Daniel Borgmann <daniel.borgmann@gmail.com> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> On 4/4/06, bvc <bvcmdk@yahoo.com> wrote: > Yes, it doesn't look good, but neither does it look good square else we > wouldn't be having this discussion. Look at how the industrial engine deals > with it. Everything is round but there are no gaps. Which is a primary reason why I couldn't stand Industrial anymore and was hoping for something like Clearlooks to show up, which uses roundness in a more sensible way. </bvcmdk@yahoo.com></blockquote>Achieving round w/o gaps is the issue at hand. Scrollbars like Industrial solves that....that is sensible, and IMO is better than square. Anything is better than having something square in a everything else round widget theme. It is a distraction far more than a little gap so I still say my mockup is the best way to go but hey, what do I know ;) . No one stares at a stepper. They are only glanced at. Like the bright orange in Human. All industrial does is put the steppers and scrollbar on top of the trough instead of inside it. People love it, and I have never heard any complaint about it now. I do not care much for it either but it's better than anything square in a everything else round theme. People want consistency despite what a ui designer (no such animal) has to say. In Richard's mockup, the only one that looks good is the first, but it's all osx.  Is it sensible? That's only a matter of opinion and who cares....it looks good. That's fine with me, and most would love it, because it's osx. Does ubuntu want that, is the question? Mark? Billy <hr size=1>Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make <a href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/postman2/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39663/*http://voice.yahoo.com"> PC-to-Phone Calls</a> using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.