<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"> <title></title> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffcc" text="#000000"> Michiel Sikma wrote: <blockquote cite="mid8AC23BCD-60F4-425B-B02D-CD311FF88141@thingmajig.org" type="cite"> Op 22-jun-2006, om 9:48 heeft Mark Shuttleworth het volgende geschreven: <blockquote type="cite">Michiel Sikma wrote: <blockquote type="cite">I've been thinking about how to retain consistency between different types of Ubuntu (Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Edubuntu). Perhaps we could simply make sure that the default themes that exist for the different distros are somewhat universal? For instance, Kubuntu could have a blue theme. It should preferably look as much like the Ubuntu default theme as possible, barring the color set. Then we should include that blue theme not just in Kubuntu, but also in Ubuntu. And the other way around, of course, there should be an orange theme for Kubuntu. This way, we can retain consistency between the different types of Ubuntu and also adhere to the thought of making several color styles for the default theme. I'm not sure if this is entirely possible to perform, but I'd like to hear your thoughts on it. </blockquote> We have an official "policy of independence" between the flavours of Ubuntu. They are basically required to collaborate on bits that overlap, like kernel, but can be totally independent w.r.t. things like art and style. My only requirement of consistency is that they ALL be *consistently*: * world class (looking DAMN good) * distinctive (if you see a screenshot you should KNOW it's Kubuntu/Xubuntu/Ubuntu) Please turn this into an FAQ so that we don't have the same debate time and time again! Cheers, Mark </blockquote> I don't exactly know what you mean; do you mean that since there's a "policy of independence", this idea should not be implemented (if possible or viable at all), or that since the different flavors of Ubuntu _can_ be totally different (but don't have to), this idea _can_ be implemented if we want to go through with it? </blockquote> Independence means that the art teams of each of the distributions are free to choose whether or not they want to borrow themes and memes from others. The idea is that the KDE community should love Kubuntu (that's more important than that Ubuntu loves Kubuntu). Upstream communities for Gnome, XFCE and KDE must each effectively feel that Ubuntu / Xubuntu / Kubuntu reflect THEIR vision. So, I would like the artists of Kubuntu and Xubuntu and Ubuntu to stay in close contact, share ideas, borrow freely. But we will not instruct them to "follow a consistent look and feel". The only consistency we demand is that they be consistently world class, and consistently distinctive. This is important for the art teams to understand. We need to act in a way that shows off KDE / Gnome / XFCE brilliantly. <blockquote cite="mid8AC23BCD-60F4-425B-B02D-CD311FF88141@thingmajig.org" type="cite">It would seem that you're okay with this idea as long as the themes adhere to the criteria you listed, but I'm not sure. :) </blockquote> No, I'm not OK with the idea, because the way it was phrased suggested that we should "make them look consistent". They have the right to be independent, to make the decisions that are best for THEM, and we should not be enforcing "consistency" over their wish to be independent. We should propose good ideas, but let the individual brands / distros choose the ideas they want to integrate. Mark </body> </html>