[ubuntu-art] gtk theme

Wed Mar 5 12:52:03 GMT 2008

Hi folks!

Because my modem-driver is broken (never play around with
startup-scripts;-)) I wasn't able to read the mails.
I'll do it later, because I'm sitting in an internet cafe and I'm a
little bit short in time.

I'm sorry for my bad and short post. I'll post more later!

I've looked into the xl_cheese-/clearlooks-engine and changed some
points.
I could go on like this fixing the points written before.

At first, there was the problem that windows without a toolbar looked
ugly, because the color of the menubar was not the same as the windows
bg-color.
That's changed now: The menubar is colored like the background of the
window and the gradient of the toolbar is changed a little bit to fit to
that change...

The first point is the "unity of the menubaritem and the menu itself". I
looked into the code of the eXperience-engine and hacked a little bit in
clearlooks.
That should work now to, even if the menu is placed higher than the
menubar (Then the menubaritem-widget is turned "upside down").
Compiz/Emerald is still a problem...

Here's a little screenshot:
http://img248.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bildschirmfoto1su9.png
Later I'll upload the engine, but I've to clean up the code before (This
was my first contact to C;-)).

cheers stein

Am Mittwoch, den 05.03.2008, 12:13 +0100 schrieb Andrea Cimitan:

> Il giorno mer, 05/03/2008 alle 11.35 +0100, Kenneth Wimer ha scritto:
> > On Tuesday 04 March 2008 16:22:09 Andrea Cimitan wrote:
> > > You cannot rename human theme from ubuntulooks to murrine/clearlooks and
> > > blame about those gtk-engines.
> > 
> > the idea was not to simply rename anything. The gtkrc's we put in are just for 
> > testing and are in no way final. I never said I knew how to hack on gtkrc 
> > files ;-) The notes I wrote below are just the reults of looking at the 
> > clearlooks and murrine themes and trying to decide where each has a 
> > weekness/strength in relation to ubuntulooks
> Before writing a Gtkrc, there must be at least *an idea* of what is the
> style of an engine.
> Clearlooks and Murrine are completely different, and they CAN'T have the
> same colors (as it seems from those screenshots).
> > 
> > > A theme should be written from scratch with an engine in mind, these are
> > > probably the weird themes I have seen in years :)
> > > Even ubuntulooks, which is one of the less-liked gtk-engine, seems a way
> > > better than both clearlooks and murrine.
> > 
> > So you are saying that ubuntulooks is better than both clearlooks and murrine? 
> > I do agree that writing something from scratch is the better option, but I am 
> > not a developer :D
> > 
> No, ubuntulooks is absolutely the last engine, in terms of liking and
> stability, bugs, security. But with those weird gtkrcs, it looks better.
> Murrine in the svn is much more stable than the 0.53.1 release, was
> rewritten from scratch, and support the ability to change gradients and
> a lot of things directly in the gtkrc.
> Also adding custom widgets should be much more simpler.
> > > I really hope these and derivates will NEVER be part of ubuntu.
> > 
> > No worries, they probably won't be...at least not in this form.
> > 
> > > If you want those engines, you should tweak the color palette, with
> > > shadings and some hue changes. Or stick to ubuntulooks, which uses
> > > colors in a *fake* way (I mean that it does what it wants, bg[SELECTED]
> > > is used for the prelight, for example...).
> > 
> > This is something very interesting to me but way out of my scope. I would need 
> > to understand what is "good" and what is "bad" in gtkrc as I am used to just 
> > editing the thing until it looks like I want it to.
> Clearlooks loves bg[selected] with saturation < 45/100 ad value <
> 86/100.
> Murrine should look great with a lot of colorschemes (because of the
> glossiness), but you must take a look at the contrast (see the horrible
> scrollbar in Human murrine)
> > 
> > > If you want great themes, maybe following Tangerine's palette (much more
> > > adaptable to a gtk theme), I have few great ones.
> > 
> > I would love to see anything you have. For Hardy we will stick with the same 
> > main desktop colors as we always have used, it being the last of the cycle 
> > and all.
> Just for a hint, Mirco Muller is using a Murrine theme which I gave him
> a year ago. With a matching wallpaper too.
> > 
> > Thanks for the information, I hope we can discuss this more in the future.
> > 
> > --
> > Ken
> > 
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Il giorno lun, 03/03/2008 alle 12.29 +0100, Kenneth Wimer ha scritto:
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I guess that everyone noticed the change in gtk theme (we are using
> > > > murrine at the moment). I also included a clearlooks theme as well and
> > > > we'll test that in a couple of days). Both themes definitely need
> > > > improvement if they are going to replace Ubuntu Looks which, although it
> > > > does have minor bugs, has a definte look and is quite well polished. With
> > > > an eye to the future, here is a list of +'s and -'s for each theme. In
> > > > many cases the -'s can be easily solved ...feel free to help :-)
> > > >
> > > >   Human Ubuntu Looks (#1):
> > > >    - lines between menu bar, toolbars and windows are bad; but we don't
> > > >      have to get rid of them just yet
> > > >    + we like the obviously ticked checkboxes and radio buttons
> > > >    + and that the tick from the checkbox is larger than the box
> > > >    - toggle button doesn't share the obviousness
> > > >    + liked the markers in the progress bars
> > > >    + liked the inset tray look of sliders
> > > >    + liked the filled insides of sliders
> > > >    + liked the prelight colour of scrollbars
> > > >    + liked tab colours and no gradient
> > > >    + selected/active light orange bg (menu's, etc) color is perfect
> > > >
> > > >    Human Clearlooks (#2):
> > > >    - menubar different colour to everything else
> > > >    - gradient buttons instead of glossy
> > > >    - no prelight of scrollbars
> > > >    - no colour inside sliders
> > > >    - checkboxes not obviously checked
> > > >    + but toggle buttons are much more obvious
> > > >    - don't like tab gradients
> > > >    + but colour is ok
> > > >    - progress bars look like tanks, no markers
> > > >
> > > >    Human Murrine (#3):
> > > >    - lines between menu bar and toolbars, and toolbars and rest of
> > > >      window; not urgent to remove
> > > >    ? menu bar is very strange
> > > >    + but the menus themselves look great with the gutter
> > > >    - quite square in shape, rounded is more pleasing to the eye
> > > >    - progress bars are tanks, no markers, and not inset
> > > >    - sliders also not inset
> > > >    + but filled
> > > >    + obviously checked
> > > >    - but white
> > > >    - toggle button isn't obvious at all, quite nasty in fact
> > > >    + tabs have no gradient and gutter colours
> > > >    - no scrollbar prelight
> > > >    - entire scrollbar coloured
> > 
> 
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