[ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk

Sumit Agarwal sumit.chandra.agarwal at gmail.com
Fri Mar 21 18:43:47 GMT 2008

For basic interface issues I strongly believe we should not rely on  
graphic/processing-intense features (which is part of why I think the  
drop shadows should also not be relied upon). Ubuntu needs to maintain  
identical usability on powerful or legacy systems, with the addition  
that on a powerful system there is essentially a 'make pretty' button  
(which there is!).

That said, I find myself stunned by how responsive Mac OS 10.4 is on a  
Pentium M 1.4Ghz machine with absolutely no graphic acceleration (just  
make sure v-sync is disabled!).

To summarize: the borders need to be sufficient to distinguish one  
window from another (otherwise the white space of one document may  
bleed into an underlying white window), but preferably the borders  
should not be any larger than required for this (again, drop shadows  
essentially negate this need, or replace this need). If it were my  
call, I'd ask for 1-pixel borders and a forced resize grip in the  
bottom-right corner of every window. This, along with gripable title- 
bars, I think would be a good solution, but every taste differs and it  
should be noted that the Vista team, with its broad mainstream target,  
seemed to think huge bloated borders were best.

I think Vista's large borders were just included to show off  
Aeroglass, not for functionality or usability. However, they keep  
those huge ugly borders even when Aero is switched off or unavailable.


On Mar 21, 2008, at 11:00 AM, xl cheese wrote:

> There was a bug opened a while back about it being hard to resize  
> the window as it currently is design.  There was a suggestion to  
> make a transparent border that was thicker so it would be easier.  I  
> think that bug was closed and labeled not a bug.
> With the new metacity supporting transparancy I wonder it it would  
> be possible to create a metacity with a thicker edge that was fully  
> transparent?
> > Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:46:03 -0400
> > From: coryisatm at ubuntu.com
> > To: ubuntu-art at lists.ubuntu.com
> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
> >
> > Sumit Agarwal wrote:
> > > I fully agree. I like the OS X border-less style, but of course  
> that
> > > necessitates a compositing engine + drop shadows.
> > >
> > > I think a very minimal window border would go a long way to
> > > professionalizing and de-cartooning the GNOME desktop. As I see  
> it right
> > > now, the wide borders reflect the very annoying hard-outlined  
> > > style icons. This is a trend that seems to be self-perpetuating  
> for no
> > > good reason (look at the icon sheets for Firefox 3. See the  
> Linux set?
> > > Why are we making new icons that look like they're stuck in  
> 1998?).
> > >
> > > -Sumit
> >
> > Issue with this is you lose the ability to resize the windows  
> properly.
> > A less than 3px border is very hard to grab and 0px means only being
> > able to grab the corners.
> >
> > -Cory K.
> >
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