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Thu Jun 12 23:09:36 BST 2008

told &quot;it&#39;ll never happen&quot; but my experience has shown that sometimes that is<br>
simply how it is. There are some lengths you can go to to change things and<br>
sometimes the best ideas are the ones that nobody has thought of before and<br>
are easily reailzable but more often than not, people think up stuff that<br>
might look awesome on a screenshot and very well might be the &quot;next big<br>
thing&quot; but without a team of developers *and* upstream support it&#39;ll never<br>
happen. Let&#39;s not forget that this is the art list and not necessarily the UI<br>
list.</blockquote><div><br>I never said &quot;it will never happen&quot;, I&#39;ve just said that when you work on something you must do something that starts from a real/actual work.<br>Otherwise it is just junk, like hundreds of *gnome 3.0* mockups/topaz I&#39;ve seen on the web in these years. No one will be used to develop gnome 3.0.<br>
<br>One thing is *ideas*, one thing is something that is completely redesigning the whole UI toolkit and applications. Also because it&#39;s not just *design* but it implies usability: is your idea usable or it is just cool? Designers/themers must know the HIG before drawing their mockups.<br>
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If you ask me, we should work at getting the most out of what is there first,<br>
which would build trust in the team, which would lead to more people helping,<br>
etc. There is a way to get this all done, no matter how far fetched it may<br>
seem but the crazier the idea, the more work it is and the longer it will<br>
take. Let&#39;s get some things straight first and work in an orderly manner to<br>
really improve things.</blockquote><div><br><br>Yeah, should be great to have more guys to help, but the problem is... who :)<br>Who will have decisional power in the community? <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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&gt; Even though at the same time it is the right place to propose your work, so<br>
&gt; if you have time and you have something original in your mind -you should<br>
&gt; really- post it here (why not contribute if you have a great idea? why<br>
&gt; don&#39;t share it with the developers?).<br>
&gt; Also, as said by kenneth, ten thousands of mockups full of transparency and<br>
&gt; mac-like nautilus are completely useless.<br>
&gt; From my point of view, one thing that could be done to have a higher<br>
&gt; quality community contribution is<br>
&gt; 1) don&#39;t threat the mailing list as a chat<br>
&gt; 2) use it to ask help, not to ask opinions (hey do you like my<br>
&gt; fancy-new-ultra theme?)<br>
&gt; 3) merge guys, teams, then let&#39;s order the work in the wiki, doing real<br>
&gt; stuff and not mockups<br>
</div>Indeed the mailing list is becoming a problem for those who really work on<br>
specific issues. I&#39;ll be announcing some new stuff soon, mainly a -dev list<br>
which will reduce the noise level for those who contribute actively. More on<br>
this soon.<br>
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