[ubuntu-art] .doc, .xls, etc icons in Humanity Update

[François Degrave]

Kenneth Wimer a écrit :
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> On Wednesday 17 February 2010 06:17:12 pm Vishnoo wrote:
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> > On Wed, 2010-02-17 at 17:44 +0100, François Degrave wrote:
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> > > Vishnoo a écrit :
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> > > > On Wed, 2010-02-17 at 17:18 +0100, François Degrave wrote:
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> > > >> On Wed, 2010-02-17 at 17:04 +0100, François Degrave wrote:
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> > > >>>> On Wednesday 17 February 2010 07:38:23 am Merk wrote:
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> > > >>>>>> I'm not asking why the OS X was directly copied instead of 
> either
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> > > >>>>>> Windows one. I'm asking why any existing Word icon was 
> copied at
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> > > >>>>>> all.
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> > > >>>>>
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> > > >>>>> It is a mimetype and as such needs to visually represent a 
> certain
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> > > >>>>> type of file. It goes without saying that when everyone 
> associates
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> > > >>>>> a certain look/letter/number with something they don't 
> search for
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> > > >>>>> other visual metaphors. People expect certain things to look
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> > > >>>>> certain ways ;)
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> > > >>>>>
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> > > >>>>> --
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> > > >>>>> Ken
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> > > >>>>
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> > > >>>> Ok but it feels uncomfortable
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> > > >>>
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> > > >>> Thats really awesome. :)
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> > > >>>
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> > > >>> Then using those files types should be reduced rather than
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> > > >>> complaining about the icon ;)
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> > > >>
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> > > >> Those filetypes are supported by OOo. No need to associate them to
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> > > >> icons referencing to Ms applications not supported under Linux.
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> > > >
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> > > > The icon is used only when someone is saving the file to be MS 
> office
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> > > > complaint.
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> > > > Why cant we stop using that format , rather than nit-pick over 
> what one
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> > > > has just chosen to continue to support?
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> > > >
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> > > >> As far as I
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> > > >> know, there is no reference to Adobe in the pdf files icons.
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> > > >
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> > > > I'd suggest you check again ;)
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> > >
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> > > Ok well, you are right. And that is basically... lame. Evince is the
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> > > default PDF reader, why should the icon be related to Adobe?
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> >
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> > There is a difference between PDF and Adobe / Evince. :)
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> >
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> > PDF is an _open_ Portable Document Format. and the logo isnt even been
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> > used in full. ;)
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> >
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> > Adobe is a company with several apps and "Reader" , "Acrobat" is the pdf
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> > reader and editor respectively. Note the adobe logo isnt used. Their
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> > logo is different.
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> >
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> > Evince is an app too and not a format ...
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> >
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> > > Even under
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> > > MacOSX the pdf files icons have no reference to the Adobe brand,
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> >
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> I think this is (mainly) due to the differences that Apple and Adobe 
> have had. In the past I have had problems using Adobe's PDF logo in 
> another icon set I worked on. They contacted us and told us to change 
> it. It is a slippery slope, you want to make it recognizable but yet 
> different enough to avoid legal problems.
>
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Icon_Design has some valuable 
> info, specifically http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/MimeType_Icons
>
> --
>
> Ken
>
I'd rather think this is because Adobe has nothing to do with pdf 
anymore; I still think that no reference to an app should appear in a 
file icon if this app is not installed and meant to deal with this kind 
of files. I truly think that a file icon containing a "Adobe" logo means 
to the user: if I open this, it will be launched in Adobe Reader.