[ubuntu-art] .doc, .xls, etc icons in Humanity Update

François Degrave fdegrave at gmail.com
Wed Feb 17 21:44:30 GMT 2010


>> On Wed, 2010-02-17 at 17:44 +0100, François Degrave wrote:
>> > Vishnoo a écrit :
>> > > On Wed, 2010-02-17 at 17:18 +0100, François Degrave wrote:
>> > >  
>> > >> On Wed, 2010-02-17 at 17:04 +0100, François Degrave wrote:
>> > >>    
>> > >>>> On Wednesday 17 February 2010 07:38:23 am Merk wrote:
>> > >>>>    
>> > >>>>        
>> > >>>>>> I'm not asking why the OS X was directly copied instead of 
>> either Windows
>> > >>>>>> one.  I'm asking why any existing Word icon was copied at all.
>> > >>>>>>    
>> > >>>>>>        
>> > >>>>>>            
>> > >>>>> It is a mimetype and as such needs to visually represent a 
>> certain type of
>> > >>>>> file. It goes without saying that when everyone associates a 
>> certain
>> > >>>>> look/letter/number with something they don't search for other 
>> visual
>> > >>>>> metaphors. People expect certain things to look certain ways ;)
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> --
>> > >>>>> Ken
>> > >>>>>      
>> > >>>>>          
>> > >>>> Ok but it feels uncomfortable
>> > >>>>    
>> > >>>>        
>> > >>> Thats really awesome. :)
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Then using those files types should be reduced rather than 
>> complaining
>> > >>> about the icon ;)
>> > >>>  
>> > >>>      
>> > >> Those filetypes are supported by OOo. No need to associate them 
>> to icons
>> > >> referencing to Ms applications not supported under Linux.
>> > >>    
>> > >
>> > > The icon is used only when someone is saving the file to be MS office
>> > > complaint.
>> > > Why cant we stop using that format , rather than nit-pick over 
>> what one
>> > > has just chosen to continue to support?
>> > >
>> > >  
>> > >>  As far as I
>> > >> know, there is no reference to Adobe in the pdf files icons.
>> > >>
>> > >>    
>> > >
>> > > I'd suggest you check again ;)
>> > >  
>> > Ok well, you are right. And that is basically... lame. Evince is the
>> > default PDF reader, why should the icon be related to Adobe?
>>
>> There is a difference between PDF and Adobe / Evince.   :)
>>
>> PDF is an _open_ Portable Document Format. and the logo isnt even been
>> used in full. ;)
>>
>> Adobe is a company with several apps and "Reader" , "Acrobat" is the pdf
>> reader and editor respectively. Note the adobe logo isnt used. Their
>> logo is different.
>>
>> Evince is an app too and not a format ...
> 
> Ok sorry obviously you widely misunderstood my point, maybe I was not 
> clear enough in my previous mail. Of course, the icon for the pdf 
> *filetype* is a reference to adobe; it is red/white with a big A in it 
> -- see attached. That is not acceptable (nor is it to put a "ms word" or 
> "ms powerpoint" logo in a *filetype* icon). The only thing the user has 
> to know is that it is a pdf file, period. In MacOsX, the icon is like 
> that (ok that's a .ps here, but it's the same for .pdf): 
> http://www.entropy.ch/software/macosx/docs/openoffice-mac/temp-ps-file.png
> Do you see a reference to Adobe Reader? No of course, because it is not 
> the default reader. Putting a reference to Adobe makes the user think it 
> will open with Adobe when double-clicking on the file.
> 
> The problem is the same for the psd file icon (attached): why putting a 
> Photoshop logo? The user only has to know it is an image, with the psd 
> extension. The photoshop logo is a nonsense here.
> 
> (You can try asking the evince developers if they think it is a good 
> idea to have icons for *pdf filetype* referencing to Adobe by default in 
> Ubuntu, I'm pretty sure what the answer will be. Same with OpenOffice 
> developers and doc, xls and ppt files icons.)
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> François

In short there shouldn't be in ANY icon of ANY filetype whatsoever that 
carries a reference to an *app which is not installed on the system*.


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