[ubuntu-art] What is the art team?

Ken Vermette vermette at gmail.com
Fri Sep 12 04:48:36 BST 2008

On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 9:04 PM, Michael Stephenson <
mickstephenson at googlemail.com> wrote:

> 2008/9/12 Vadim Peretokin <vperetokin at gmail.com>
>> Please do not straw man me, I subscribe to other mailing lists, non of
>>> them ubuntu and non are censored. I am not advocating that the mailing list
>>> should change, just that team should not be synonymous with the mailing
>>> list.
>> Well, then, I resign from this conversation, because I see absolutely zero
>> point or helpfulness in doing that. Nor how are you going to accomplish that
>> - kick out all non-artists or something? Heh.
>> --
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>> ubuntu-art at lists.ubuntu.com
>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
> It is an art mailing list, what is important is the outcome. Someone could
> conceivably create an svg icon in gedit, does that make them less of an
> artist than someone who made it in inkscape? No, your argument is another
> straw man. The helpfulness is that in every other project the mailing list
> doesn't constitute a team, and I don't see any reason that the art team
> should be any different, it is a meritocracy after all.
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The focus of this list is getting off-rails and argumentative;

Michael, I agree with some of the points you're making, as well as points
Vadim made. Nobody is really wrong, just in the extremes.

Nobody likes to look like an idiot, but I'll proceed to look like an idiot,
to push ahead a point: When I first started on this list, I joined with the
goal of making the default theme. And now that I know more of how everything
is Managed, I know now that I'm not going to do it. But I still try to
anyway. Do I look like an idiot yet?

"The goal of the "Artwork Team" is to produce artwork for the community side
of Ubuntu. Mostly, this means the look of the actual distro itself, not
promotional or marketing materials. We hope to produce artwork stunning
enough that upon first glance, people want to know what Ubuntu is and where
to get it." (team wiki)

People on this mailing list tend to have a burn-out when they realize that
the above quote is a very political quote. This mailing list isn't getting
"backstage" with Ubuntu, but it's still official. More or less this mailing
list is a community art portal. Canonical is neither obligated nor
guaranteed to pull work from the community, but it can if it should decide
so. They can hire a third party to make the default theme if that's the

This is why I continue to act like an idiot. There might not be a default
theme from the list at the end of the day; But it is well worth
participating and influencing the direction. The default wallpaper came from
this list and the wiki, Breathe icons started here, and countless other
details. Consider the huge accomplishment knowing hundreds of thousands,
even millions of people might boot up to even just a 32x32 icon you made;
and that will let you sleep very well knowing that many people are using
something that much better.

-Ken Vermette
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