<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffcc" text="#000000"> Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: <blockquote cite="mid4433C0D2.1080205@ubuntu.com" type="cite">The trick is that the tips slightly overshoot the edge of the slider groove so you don't get a round edge meeting a square one. Imagine that the tips are not sitting in the groove with the rest of the slider, but are less deep so they can pass over the edge of the stepper slightly when they reach the edge. </blockquote> Guys, this thread is out of control! Read my original comment, which sparked the thread. The specific feedback I have been given is that the scrollbar tips, when the scrollbar is at the end, look like a "white well". Some scrollbars have white wells. Our well is dark, but when the scrollbar is up against the end, the tip can be interpreted as a white well, meaning that the scrollbar os not quite up against the end. Make sense? So. The gap between square stepper and rounded tip is EXACTLY what I am looking to test out. Because that will clearly say "This is the tip, which is white, over the well, which is dark, and its all up against the end of the well, next to the square stepper". Mark </body> </html>