<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffcc" text="#000000"> Étienne Bersac wrote: <blockquote cite="mid1170526061.6454.18.camel@thilivren" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">As i noticed during the dapper cycle, the update-notifier icon is wrong. It has one goal : tell the user to manually trigger update. I notice that neither my father nor my mother nor any other membres of my family understood that (that's almost all the clueless people i can observe). Even if i tell them several times the meaning of this icon. up2date icon from RH is far better : a glowing red circle with an exclamation mark. Also, there is something very confusing in this icon : it follows the label's convention i.e. flat orange background + white sketch. Notification icons are icons similar to menu icon. They must follow the same guideline ! Ubuntu has very very nice notification area icons, thanks to Gnome (see how ugly are Windows® Vista systray official icons !!!). So i found that this icons fail to warn the users (please tell be about your clueless users) and does not fit well in the panel. What are we going to do in order to fix that issue ? </pre> </blockquote> Etienne, if I understand you correctly your main concern is that the icon is not "aggressive" (red) enough. I agree that the icon needs to attract attention, but am not sure I agree that it needs to be a big red warning sign. I just updated my package list to see the icon again and it seemed to me to be very adequately serious - and when you mouse over it, it tells you what you need to see. In short, I myself don't think it needs to change, but I'm sure Ken and other artists will consider suggested updates. Mark </body> </html>