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[Piotr Zaryk]

Hello,

I only wanted to suggest you to look at this:
http://architectfantasy.com/?p=1
http://architectfantasy.com/?p=25

I think that you should disscuss it, too.

2008/2/9, Dylan McCall <dylanmccall at gmail.com>:
>
> (Should have changed topic title when we had the chance...)
>
> A little applet I have been working on (very slowly) is designed to
> separate the idea of a window and the process that creates it, as the two
> concepts should be. It is effectively a fancy window switcher, but the magic
> is with an idea that each window is grouped with its parent process. This
> means we can get the one (and only) intuitive behaviour that people see with
> MacOS's unified menu bar (where Preferences, Quit, etc. are all under a menu
> for the *program*). It also encourages an idea of keeping processes
> running even when windows are closed, which is really the only feature
> necessary to be as "intutive" as the OSX dock.
>
> Launchers, in this case, are irrelevent -- especially when we consider the
> very stable nature of the ideal Linux system, which certainly does not
> necessitate restarting the computer very often. The idea is that processes
> can keep running quietly, providing services (for example fancy d-bus
> stuff!) without intruding, and without their presence being invisible to the
> user. In this way, one *needn't *navigate the menu to open Epiphany the
> hundredth time in a session, because the browser provides some little
> callbacks for its process icon in the new application list applet as one of
> its functions not tied to windows. (One callback being to the left click
> function, which triggers it to open a new window!).
>
>
> Bye,
> --Dylan McCall
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2008 at 11:45 AM, Álvaro Medina Ballester <
> xlasttrainhomex at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thinking about the idea of merging window selector and app launcher...
> > imagine that theoric bar (let's call it uBar), you have firefox, evolution,
> > mplayer and vlc running. Firefox is your most used browser, evolution _is
> > not_ your most used mail client and vlc is your most used video player. If
> > you click on browser, mail or video section, that bar _should not_ open
> > another window, should execute Exposé (on Mac OS X, I think it's window
> > selector on compiz-fusion) but just showing windows of the category you've
> > clicked on.
> >
> > So we have one click app launcher and one click window selector. And you
> > don't have to look in a lot of windows because you show windows depending on
> > the category. I think that this would solve that problems with simplicity in
> > a user-friendly intuitive way and we can make it eye candy too!
> >
> > 2008/2/8, Álvaro Medina Ballester <xlasttrainhomex at gmail.com>:
> >
> > > Hi everybody!
> > >
> > > I was wondering how could be that app launcher and this is my point of
> > > view:
> > >
> > > First of all, I think that having a KDE/Windows menu is unusable. Why?
> > > you need several clicks to open recent apps so if you use an aplication
> > > frequently it slows your workflow. Mac OS X bar is a good approach, but it
> > > still can be optimized. How? instead of having icons with apps we can have
> > > sections (browsers, file managers, media players...) and one icon
> > > representing each section. One click in that icon (for example, internet
> > > browsers) would open the most used browser and holding click into that
> > > section would show something like Leopard stacks with all the browsers. Then
> > > if you release the mouse button over any browser it should be opened.
> > >
> > > I'm sure that this idea can be improved, but what do you think about
> > > it? it think that it would provide a great way to open/browse your
> > > applications.
> > >
> > > Cheers.
> > >
> > > 2008/2/8, Andrew Laignel <a.laignel at ukdotcafe.com>:
> > > >
> > > > Sumit Chandra Agarwal wrote:
> > > > > I do like this idea very much, but I think there would be a lot of
> > > > > resistance to it as I think people like having their desktop as a
> > > > junk
> > > > > store.
> > > > > Or maybe they're just too used to the idea.
> > > > > But it gets a thumbs-up from me! Its mildly annoying to me that
> > > > > Firefox/etc don't use the home folder or home/downloads as the
