[ubuntu-art] New Wave

[François Degrave]

Anton Kerezov a écrit :
> В 12:01 +0200 на 07.05.2008 (ср), François Degrave написа:
>   
>> I tried your theme today. It is great! However, I have some suggestions. 
>> In http://img154.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=58872_NewWave_suggestions_122_1120lo.jpg
>>  , I modified the main things I noticed; I don't know if it is technically possible to implement!
>>
>> 1) The gradient of the windows bar looks quite strange, because it is 
>> applied only in the inferior half of the bar (the menubar), not on the 
>> total width. Would it be possible to make it like on the image?
>>     
> Probably. 
> I think you don't imagined what I have. Here is my concept for widows:
>
> http://img15.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=65723_lAYERS_122_730lo.jpg
>
> 1. Wndows contents
> 2. Menu and titlebar behind
> 3. Background below all
>
> So if we make the entire area with gradient this feeling (for me) will
> disappear. :(
>   
Ok, I did not see it this way, and I'm still not sure I can :-D   
I see the window bar less flat, more rounded and over the rest of the 
window -- that makes sense since menus pop up over everything. That's a 
difference of view, I think we should ask others to be sure we make the 
right choice...

>> 2) The font with a shadow in the bar looks very outdated. I suggest we 
>> use a font without a shadow. The one you see in this image ("Totem Video 
>> Player") is Free Sans, without any transformation.
>>     
>
> Well I havent yet thought of fonts. If you have any idea of what may be
> good for title (and available in many languages) just give it to me and
> I will put it there.
>
>   
Did you try with FreeSans in size 11 (btw, is it available in many 
alphabets?). And is it possible to remove the ugly shadow behind it?

>> 4) The icons for closing, minimize, etc. are not bad, but I don't like 
>> the one at the left (in Metacity, this one is the icon of the 
>> application used. We should keep this).
>>     
>
> You are right. I will make it.
>
>   
>> The ones at the right are nice but we should -- maybe, not sure -- apply to them a light gradient, to 
>> make them really "part" of the bar. You can also try other icons (I put 
>> an example of a simple cross).
>>     
>
> Will think for that later. Lets make the engine and the other parts work
> together first.
>   
Ok, go on.
>
>   
>> 5) Could it be possible to make the down corners as round as the top 
>> ones? Also, could you let me see how it looks without the thin dark gray 
>> line of the bottom?
>>     
>
> The reason of this gray line is that at 1px the window cannot be resized
> downwards. So I made the bottom border 4px as 3 of them gray to match
> the titlebar. There is workaround to make them like the bg but the
> borderline should become darker even on unfocused windows to hide a bug
> in emerald. I like the old version because it is more stylish.
>
> But here we go:
> http://img225.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=65740_NoGreyline_122_529lo.jpg
>   
Ok, maybe it is possible to make the 4px bar the same color than the 
rest of the window -- this, we would have both the windows in one piece 
*and* the possibility to resize downwards.
>   
>> 6) Still the thing about not active windows... Too bad we cannot make 
>> the top bar/menu bar really flat, the whole window in the same piece. 
>> Inactive windows of the current default theme of Ubuntu look a bit like 
>> that.
>>     
>
> I know what you have in mind but it can't be done.
>   
Too bad... Do you think it will be possible in the engine? I hope so, 
that's something that could look really nice --  independent drop shadow 
settings for active and inactive windows also, btw.
>
>   
>> 7) Don't know if it is possible but it would be great if we could also 
>> apply a really light gradient on the entire light gray window, like in 
>> the initial mockup.
>>     
>
> It is probably possible but then my concept (as I showed in 1.)) will be
> lost.
>   
Ok... If that's really easy to do, could you please just try it? As you 
wish...

>   
>> 8) In the bar -- both windows bar and task bar (particularly the 
>> taskbar, in fact) --, I'd like to see a light (not too light, though) 
>> gray internal border. Here is what I mean: 
>>     
> http://img202.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=59378_NewWaveDetail_122_241lo.jpg
>   
>> But that's really a detail, no? :-)
>>     
>
> Taskbar:
> Right now this is not possible (widgets overlap the line) but we can
> possibly implement it in the engine.
> Titlebar:
> If we want that menu to be dark too there is no way of doing this now,
> thus the rest depends on the engine. In it these effects can be done (at
> least I think so).
I'll be patient! In any case, I think you're doing a great job. Carry 
on, I'm sure you could reach a real killer-theme.

Cheers,

François