[ubuntu-art] Dealing with issues and seeking advice

[coz DS]

2011/2/18 Leandro Gómez <leo.telsen at gmail.com>

> On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Vishnoo <vish at ubuntu.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 15:17 -0600, Leandro Gómez wrote:
>> > On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Vishnoo <vish at ubuntu.com> wrote:
>> >         On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 13:47 -0600, Leandro Gómez wrote:
>> >         >
>> >         > I don't like the way this is discussion is turning out.
>> >         >
>> >         >
>> >         > Of course, one disruptive member can cause a lot of
>> >         problems. People
>> >         > get frustrated, they resign and cease contributing to the
>> >         team.
>> >         >
>> >
>> >
>> >         People resigning is what Сергей mentioned as the issue that is
>> >         frustrating him.
>> >         And hence why I mention how *very* hard Thorsten and Martin
>> >         tried to
>> >         talk to John into being more part of the team effort instead
>> >         of his
>> >         disruptive behavior.
>> >
>> >         > But, honestly, do you really think the problems of this team
>> >         can be
>> >         > attributed to one single person's actions?
>> >
>> >
>> >         No, this team as other problems too and they need to be fixed
>> >         as well.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I agree. I've been on this team for four whole years and there's a lot
>> > of things that needs to be fixed.
>> >
>> >
>> > If one member of the team is disruptive and causes a lot of problems,
>> > I think it's time for the admin to moderate him/her on the list or ban
>> > the person if the problem persists. Sadly, I'm not an admin, so I
>> > can't do anything.
>> >
>> >
>> > Please, fix this so we can move on.
>> >
>>
>> I wish it were as simple as just banning him!
>> Sadly banning John from this mailing list alone does not solve the
>> problems he creates.
>>
>>
> Well, there's not much more we can do?
>
>
>> He actively contacts a large number of artists 'privately' and asks them
>> to take part in the existing contests, presenting himself as the
>> representative of the Ubuntu artwork community , and grabs their
>> interest.
>> Until this part everything is fantastic, but beyond this is where things
>> go completely wrong. He misdirects them to his private groups claiming
>> those to be the place to participate.
>> Why I never understood, but in his own words relying to the previous
>> thread: " I set up an environment which would protect their
>> contributions from the harsh criticism often found on this list. " !!!?
>>
>> IMO, he is acting like a Nigerian spam scammer, just robbing people of
>> their hard work.
>>
>> I'm not sure where/how this behavior can be stopped.
>>
>>
> You can't prevent people from creating private groups. The only thing we
> can do is to improve our communication skills and keep people informed.
>
> I think this is a clear example of what happens when you don't have
> appointed leaders or official communication channels and that is -IMO- our
> main problem. Not John, or Joseph, or Francesco. We need leadership and
> direction.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Vish
>>
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Hey guys

     Bad taste.. wrong timing...or just plain being an ass... the links
offered by jbaer came at  an inappropriate time.
Let the judging of the included wallpapers finish..then do what you like...
but official stuff needs to have a single place for submissions.

    I have really never heard any "harsh" criticisms of work.. if they are
bad pieces  and saying "these are bad"  is harsh then please more harshness
:)
 Quite frankly I can go to  gnome-look.org and download wallpapers without
worries, or create my own, so I am not clear on the "explanation" given by
him.

   The private emails, which initially tried to  resolve this issue,  were a
great idea,,, it failed,, I dont think private conversations are needed any
longer.

  Also... people...please remember that NO ONE on the community art team is
going to have final say for ANY content that makes it into Ubuntu,,, that is
strictly Canonical's decision...but the opportunity , this judging is giving
the community, is one step closer to the community art team becoming a
formidable force in making final decisions of Ubuntu's content. However,
with this "major" glitch in the process, we have taken several steps
backwards, perhaps more!
   Imagine the disappointment and frustration that is going to arise from
those that submitted work to a "false"  site in hopes of their pieces being
included in Ubuntu release once they find out ... all too late... that they
have been mislead !

    We all need to do our part in trying to talk with jbaer, other than
those that already have, to help him understand that his behavior is not
team oriented and a destructive path which only leads to people leaving the
group. We should also try to contact everyone that has submitted work to his
links, so they know their work will NOT be considered.

    I personally want to know why this decision... why these misleading
links ,, What the hell was he thinking!

     Events like this, which compound the existing issues the group has,,
only pushes away any possibility of real recognition of the community art
team by canonical!

"Banning"  him will only exacerbate the   situation.

      welcomed or not...those are my thoughts on the issue.


coz
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