[ubuntu-art] Dealing with issues and seeking advice

[Leandro Gómez]

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 1:00 AM, Vishnoo <vish at ubuntu.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> Thorsten's recent mail "Goodbye", has generated some response and there
> has been reference to issues and seeking advice from Jono/Ivanka.
>
> Highlighting the relevant replies:
>
> On Thu, 2011-02-17 at 18:40 +0100, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
> > Our combined inability or unwillingness to deal with repeated
> > misrepresentations and incredible ignorance from one member pisses me
> > off to no end and spoils the last bit of fun.
>
> On Thu, 2011-02-17 at 13:41 -0500, Martin Owens wrote:>
> > I understand, I've reduced my participation because of the same member.
> > This team isn't worth being involved with any more because it's a team
> > that only exists to serve one member; a member who will distort, lie and
> > outright misrepresent in order to bully the consensus so things are done
> > his way.
>
> To me, it is pretty clear what Martin and Thorsten refer to.
>
> On Thu, 2011-02-17 at 13:43 -0600, Leandro Gómez wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Сергей <shnatsel at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On the other hand, the issues are pointed out, so now we can work on
> solving them. After reading Martin's message I think we shall ask Ivanka or
> even Jono Bacon for advice. We just can't let the team fall apart!
> >
> > Yes, it's definitely time to do something. I'm +1 on seeking advice from
> Ivanka and Jono.
> >
>
> On Thu, 2011-02-17 at 18:08 -0500, Saleel Velankar wrote:
> > Thorwil,
> > I too have been dialing back my participation on the list for the very
> same reasons you state.
>
>
> @Сергей, Leandro Gómez, Saleel Velankar:
>  can you clearly state what issue has been troubling you?
>
>
Indecision, lack of identity as a team/community, no goals/objectives
whatsover, no discussion on the list on important issues (something that may
suggest that this is a rather autocratic community), no clear rules for
contributing (plus rules that changes all the time).

In the end, the main problem is that there's a total absence of leadership.



> We first need to identify the issue to fix the situation.
> We need to state clearly what our problem is, before we seek advice from
> Jono/Ivanka.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Vish
>
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