I agree, as much as I like dark themes, there are just too many kinks to work out. I do like the idea of packaging an aditional dark theme with hardy though. It would be a good base to build from if we wanted  to make a dark theme default in hardy+1 <br><br>Corey<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 7, 2007 1:50 PM, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen <<a href="mailto:mikkel.kamstrup@gmail.com">mikkel.kamstrup@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div class="Ih2E3d">On 07/11/2007, <b class="gmail_sendername">Matthew Nuzum</b> <<a href="mailto:newz@bearfruit.org" target="_blank">newz@bearfruit.org</a>> wrote:</div><div><div class="Ih2E3d"><span class="gmail_quote"> </span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <span>On Nov 7, 2007 12:14 AM, Troy James Sobotka <<a href="mailto:troy.sobotka@gmail.com" target="_blank">troy.sobotka@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></span> <div class="gmail_quote"><span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen wrote:<br>Another problem with dark themes is a purely technical one. I've done a<br>handful dark themes myself, but they always end up with small glitches<br>here and there because not all apps are designed to respect the theme <br>100% This makes for a bit of an amateurish feel in the long run. That is<br>not acceptable for Hardy.<br><br>I always seem to find myself in agreement with Mikkel's observations<br>and conclusions.<br></blockquote> </span> </div><br>One thing we may want to consider is quickly getting a dark theme in place in Hardy so that by Alpha 1, which is released November 29th, we can start getting bug reports on these problems.<br><br>This could be as simple as including the ubuntu-studio theme, or it could be more advanced. I think the key is to get something in soon. Core devs are *already* running hardy, and in large part, they (not us) will need to help identify and communicate these problems to upstream. <br><br>I can personally attest that a dark theme can be usable and very attractive. It is challenging to achieve a balance and to get your applications working and looking good. The beauty of a dark theme is it draws your eyes to your work, which will have a lighter color, and in a way relegates the controls and chrome to a less prominent positions without actually putting them in an unusual or unexpected place. </blockquote></div><div><br>This is exactly my problem with dark themes - the contrast between the surroundings  and the document I edit is too big. My eyes get sore after a few hours.<br><br>For hacking in GEdit this is not a big problem because I can have a dark theme there too, but for OpenOffice I just *need* that white backgound. It is silly to have a wysiwyg editor where there colors are not what other people will see. <br></div><div class="Ih2E3d"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">An additional challenge with this type of functional art is to not be too clever. It still needs to be functional. <br><br>Hmm... that might be a cool name for the new theme: functional-art.</blockquote></div><div><br>On top of my previous points I simply do not believe that we can smooth out the rough edges (non-theme-compliant-apps) on a dark theme in 6 months. Hardy should be enterprise level and we cannot achieve that on a dark theme in that time frame. Fixing the apps require real developers, not just themers, and we are really short on those.  </div><br></div><br>Please not that I really do like dark themes. Maybe we should just bundle a dark version of the final theme.<br><br><br>Cheers,<br><font color="#888888">Mikkel<br> </font><br>--<br>ubuntu-art mailing list<br><a href="mailto:ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br><a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art </a><br><br></blockquote></div><br>