That's a good point. I hadn't really even been thinking about the icons (more the widgets), but they definitely also need visual integration. Should we make a list of what needs to be done to have a working theme on the wiki page? Would it be worthwhile to start from any of the themes I've linked to already? Wes <div>On 11/21/06, Kenneth Wimer <<a href="mailto:kwwii@oxygen-icons.org">kwwii@oxygen-icons.org</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> On Tuesday 21 November 2006 23:12, Wes Morgan wrote: > Kenneth, > > Great! Your help will be most appreciated. > > Here's what I'm thinking on your KDE 3 vs. 4 question: > > The point of this spec is mainly to make sure that Qt/KDE apps running in > Ubuntu (GNOME) look and feel exactly like GNOME/GTK apps (or as close as we > can get). So, it seems like we need both a Qt/KDE 3 version and a Qt/KDE 4 > version. Because there are many (binary) apps out there that are Qt > 3-based, and more and more that are Qt 4-based, not to mention the > impending KDE-wide shift to Qt 4 with the upcoming release of KDE 4. But > even when that comes out, it would still be nice to support the older Qt > 3-based apps with this theme. > > I would think we should start with Qt/KDE 3 (at least for the feisty cycle) > and then we can focus on Qt/KDE 4 (in the feisty cycle too, if there's > time, feisty+1 if not, since I would imagine that Kubuntu feisty+1 will be > a KDE 4 system). > > Does that seem right? > Yepp. It sounds great. In the end it depends on the amount of work one wants to put into something :-) I hope that we can continue this discussion. From the KDE side, it is also a goal to use consistent icons in gnome apps running under kde. In the end, working on this will help both projects, so I am all for it :-) Bye, Ken > Wes > > On 11/21/06, Kenneth Wimer < <a href="mailto:kwwii@bootsplash.org">kwwii@bootsplash.org</a>> wrote: > > On Tuesday 21 November 2006 22:28, Wes Morgan wrote: > > > Great. The first thing we need then, is a Qt theme that closely > > > > resembles > > > > > Human GTK. Any out there experienced with Qt theming that can assist me > > > with this? I'm thinking we can start with some of the attempts that > > > have been made already and polish them up a bit. (See wiki page for > > > links) > > > > I can help. I did the Kubuntu artwork for the last two releases and I'm > > deeply > > involved with KDE and KDE artwork (not to mention that I did all the art > > for > > SuSE for 7 years). > > > > There are still several open questions...is this for kde3 or kde4 or > > both? KDE > > is migrating to the xdg icon naming spec for kde4, so it might be a lot > > less > > work to worry about kde4 and try to get things right for that before > > making > > something for the short term. Then again, maybe it would be nice to have > > something right away, while still working on the future... > > > > > Is there a Kubuntu art list that I should be cross-posting this to? > > > > Nope, this is the one and only art list for *buntu (although I have often > > thought that it might help to have a list for Kubuntu artwork alone as it > > might help the Kubuntu art community). > > > > > > Bye, > > Ken > > > > > Wes > > > > > > On 11/19/06, Mark Shuttleworth <<a href="mailto:mark@canonical.com">mark@canonical.com </a>> wrote: > > > >  Wes Morgan wrote: > > > > > > > > The spec is here: > > > > <a href="https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/human-theme-for-qt-and-kde"> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/human-theme-for-qt-and-kde</a> > > > > > > > > What do you folks think of this? Where should I go next to get the > > > > ball > > > > > > rolling? I'm hoping to get something in place for feisty+1. Feel free > > > > to > > > > > > rip that wiki page to shreds with questions, comments, rants, > > > > whatever. > > > > > > :) > > > > > > > > You're following exactly the right process: spec, discuss, implement. > > > > For > > > > > > the implementation phase, you might want to meet up (online :-)) with > > > > some of the MOTU team, to talk about getting the pieces packaged that > > > > you > > > > > > need. If you can do the packaging, they can sponsor the uploads till > > > > you > > > > > > are approved as an uploader yourself. > > > > > > > > Mark </blockquote></div> -- "Small acts of humanity amid the chaos of inhumanity provide hope. But small acts are insufficient." - Paul Rusesabagina, Rwandan and former hotel manager whose actions inspired the movie Hotel Rwanda