[ubuntu-art] next meeting

[Webmaster, Jhnet.co.uk]

Sure I see what you are saying, I am no professional so I dont expect things
I say to be the best available advice, however this happens to be the way I
quite like to use my notification area (I always thought of it as a
"background programs" area, one of the many disadvantages of having learned
things without any formal instruction is that some assumptions can be made
badly... Either way, I'm not offended, I am infact quite happy to see
someone has taken the time to try and think through my ideas. Anyhow this is
why ubuntu is designed by a community, not me on my own!

Anyhow best wishes

Jonathan

On 09/02/2008, Álvaro Medina Ballester <xlasttrainhomex at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 2008/2/9, Webmaster, Jhnet.co.uk <mail at jhnet.co.uk>:
> >
> > "It also encourages an idea of keeping processes running even when
> > windows are closed, which is really the only feature necessary to be as
> > "intutive" as the OSX dock."
> >
> > This is a feature that I know some people find valuable (especially for
> > things like media players, downloads and what-not but for every day use (and
> > more relevantly for users who don't really understand whats going on -
> > i.e. they are just pressing buttons that just so happen to make their
> > computer print letters) and adding this particular feature will lead to
> > confusion.
>
>
>
> Sorry, I don't want to be offensive but... Are you from the past?
> I mean, keeping open apps in system tray? Ubuntu really needs to back to
> 90's gui's? Have you ever used Windows?
>
> Keeping open apps in the system tray (with that do you mean notification
> area, top panel right, really?) is one of the _worst_ desktop metaphors.
> Notification area is... notification area! Why mixing open apps with
> notification icons like clock, wifi, volume...? And then you say that we
> should not lead users (new users) to confusion.
>
> I think that this ideas comes from a very _very_ strong Windows culture.
> And Ubuntu is not an should not be a clon of Windows XP (OS X clon either).
> If Windows or Mac does something well, we can discuss it and if it's a good
> idea we can implement it. But we don't have to copy something because new
> users would feel familiar with Ubuntu desktop, that would be a big mistake.
>
> Taking back the discussion. 6 or 7 years ago I was a convinced Windows
> 98/XP user. I loved Winamp, I loved Winamp icon in the tray bar. Nowadays, a
> lot of Windows applications put their icon in the system tray. Nowadays I've
> studied computer science and gui design in my career. One of the big
> mistakes of user interfaces is mixing things that are completely not
> related. Notification is not related with open apps.
>
> What Dylan McCall was trying to say is that in OS X there is a tree
> structure in the gui design. Root node is the application and then each
> application has several childrens (windows) and each window can have another
> children (floating window). In my opinion this is the correct way to
> represent open apps. Why? because the app "pipe" is:
>
> Processes -> Windows -> Secondary windows
>
>
> This pipe design delivers a good design that solves several gui problems.
> First problem solved is that window selector like Windows bar is no longer
> needed. Instead, this model has app selector, wich is very useful if some
> apps have several windows (think in The Gimp at this moment). Second problem
> is that having app selector instead window selector is better if you have a
> lot (6 or more) windows opened. It's even easier to distinguish what do you
> want to select because you have to look directly for the application, not to
> all the windows, and you have less items to look for so you can search it
> quickly. Third problem solved is that now app selector and app launcher can
> be merged so many space can be saved.
> Sorry for my english and sorry if you felt attacked, that was not my
> intention. I just want people to break their Windows thinking and start
> believeing that maybe users would need a very short period of adaptation to
> Ubuntu's gui. And if that period is a little longer but then becomes more
> useful that would be the right way.
>
> This discussion is _very_ interesting, please keep posting ideas.
>
>
> Cheers.
>
>
>
> --
> Álvaro.
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