I could dig in future themes. Apart from this theme on a more general observation, many of the latest mockups I've seen seems to be taking the route of completely semitransparent windows - it seems to be a pretty popular concept, and it would be an element unique to Ubuntu/Linux. -- Ken Vermette <div class="gmail_quote">On Dec 22, 2007 4:43 PM, Max Tristen <<a href="mailto:thegiantlepricorn@hotmail.com">thegiantlepricorn@hotmail.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div>hi people :) i subscribed to the mailing list a week or 2 ago and have been following it with alot of interest. i like the direction that the Hardline theme is taking, it feels more finished and professional to me.   <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Hardline" target="_blank">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Hardline</a>   tbh I'm not a great lover of the current version of the theme.. it has some nice features but they just lacking the finish off which they require.   <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/BasicIdeals" target="_blank">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/BasicIdeals</a>    its too heavy and it feels like an effort just to look at it.. i don't think the colours in the background the buttons works, they're would be better to have a main colour theme not to try mixing other colour themes with the browns of Ubuntu. i do however like this trend of mixing the top bar of windows with the menu bar, that looks very sexy, and that what i think we need to do to the Ubuntu theme, we have to make it sexy. its is one of the main factors which would persuade people to convert to ubuntu. oh another this I'm not too fond of is the amount of curves most of these mock ups seem to have. its a bit too much for me! REMEMBER! if you round all your corners then you loose your edge!   I've made a mock up of what i think would look sexy as a default theme.   i tried to make my own alternative hardy theme wiki page but it wasn't happening, so instead you can find mine at..   <a href="http://www.unknowndomain.co.uk/uploader/files/6/hardyheron..jpg" target="_blank">http://www.unknowndomain.co.uk/uploader/files/6/hardyheron..jpg</a>   <a href="http://www.unknowndomain.co.uk/uploader/files/6/hardyheron2.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.unknowndomain.co.uk/uploader/files/6/hardyheron2.jpg</a>   you can contact me at <a href="mailto:thegiantlepricorn@hotmail.com" target="_blank">thegiantlepricorn@hotmail.com</a> or at <a href="mailto:mpinney@weh8design.com" target="_blank">mpinney@weh8design.com</a>   i would love to hear you feed back people :) <hr>Everything in one place. <a href="http://www.windowslive.co.uk/get-live" target="_blank">All new Windows Live!</a></div> -- ubuntu-art mailing list <a href="mailto:ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art </a> </blockquote></div> -- -Ken Vermette