[ubuntu-art] Gettin' our @$$3$ in gear. or, a team restructuring.

[Ben Crisford]

>Right, there is a new moderated email list waiting to be used. Once we know exactly what and how we want to use it, we can.

I hope by moderated anyone can join, but is moderated?

Because the whole philosophy of ubuntu is freedom, and the community running it to as much of an extent as they can.

If not everyone can join then it in my opinion that is breaking the ubuntu promise...

I'm not in favour of this at all (as you can tell from my emails) but if it goes ahead I want it to be fair.  So I hope by:
>Right, there is a new moderated email list waiting to be used. Once we know exactly what and how we want to use it, we can.
You mean that it will be run like the development list?

Regards,
Ben




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From: Kenneth Wimer <kwwii at ubuntu.com>
To: ubuntu-art at lists.ubuntu.com
Sent: Monday, 20 April, 2009 13:25:06
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Gettin' our @$$3$ in gear. or, a team restructuring.

On Sunday 19 April 2009 18:52:47 Cory K. wrote:
> Apart from the title this email aims to take a no-holds-barred look at
> who we are and how we are put together.
>
> I have been looking at ways to give this team more structure and noticed
> something we lack in concrete leadership or anyone with any authority to
> enact change. Nobody with definitive word. We generally throw around
> loose ideas, someone edits the wiki and it looks official. 'Till, the
> next guy comes along. God. The wiki must have gon through some major
> shuffle every release.
>
> So I propose:
>
> 1. Clearing out the current LP art team and starting from zero. Closing
> it and making it a moderated team.
>
>     The Launchpad team means and does nothing. I really don't see the
>     need for a open team. Karma? No. I want to give it meaning. Being on
>     this team will mean your a trusted member and you have demonstrated
>     some ability/aptitude worthy of meaningful contribution to the team.
>     Which is how a good many of the Ubuntu teams work. Weather it be
>     actual art, packaging, documentation or credited art/design
>     knowledge (you know what you're talking about basically). Acceptance
>     on to the team will be voted upon by the Art council.
>
>     This would also be the bug contact for any packaged efforts in the
>     repos.

This is exactly how Fedora manages the artwork community, you have to submit something first for approval. This might seem harsh but I am guessing that the bar is pretty low. 

Artwork tends to be something that everyone has an opinion on and many people who have nothing to do with the design itself like to offer their opinions. Mainly, these +1/-1 emails are a waste of time because it is a limited amount of responses and those responding are mostly already fans of ubuntu so no statistical info can be derived from it.

However, I do think that people need a place to start, find info, discuss, etc. How do we fill this gap?

> 2. The current mailing list will be a discussion list and the new list
> (already waiting in the wings) be for LP team members only.
>
>     This would mostly be a name change. Everyone on the "ubuntu-art"
>     list would stay as-is the list would just rename to
>     "ubuntu-art-discuss". The new list would be "ubuntu-art-devel".
>     /Maybe/ the need to have "community" put in there somewhere. Up for
>     debate. And the latter list like I said would be for approved
>     members of the LP team.

Right, there is a new moderated email list waiting to be used. Once we know exactly what and how we want to use it, we can.

The original idea was to create a moderated list in which anyone who had submitted artwork of a certain quality, helped with the wiki to a certain degree, helped packaging and/or with other technical or bug fixing issues, etc. Essentially I saw it as a place for people to avoid the chatter and get more work done. This seems pretty close to what you are suggesting, or?

> 3. Formation of a 5-person (or so) art council to be made up of
> currently trusted members.
>
>     Pretty much self-explanatory.. I would propose: (and this is just off
>     the top of my head. don't feel slighted if I don't list you)
>
>         * Kenneth Wimer - Our Canonical contact and generally smart dude.
>         * Thorsten Wilms - Great command of design theory and good
>           documentation skills.
>         * Jonathan Austin - Great artist. (if he's up to it)
>
>         (just a quick list. I'm sure there's more)
>
>
> So this is what I feel is needed for us to really take control of the
> team and give it focus. Right now, we're just too loose a bunch to
> really be effective.
>
> Discuss.

I do want to see things change, but I want to 1,000% certain that we are doing the right thing before we change *anything*.

--
Kenneth


      
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