> > > > default
> > > > > save to.
> > > > >
> > > > If you think about it files should go in /home/ and nowhere else.
> > > > Storing them on the desktop is about as sensible as storing them in
> > > > the
> > > > system tray.  It's only the colossal weight of history behind the
> > > > whole
> > > > 'save to your desktop' thing.  It just means you have more places to
> > > > check when looking for things.
> > > >
> > > > A solution may be to treat the desktop as /home/ - so it is the same
> > > > place - only by default do not show any icons or folders.  Clicking
> > > > the
> > > > Home Folder Icon will display in the gap to the RHS a box with the
> > > > files/folders that is navigable.  If it loses focus, or you click
> > > > the
> > > > icon again, it would disappear.  Dropping files on the desktop would
> > > > copy them to /home/
> > > >
> > > > While on the subject someone mentioned splitting files and folders
> > > > distinctly, IE put the rows of folders at the top of the window, a
> > > > small
> > > > gap, then the files.  This would help people differentiate between
> > > > whats
> > > > in a folder, and other folders.
> > > >
> > > > Webmaster, Jhnet.co.uk <http://jhnet.co.uk/> wrote:
> > > > > The proposition of a new menu is a good idea however I do not like
> > > > the
> > > > > menus that people are coming out with that work like the
> > > > > SuSE/KDE4/Vista menus - how is it possibly a good idea to 1) Have
> > > > a
> > > > > programs list that *SCROLLS*, 2) Have all the programs at the top
> > > > of
> > > > > the menu (when you open the menu by clicking something underneath
> > > > it).
> > > > I think the main menu bar needs to go at the bottom, otherwise it
> > > > makes
> > > > it harder to deal with the full screen windows.  I don't think
> > > > inversely
> > > > sorting it is a good idea either so that little extra mouse movement
> > > > I
> > > > think may be unavoidable.  :)
> > > > > Sure we need a better system but whatever is invented should not
> > > > be a
> > > > > traditional pop up menu. What would probably be a very good idea
> > > > is a
> > > > > task bar widget that displays your most frequently used/last used
> > > > > programs as shortcut icons next to the traditional menus. This
> > > > means
> > > > > that it is accessible to newcomers because they don't need to
> > > > actively
> > > > > do something to put the icons there, adds the functionality of a
> > > > > recently used list (which KDE has had for eons), but most
> > > > importantly
> > > > > it gives *single click* access to programs!
> > > > That may work.  Firefox + Thunderbird are 'pinned' - maybe pinned
> > > > software should display as icons on the quicklaunch - so anything
> > > > you
> > > > use regularly = 1 click.  Say the top 5 items on the recent list
> > > > display
> > > > as icons in the quicklaunch.  This may confuse people as they would
> > > > change without user intervention so maybe pinned only is best?
> > > >
> > > > Travis Watkins wrote:
> > > > > Actually, the desktop effectively does not exist exactly because
> > > > it is
> > > > > covered almost all the time. This is probably why people don't
> > > > worry
> > > > > about using it as a junk store, they never see it unless they're
> > > > > diving in there to get something anyway. Kind of like the junk
> > > > drawer
> > > > > on your real desk. :)
> > > > >
> > > > It's more like leaving junk on your desk when you should put it in
> > > > your
> > > > drawer, to the point your desk just becomes another storage area
> > > > (bad)
> > > > instead of a useful place for doing tasks (good).  Can't find you
> > > > phone
> > > > because of all the crap on your desk?  It's the same thing.
> > > >
> > > > My point is that the desktop should be used more as a form of UI,
> > > > not as
> > > > yet another place to store files. By mixing app launchers, shortcuts
> > > > and
> > > > files on the desktop you confuse people about what does
> > > > what.  Generally
> > > > if someone has a desktop covered with crap its because they don't
> > > > understand the computer well enough to know that they should keep it
> > > > in
> > > > /home/.  Forcing good practice isn't really a bad idea.
> > > >
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Regards,
Zaryk
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